i've had it my whole life, even having a knock about on a Monday with different age groups, I tell them to keep the ball on the deck, pass it short, even sometimes if you don't need to ,keep the ball moving and move into space and play the simple pass. We score some wonderful goals...then the next week it reverts back to the normal hoofing, long balls which never come off, and we have to do it all over again.
Its the dads on the touchline screaming at the kids to get stuck in and those who take their kids to play rugby on Sundays.
I still rarely see teams at this level trying to play football on the deck. Those that do nearly always win. You would have thought the coaches would see that.
I like the ball into my feet, nice and quick, on the floor, maybe a yard or two infront of me, get my head up and decide what im going to do...
yet half my game is running in behind chasing balls ill never reach because im "quick"...
I coached for 8 years at my local club. The team I coached were by far the best footballing side in the league for nearly every single season we played in it. I think we only won the title twice in 8 seasons though.
Why? Because between ages of 8 and 14......all our main opposition (title rival) did was have a lightening fast kid, who was shiiiiit hot too to be fair to him, upfront to chase long punts and more often than not he would score because he was so much faster, stronger and better than everyone else. The rest of their team was average at best. All they did was launched long balls all game.
Eventually though it doesn't work. Between 14 and 16 yrs, my lads ran rings around them and they still had that same striker.
Stretford I was that kid untill about 15
Had to take a step back and get on the ball deeper as I got older and lost that pace
That's my issue here. These coaches aren't preparing the boys properly. It might work in the short term, but at this level it should be about enjoyment and learning. Not winning at all costs.
I coached for 8 years at my local club. The team I coached were by far the best footballing side in the league for nearly every single season we played in it. I think we only won the title twice in 8 seasons though
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Sounds like you were a crap coach to be fair.
I've got a mate that has has badges and he coaches local kids team. He is a class coach and they pass the ball so well. They are light-years ahead of the other teams in their league and totally batter them. It's been going on for 4 seasons now as they move up through the age groups and the other managers still have their lads playing hoof ball. You'd think the penny would drop with them.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I've got a mate that has has badges and he coaches local kids team. He is a class coach and they pass the ball so well. They are light-years ahead of the other teams in their league and totally batter them. It's been going on for 4 seasons now as they move up through the age groups and the other managers still have their lads playing hoof ball. You'd think the penny would drop with them.
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This is what I don't get. How can these coaches not see it?
I actually have an assistant coach that contradicts what i say once the game starts - there may be trouble ahead!! LOL!! I encourage the boys to pass and move; to never be frightened to play a pass, and I re-assure them that if they make a mistake and the pass doesn't come off, then no-one will shout and criticize as thats the way i want them to play. I have seen my side play beautiful football (not many can play that way at Under 12's) - but then this dinosaur will bark - 'get rid of it' to our defenders at the merest pressure (and sometimes no pressure!!) -
what the hell are we trying to teach them if that's the way we are going to go??!! I have to be honest here, i get far more pleasure watching our side play good football, with the ball on the floor, thank winning matches by hoofing the ball as far as we can in teh hope that 11/12 year olds will miss their headers so we can get in and score!!
comment by Patriarch (U11015)
posted 11 minutes ago
I coached for 8 years at my local club. The team I coached were by far the best footballing side in the league for nearly every single season we played in it. I think we only won the title twice in 8 seasons though
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Sounds like you were a crap coach to be fair.
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Strange,I see alot of youth football now and again I see alot of football played on the deck.I rarely ever see this hoofball from the local junior sides.
Sounds like you were a crap coach to be fair.
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Why because I taught the lads to play football the correct way and not launch ball? I can't take all the credit either as I ran the team with my best mate who is now a coach at City actually.
You clearly have no understaning of youth football because what I witnessed happens all over the country. The best teams aren't the ones winning the trophies always. They often have a freakishly good player that nobody can handle and their manager encourages punts down field.
Like I said, when the lads starting filling out and developing into men, the advantage was smaller and we battered them every game. Beat them in a semi final 5-1 at age of 15.
Proud that I encouraged short one two touch football. Sadly at ages of 8 - 13/14 it doesn't work as well and can be punished.
