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Because all that is being done then is relying on chance.
Putting them in a group of their own ensures they are playing teams of a similar standard.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
Because all that is being done then is relying on chance.
Putting them in a group of their own ensures they are playing teams of a similar standard.
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Who goes into this group? Perhaps we should have qualifiers for that. Maybe if you're just outside the group you can throw a few games to scrape into it. What a ridiculous idea.
Ok really I'm gone. Need some sleep, some I'm fresh with more great ideas tomorrow.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yep playing Malta would be better for them then playing in the groups they do now. Something I proposed to begin with.
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Remove seedings and give them that chance then. The better teams already have advantage why give them more of an advantage?
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But how is it more of an advantage? There's a decent chance that Andorra could face a group with Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and England with no seedings.
In fact unless the very unlikely circumstance of all the crap teams miraculously appearing in one group then Andorra will be humbled anyway.
The lowest ranked sides in Europe.
It is simple. The teams who finish bottom.
Always basing it on performance. Never on reputation, population or any of these other accusations that keep coming up.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 seconds ago
It is simple. The teams who finish bottom.
Always basing it on performance. Never on reputation, population or any of these other accusations that keep coming up.
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Last game of the group bottom plays second bottom. How many own goals do you think there will be?
Ok stop it I'm going.
With all due respect a system with multi-millionaire footballers coming up against plumbers and street cleaners with no prior qualification required to get to that point is a broken system.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 seconds ago
It is simple. The teams who finish bottom.
Always basing it on performance. Never on reputation, population or any of these other accusations that keep coming up.
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Last game of the group bottom plays second bottom. How many own goals do you think there will be?
Ok stop it I'm going.
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Sorry, why would any nation want to drop down? That is like saying last day of PL and 18th v 17th, how many own goals???
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Using the world rankings would make more sense anyway.
Like the bottom five or six.
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comment by #4zA (U19575)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Using the world rankings would make more sense anyway.
Like the bottom five or six.
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the world rankings r BUMCUM
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They'd probably beat San Marino and Gibraltar as well.
When you see that Cyprus (ranked 46 and lowest of the pot 5 teams when the qualifiers were drawn) hammered Andorra 5-0 and 3-1 it highlights the massive gap between this group of teams at the very bottom.
Bottom of the group teams have won just 2. And that figure is boosted by the fact Serbia are only bottom because they had points deducted, otherwise it would be 1 win between them.
The fact that some call it arrogance to suggest that this isn't a fair system to these teams shows the ignorance of some. They are happy to see these minnows carry on as they are, mainly I suspect as it benefits their own national side.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_UEFA_Nations_League
Doesn't necessarily affect World Cup and Euro qualification, but it starts to sort out some of the issues discussed in this thread. Also gets rid of damned international friendlies.
Seems my link doesn't want to work, but yeh from 18-19, the European nations league will become a thing.
Don't they have pre-qualifying rounds in Asia, Oceania and Africa?
Why should it be any different in Europe?
The likes of Gibraltar, San Marino, Andorra, Faroe Islands, Lichtenstein, Luxemburg, Malta, Kazakhstan, Moldova are all gásh and would consider 5 points from 30 available a massive success. None of them have any intention of qualifying, they just want to embarrass themselves as little as possible.
Put them in groups against one another over the Summer when the Euros / World Cup is on and the winner/winners of pre-qualifying then earn the right to play against teams that can actually compete.
There is nothing 'arogant' about that whatsoever. Even in the FA Cup we have pre-qualifying, that's why pub teams like Havant & Waterlooville and Eastbourne Borough play against fellow pub teams to earn the right to play against football league clubs, and not just draw somebody like City and get spanked 14-0.
In Asia they certainly don't have pre-qualifying rounds where the haves are separated from the have nots. There was a 15-0 last week. Also a 10-0, a 9-0, an 8-0 and a 7-0. Oceania is far too small a region for there to be pre-qualifying rounds too to the best of my knowledge
Asia world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#AFC
Africa world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CAF
CONCACAF world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CONCACAF
Oceania world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#OFC
All of these have pre-qualifying rounds to qualify for the world cup. In fact South America and Europe are the only ones who don't have pre-qualifying. And we all know why South America don't have any.
