That was a disgrace. Hamilton drove a perfect race but the disqualification wasn't debatable and the fact the FIA have decided to rewrite their own rules after the event is really poor
I accept their reasoning. Pirelli were present and fully supervised Mercedes during the preparation and fitting of the tyres and all was observed to be within the regs. The problem seems to be when the pressure reading took place.
Not a good situation for F1 but the right outcome imo.
Not imo. The readings on Rosberg's tyres weren't even close to what they should have been. The FAI witnessing them cheating doesn't make it any better. It's clear cut, it's measurable and its the wrong decision. Mercedes themselves seemed resigned to their fate
No evidence of cheating, the tyres were legal when fitted to the car, as observed by Pirelli.
Also the tyres had cooled before the low measurement was taken, lower than the temps on the Ferrari.
Mercedes were observed to have followed the rules and safety guidelines when preparing their tyres.
Fair verdict imo
That's not true at all. Even the official statement acknowledges that Mercedes did not adhere to the rules but we're let off because they didn't gain any apparent advantage. There's no debate about it. They did break the rules.
Not deliberately btw. Lewis and Mercedes were a class above everybody else as usual. But the illegality of their tyres is an acknowledged fact, not an opinion
What's not true?
I have stated fact, I hope, followed by my opinion.
Some people will not accept a simple explanation, the rules state that they have to be at a certain pressure when put on the car. They where so no rule has been broken
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comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 hours, 18 minutes ago
That's not true at all. Even the official statement acknowledges that Mercedes did not adhere to the rules but we're let off because they didn't gain any apparent advantage. There's no debate about it. They did break the rules.
Not deliberately btw. Lewis and Mercedes were a class above everybody else as usual. But the illegality of their tyres is an acknowledged fact, not an opinion
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Sorry, this is completely inaccurate. The tyres were the right pressures when fitted to the cars. This is clearly stated in the FIA statement. A Pirelli engineer was present and signed the tyres off.
So, they broke no rules. Why would they need to break the rules when they are so far ahead of everyone else?
Sid, Ferrari International Assistance had no choice in the matter as the evidence was there in black and white.
True m8.
Some of the rules do need looking at, the grid penalties for power unit changes are getting a bit silly
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 18 minutes ago
True m8.
Some of the rules do need looking at, the grid penalties for power unit changes are getting a bit silly
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It is completely farcical. What I do not understand is how Renault after impressive performances last year have got it so wrong with the power units this year
the whole thing was a farce ... firstly if you are gonna check this on grid then you must check all cars cannot penalise 1 when you dont know if they the only guilty party ... 2 pressures before the race is just stupid or on the grid they should be measured during the race.... its a safety reason therefore no point in measuring before the race ... no accidents occur then ... monitor thro them race thats when the y need to be at the operating pressures and temps.
"""I think that those who claim the FIA to be Ferrari International Assistance need to have a rethink after today's decision in favour of Hamilton.""
The September issue of Motor Sport carried a line on the cover, "Cheating at Ferrari, when the FIA turned a blind eye."
See the "Magic of Monza" cover, bottom left.
http://tinyurl.com/phw6hgw
I afraid one little event does not change years of history.
It seems the protocol for measuring was not set out formally.
Who knows, perhaps somebody from a rival team paid somebody to take the pressures at a "different" time at Mercedes to everybody else?
Check back to Monza 1976 and the anti-British practices there....
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posted on 6/9/15
That was a disgrace. Hamilton drove a perfect race but the disqualification wasn't debatable and the fact the FIA have decided to rewrite their own rules after the event is really poor
posted on 6/9/15
I accept their reasoning. Pirelli were present and fully supervised Mercedes during the preparation and fitting of the tyres and all was observed to be within the regs. The problem seems to be when the pressure reading took place.
Not a good situation for F1 but the right outcome imo.
posted on 6/9/15
Not imo. The readings on Rosberg's tyres weren't even close to what they should have been. The FAI witnessing them cheating doesn't make it any better. It's clear cut, it's measurable and its the wrong decision. Mercedes themselves seemed resigned to their fate
posted on 6/9/15
No evidence of cheating, the tyres were legal when fitted to the car, as observed by Pirelli.
Also the tyres had cooled before the low measurement was taken, lower than the temps on the Ferrari.
Mercedes were observed to have followed the rules and safety guidelines when preparing their tyres.
Fair verdict imo
posted on 6/9/15
That's not true at all. Even the official statement acknowledges that Mercedes did not adhere to the rules but we're let off because they didn't gain any apparent advantage. There's no debate about it. They did break the rules.
Not deliberately btw. Lewis and Mercedes were a class above everybody else as usual. But the illegality of their tyres is an acknowledged fact, not an opinion
posted on 6/9/15
What's not true?
I have stated fact, I hope, followed by my opinion.
posted on 6/9/15
Some people will not accept a simple explanation, the rules state that they have to be at a certain pressure when put on the car. They where so no rule has been broken
posted on 7/9/15
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posted on 7/9/15
comment by merrysupersteve (U1132)
posted 14 hours, 18 minutes ago
That's not true at all. Even the official statement acknowledges that Mercedes did not adhere to the rules but we're let off because they didn't gain any apparent advantage. There's no debate about it. They did break the rules.
Not deliberately btw. Lewis and Mercedes were a class above everybody else as usual. But the illegality of their tyres is an acknowledged fact, not an opinion
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Sorry, this is completely inaccurate. The tyres were the right pressures when fitted to the cars. This is clearly stated in the FIA statement. A Pirelli engineer was present and signed the tyres off.
So, they broke no rules. Why would they need to break the rules when they are so far ahead of everyone else?
posted on 7/9/15
Sid, Ferrari International Assistance had no choice in the matter as the evidence was there in black and white.
posted on 7/9/15
True m8.
Some of the rules do need looking at, the grid penalties for power unit changes are getting a bit silly
posted on 7/9/15
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 18 minutes ago
True m8.
Some of the rules do need looking at, the grid penalties for power unit changes are getting a bit silly
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It is completely farcical. What I do not understand is how Renault after impressive performances last year have got it so wrong with the power units this year
posted on 7/9/15
the whole thing was a farce ... firstly if you are gonna check this on grid then you must check all cars cannot penalise 1 when you dont know if they the only guilty party ... 2 pressures before the race is just stupid or on the grid they should be measured during the race.... its a safety reason therefore no point in measuring before the race ... no accidents occur then ... monitor thro them race thats when the y need to be at the operating pressures and temps.
posted on 8/9/15
"""I think that those who claim the FIA to be Ferrari International Assistance need to have a rethink after today's decision in favour of Hamilton.""
The September issue of Motor Sport carried a line on the cover, "Cheating at Ferrari, when the FIA turned a blind eye."
See the "Magic of Monza" cover, bottom left.
http://tinyurl.com/phw6hgw
I afraid one little event does not change years of history.
It seems the protocol for measuring was not set out formally.
Who knows, perhaps somebody from a rival team paid somebody to take the pressures at a "different" time at Mercedes to everybody else?
Check back to Monza 1976 and the anti-British practices there....
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