I had no interest in launchball though and wouldn't have given up my time to do that.
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
Just got back. Terrible game. I feel sorry for the boys, I really do.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 minutes ago
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
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Football was a bit different in the 1930's, to be fair.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 minutes ago
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
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Football was a bit different in the 1930's, to be fair.
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I've done a bit of coaching and there is A LOT of ego in grass roots level football. Some coaches think they're mini-Mourinho's or pint-sized Pep's.
I also worked with a coach, who is now coaching in New York, full-time who got the kids to stand in line and just shoot at the keeper, that means that only one kid is participating and the other 10 were standing there doing nothing.
Or he would play "elimination" games, where they would have to go and sit down if they missed the target or their ball was kicked out of the grid.
So if that game went on for 20 minutes, and they were eliminated after 1 minute, they spent 19 minutes sitting down watching, 40 if they played it twice.
Participation is key in 2015, all the kids involved in the session all the time, not sitting out or standing watching, that's 1970's stuff.
I could write thousands of words about my experiences in grass-roots football.
I've lived and coached in the U.S. For the Chicago Fire juniors for a number of years now - worrying that even here too everything is long ball and win at all costs.
I coach U10s and U17's, and encourage to play the ball out of the back. If we concede a goal who cares? Kids are so scared to make mistakes so it's a hoof forward which drives me insane
how do you teach hoof ball on a junior sized pitch... 6 a side?
U10's play up a year at U11 so we play 9v9 here - the field is pretty big, but teams who have kids with a good leg to blast it from all angles into your box typically win games
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 hours, 11 minutes ago
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
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part of the problem for uk football.
Seem to get these big kids who look like 40 yet have a severe lack of skill and footballing brain
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posted on 19/8/15
i've had it my whole life, even having a knock about on a Monday with different age groups, I tell them to keep the ball on the deck, pass it short, even sometimes if you don't need to ,keep the ball moving and move into space and play the simple pass. We score some wonderful goals...then the next week it reverts back to the normal hoofing, long balls which never come off, and we have to do it all over again.
posted on 19/8/15
Its the dads on the touchline screaming at the kids to get stuck in and those who take their kids to play rugby on Sundays.
posted on 19/8/15
I still rarely see teams at this level trying to play football on the deck. Those that do nearly always win. You would have thought the coaches would see that.
posted on 19/8/15
I like the ball into my feet, nice and quick, on the floor, maybe a yard or two infront of me, get my head up and decide what im going to do...
yet half my game is running in behind chasing balls ill never reach because im "quick"...
posted on 19/8/15
I coached for 8 years at my local club. The team I coached were by far the best footballing side in the league for nearly every single season we played in it. I think we only won the title twice in 8 seasons though.
Why? Because between ages of 8 and 14......all our main opposition (title rival) did was have a lightening fast kid, who was shiiiiit hot too to be fair to him, upfront to chase long punts and more often than not he would score because he was so much faster, stronger and better than everyone else. The rest of their team was average at best. All they did was launched long balls all game.
Eventually though it doesn't work. Between 14 and 16 yrs, my lads ran rings around them and they still had that same striker.
posted on 19/8/15
Stretford I was that kid untill about 15
Had to take a step back and get on the ball deeper as I got older and lost that pace
posted on 19/8/15
That's my issue here. These coaches aren't preparing the boys properly. It might work in the short term, but at this level it should be about enjoyment and learning. Not winning at all costs.
posted on 19/8/15
I coached for 8 years at my local club. The team I coached were by far the best footballing side in the league for nearly every single season we played in it. I think we only won the title twice in 8 seasons though
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Sounds like you were a crap coach to be fair.
posted on 19/8/15
I've got a mate that has has badges and he coaches local kids team. He is a class coach and they pass the ball so well. They are light-years ahead of the other teams in their league and totally batter them. It's been going on for 4 seasons now as they move up through the age groups and the other managers still have their lads playing hoof ball. You'd think the penny would drop with them.
posted on 19/8/15
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I've got a mate that has has badges and he coaches local kids team. He is a class coach and they pass the ball so well. They are light-years ahead of the other teams in their league and totally batter them. It's been going on for 4 seasons now as they move up through the age groups and the other managers still have their lads playing hoof ball. You'd think the penny would drop with them.