There is no reason why UEFA shouldn't introduce pre-qualifiers for the pub teams that have no right to play with the big boys.
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comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 49 minutes ago
Asia world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#AFC
Africa world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CAF
CONCACAF world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CONCACAF
Oceania world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#OFC
All of these have pre-qualifying rounds to qualify for the world cup. In fact South America and Europe are the only ones who don't have pre-qualifying. And we all know why South America don't have any.
There is no reason why UEFA shouldn't introduce pre-qualifiers for the pub teams that have no right to play with the big boys.
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It's strange, UEFA have introduced pre-qualifying rounds for the Champions League, there's four of them before getting to the group stages.
The likes of B36 Tórshavn, Folgore and those legends of Gibraltarian football, Lincoln Red Imps all play each other before teams such as APOEL and Celtic get involved.
That seems sensible enough, but not for international football? I know they're trying to qualify for the actual tournament and not the qualifying stage but still.
But the issue is that the Asian world cup qualification still throws up far more one sided matches than the Europeans and on a far more regular basis. So surely they need to revisit their qualifying procedure, as it isn't working? Or maybe they don't and maybe people should just accept the qualification process for what it is. People would have called for my home country to be thrown into pre-qualifying a year and a half ago. Now we top our group
And the Champions League pre-qualifying is actually a bit of a joke. Due to the Champions of weak nations being kept separated from the likes of United and Valencia, you see Lazio get eliminated whilst the Kazakhstani champions qualify? There's such a thing as over dilution
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posted on 7/9/15
Because all that is being done then is relying on chance.
Putting them in a group of their own ensures they are playing teams of a similar standard.
posted on 7/9/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 8 seconds ago
Because all that is being done then is relying on chance.
Putting them in a group of their own ensures they are playing teams of a similar standard.
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Who goes into this group? Perhaps we should have qualifiers for that. Maybe if you're just outside the group you can throw a few games to scrape into it. What a ridiculous idea.
Ok really I'm gone. Need some sleep, some I'm fresh with more great ideas tomorrow.
posted on 7/9/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yep playing Malta would be better for them then playing in the groups they do now. Something I proposed to begin with.
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Remove seedings and give them that chance then. The better teams already have advantage why give them more of an advantage?
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But how is it more of an advantage? There's a decent chance that Andorra could face a group with Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and England with no seedings.
In fact unless the very unlikely circumstance of all the crap teams miraculously appearing in one group then Andorra will be humbled anyway.
posted on 7/9/15
The lowest ranked sides in Europe.
posted on 7/9/15
It is simple. The teams who finish bottom.
Always basing it on performance. Never on reputation, population or any of these other accusations that keep coming up.
posted on 7/9/15
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 seconds ago
It is simple. The teams who finish bottom.
Always basing it on performance. Never on reputation, population or any of these other accusations that keep coming up.
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Last game of the group bottom plays second bottom. How many own goals do you think there will be?
Ok stop it I'm going.
posted on 7/9/15
With all due respect a system with multi-millionaire footballers coming up against plumbers and street cleaners with no prior qualification required to get to that point is a broken system.
posted on 7/9/15
What?
posted on 7/9/15
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 seconds ago
It is simple. The teams who finish bottom.
Always basing it on performance. Never on reputation, population or any of these other accusations that keep coming up.
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Last game of the group bottom plays second bottom. How many own goals do you think there will be?
Ok stop it I'm going.
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Sorry, why would any nation want to drop down? That is like saying last day of PL and 18th v 17th, how many own goals???
posted on 7/9/15
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posted on 7/9/15
Using the world rankings would make more sense anyway.
Like the bottom five or six.
posted on 7/9/15
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posted on 7/9/15
comment by #4zA (U19575)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Using the world rankings would make more sense anyway.
Like the bottom five or six.
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the world rankings r BUMCUM
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They'd probably beat San Marino and Gibraltar as well.
posted on 8/9/15
When you see that Cyprus (ranked 46 and lowest of the pot 5 teams when the qualifiers were drawn) hammered Andorra 5-0 and 3-1 it highlights the massive gap between this group of teams at the very bottom.
Bottom of the group teams have won just 2. And that figure is boosted by the fact Serbia are only bottom because they had points deducted, otherwise it would be 1 win between them.
The fact that some call it arrogance to suggest that this isn't a fair system to these teams shows the ignorance of some. They are happy to see these minnows carry on as they are, mainly I suspect as it benefits their own national side.
posted on 8/9/15
Yeah but seedings.
posted on 8/9/15
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_UEFA_Nations_League
Doesn't necessarily affect World Cup and Euro qualification, but it starts to sort out some of the issues discussed in this thread. Also gets rid of damned international friendlies.
posted on 8/9/15
Seems my link doesn't want to work, but yeh from 18-19, the European nations league will become a thing.
posted on 8/9/15
Don't they have pre-qualifying rounds in Asia, Oceania and Africa?
Why should it be any different in Europe?
The likes of Gibraltar, San Marino, Andorra, Faroe Islands, Lichtenstein, Luxemburg, Malta, Kazakhstan, Moldova are all gásh and would consider 5 points from 30 available a massive success. None of them have any intention of qualifying, they just want to embarrass themselves as little as possible.
Put them in groups against one another over the Summer when the Euros / World Cup is on and the winner/winners of pre-qualifying then earn the right to play against teams that can actually compete.
There is nothing 'arogant' about that whatsoever. Even in the FA Cup we have pre-qualifying, that's why pub teams like Havant & Waterlooville and Eastbourne Borough play against fellow pub teams to earn the right to play against football league clubs, and not just draw somebody like City and get spanked 14-0.
posted on 8/9/15
In Asia they certainly don't have pre-qualifying rounds where the haves are separated from the have nots. There was a 15-0 last week. Also a 10-0, a 9-0, an 8-0 and a 7-0. Oceania is far too small a region for there to be pre-qualifying rounds too to the best of my knowledge
posted on 8/9/15
Asia world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#AFC
Africa world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CAF
CONCACAF world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CONCACAF
Oceania world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#OFC
All of these have pre-qualifying rounds to qualify for the world cup. In fact South America and Europe are the only ones who don't have pre-qualifying. And we all know why South America don't have any.
There is no reason why UEFA shouldn't introduce pre-qualifiers for the pub teams that have no right to play with the big boys.
posted on 8/9/15
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posted on 8/9/15
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 49 minutes ago
Asia world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#AFC
Africa world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CAF
CONCACAF world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#CONCACAF
Oceania world cup qualifiers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification#OFC
All of these have pre-qualifying rounds to qualify for the world cup. In fact South America and Europe are the only ones who don't have pre-qualifying. And we all know why South America don't have any.
There is no reason why UEFA shouldn't introduce pre-qualifiers for the pub teams that have no right to play with the big boys.
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It's strange, UEFA have introduced pre-qualifying rounds for the Champions League, there's four of them before getting to the group stages.
The likes of B36 Tórshavn, Folgore and those legends of Gibraltarian football, Lincoln Red Imps all play each other before teams such as APOEL and Celtic get involved.
That seems sensible enough, but not for international football? I know they're trying to qualify for the actual tournament and not the qualifying stage but still.
posted on 8/9/15
But the issue is that the Asian world cup qualification still throws up far more one sided matches than the Europeans and on a far more regular basis. So surely they need to revisit their qualifying procedure, as it isn't working? Or maybe they don't and maybe people should just accept the qualification process for what it is. People would have called for my home country to be thrown into pre-qualifying a year and a half ago. Now we top our group
posted on 8/9/15
And the Champions League pre-qualifying is actually a bit of a joke. Due to the Champions of weak nations being kept separated from the likes of United and Valencia, you see Lazio get eliminated whilst the Kazakhstani champions qualify? There's such a thing as over dilution
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