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This is what I don't get. How can these coaches not see it?
posted on 19/8/15
I actually have an assistant coach that contradicts what i say once the game starts - there may be trouble ahead!! LOL!! I encourage the boys to pass and move; to never be frightened to play a pass, and I re-assure them that if they make a mistake and the pass doesn't come off, then no-one will shout and criticize as thats the way i want them to play. I have seen my side play beautiful football (not many can play that way at Under 12's) - but then this dinosaur will bark - 'get rid of it' to our defenders at the merest pressure (and sometimes no pressure!!) -
what the hell are we trying to teach them if that's the way we are going to go??!! I have to be honest here, i get far more pleasure watching our side play good football, with the ball on the floor, thank winning matches by hoofing the ball as far as we can in teh hope that 11/12 year olds will miss their headers so we can get in and score!!
posted on 19/8/15
comment by Patriarch (U11015)
posted 11 minutes ago
I coached for 8 years at my local club. The team I coached were by far the best footballing side in the league for nearly every single season we played in it. I think we only won the title twice in 8 seasons though
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Sounds like you were a crap coach to be fair.
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posted on 19/8/15
Strange,I see alot of youth football now and again I see alot of football played on the deck.I rarely ever see this hoofball from the local junior sides.
posted on 19/8/15
Sounds like you were a crap coach to be fair.
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Why because I taught the lads to play football the correct way and not launch ball? I can't take all the credit either as I ran the team with my best mate who is now a coach at City actually.
You clearly have no understaning of youth football because what I witnessed happens all over the country. The best teams aren't the ones winning the trophies always. They often have a freakishly good player that nobody can handle and their manager encourages punts down field.
Like I said, when the lads starting filling out and developing into men, the advantage was smaller and we battered them every game. Beat them in a semi final 5-1 at age of 15.
Proud that I encouraged short one two touch football. Sadly at ages of 8 - 13/14 it doesn't work as well and can be punished.
I had no interest in launchball though and wouldn't have given up my time to do that.
posted on 19/8/15
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
posted on 19/8/15
Just got back. Terrible game. I feel sorry for the boys, I really do.
posted on 19/8/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 minutes ago
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
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Football was a bit different in the 1930's, to be fair.
posted on 19/8/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 minutes ago
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
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Football was a bit different in the 1930's, to be fair.
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posted on 19/8/15
Dazza
Shut it.
posted on 19/8/15
posted on 19/8/15
I've done a bit of coaching and there is A LOT of ego in grass roots level football. Some coaches think they're mini-Mourinho's or pint-sized Pep's.
I also worked with a coach, who is now coaching in New York, full-time who got the kids to stand in line and just shoot at the keeper, that means that only one kid is participating and the other 10 were standing there doing nothing.
Or he would play "elimination" games, where they would have to go and sit down if they missed the target or their ball was kicked out of the grid.
So if that game went on for 20 minutes, and they were eliminated after 1 minute, they spent 19 minutes sitting down watching, 40 if they played it twice.
Participation is key in 2015, all the kids involved in the session all the time, not sitting out or standing watching, that's 1970's stuff.
I could write thousands of words about my experiences in grass-roots football.
posted on 20/8/15
I've lived and coached in the U.S. For the Chicago Fire juniors for a number of years now - worrying that even here too everything is long ball and win at all costs.
I coach U10s and U17's, and encourage to play the ball out of the back. If we concede a goal who cares? Kids are so scared to make mistakes so it's a hoof forward which drives me insane
posted on 20/8/15
how do you teach hoof ball on a junior sized pitch... 6 a side?
posted on 20/8/15
U10's play up a year at U11 so we play 9v9 here - the field is pretty big, but teams who have kids with a good leg to blast it from all angles into your box typically win games
posted on 20/8/15
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 hours, 11 minutes ago
My school PE master was a former Chelsea player and he played the big kids over the more skilful smaller ones.
He should have known better.
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part of the problem for uk football.
Seem to get these big kids who look like 40 yet have a severe lack of skill and footballing brain
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