This article which offers a lengthy quote of dubious origin, offers no face to place the statement.Therefore treat this post with the disdain it deserves. Ignored. I only post to say so.
How many PL titles have we won without Jose though?
Just the one. Other supposedly top managers have tried and despite spending fortunes most have failed.
As a club we have almost no history of winning PL titles outside of Jose and I think that's what the vast majority of Chelsea fans appreciate and recognise, especially when they chant his name etc.
They won the cl and europa though? Arguably in times the club was at the most unstable or atleast the team was through loss of manager or w.e or disrupted. Ancelotti was a good manager too won the league scoring 100 plus goals in the process?
Mourinho is a top manager one of the best but not irreplacable, im certain there are a few managers out there that can do just as well or better then he has whilst doing it with a lot more style.
I think Chelsea should stick with him he deserves time to see if he can make it past 3 years or w.e, im sure he will get atleast the rest of this season but he deserves next too.
Was he the wrong one for the same team when it won the double a few months back.
I guess it's all about the values and principles you'd like to see your club attached to, but if there's one thing I detest about modern-day footy, it's the quick-fix approach to solving problems, which has diseased my own club for far too long now.
There's a much bigger picture than the latest string of results, the current season or even the past/coming two or three years.
Rightly or wrongly, when Mourinho was brought back, it was understood that he was considered the best bet for the long term. Relieving him of his duties might -or might not- bring a turnaround in your short-term fortunes, but imo the question fans should be posing is what sort of long-term future they want for the club.
If it's because you simply can't see him building the Chelsea you want for the longer run, then fair enough, but if not it would be preposterous to sack him based solely on the current season to date.
All that would do is help to perpetuate a cycle where you'll be asking the club to make a fresh start every time things aren't working out. Every single manager in the world is going to have spells where things don't work out.
If prior to the start of the season you thought Mourinho was the best chioce for CFC, then the only thing that makes sense is to weather the storm, see the season out, give him the chance to set things straight and prove that he is indeed what Chelsea need in the long term.
At worst, it could mean a couple of seasons of underachieving, which if we're honest will mean very little in the long run.
If Mourinho supposedly "won" us those titles then he is also responsible for when we play like cack. You can't have it both ways.
Praise the manager when it goes well but demonise the players when it goes badly.
In the last game, it definitely looked like the players were giving their all out there. What was clear however, is that we still have serious problems in attack where we look too static or don't get enough numbers forward quickly enough when we have the ball in the final third. These issues strike me as something the manager should be working on in the training ground so if the team are struggling, the blame should fall on the manager.
And to be honest, the fans constant singing of Mourinho is starting to get on my nerves too. Yes, he's the best manager in our history but it feels like we're getting dangerously close to making it seem as if he's bigger than the club itself. It's almost as if they'd rather see us get relelgated than sack Mourinho. The success of the club should always come first.
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 18 minutes ago
I guess it's all about the values and principles you'd like to see your club attached to, but if there's one thing I detest about modern-day footy, it's the quick-fix approach to solving problems, which has diseased my own club for far too long now.
There's a much bigger picture than the latest string of results, the current season or even the past/coming two or three years.
Rightly or wrongly, when Mourinho was brought back, it was understood that he was considered the best bet for the long term. Relieving him of his duties might -or might not- bring a turnaround in your short-term fortunes, but imo the question fans should be posing is what sort of long-term future they want for the club.
If it's because you simply can't see him building the Chelsea you want for the longer run, then fair enough, but if not it would be preposterous to sack him based solely on the current season to date.
All that would do is help to perpetuate a cycle where you'll be asking the club to make a fresh start every time things aren't working out. Every single manager in the world is going to have spells where things don't work out.
If prior to the start of the season you thought Mourinho was the best chioce for CFC, then the only thing that makes sense is to weather the storm, see the season out, give him the chance to set things straight and prove that he is indeed what Chelsea need in the long term.
At worst, it could mean a couple of seasons of underachieving, which if we're honest will mean very little in the long run.
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itsonlyagame you talk a lot of sense amigo ,I agree with you, but supporting los Merengues has given you a head start !.
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 43 minutes ago
I guess it's all about the values and principles you'd like to see your club attached to, but if there's one thing I detest about modern-day footy, it's the quick-fix approach to solving problems, which has diseased my own club for far too long now.
There's a much bigger picture than the latest string of results, the current season or even the past/coming two or three years.
Rightly or wrongly, when Mourinho was brought back, it was understood that he was considered the best bet for the long term. Relieving him of his duties might -or might not- bring a turnaround in your short-term fortunes, but imo the question fans should be posing is what sort of long-term future they want for the club.
If it's because you simply can't see him building the Chelsea you want for the longer run, then fair enough, but if not it would be preposterous to sack him based solely on the current season to date.
All that would do is help to perpetuate a cycle where you'll be asking the club to make a fresh start every time things aren't working out. Every single manager in the world is going to have spells where things don't work out.
If prior to the start of the season you thought Mourinho was the best chioce for CFC, then the only thing that makes sense is to weather the storm, see the season out, give him the chance to set things straight and prove that he is indeed what Chelsea need in the long term.
At worst, it could mean a couple of seasons of underachieving, which if we're honest will mean very little in the long run.
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I'd agree with this but then I'd also question what kind of stability fans think Mourinho will bring.
Does that stability include the playing of youth players?
Forming a definitive style of play?
Improving the clubs image?
Bringing the team prolonged success?
With Mourinho as our manager, you can't really answer any of these questions with much certainty. A lot of the belief we place in Mourinho is based on blind trust because he hasn't shown the propensity to do any of these things at any of his previous clubs.
What fans have to remember is that this is a much a new experience for us as it is for him. As such, it's not guaranteed to work out - regardless of how much we'd like it to...
And to be honest, the fans constant singing of Mourinho is starting to get on my nerves too. Yes, he's the best manager in our history but it feels like we're getting dangerously close to making it seem as if he's bigger than the club itself. It's almost as if they'd rather see us get relelgated than sack Mourinho. The success of the club should always come first.
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I think we are already there
If anyone's going to get us out of this mess it'll be Jose.
#prayforjose
I'd agree with this but then I'd also question what kind of stability fans think Mourinho will bring.
Does that stability include the playing of youth players?
Forming a definitive style of play?
Improving the clubs image?
Bringing the team prolonged success?
_______________
mini, these are all legitimate questions, my own opinion as to the answers are precisely the reason I never thought Mourinho would be the right fit for Madrid, but we're different clubs and identities, each with our own (often ridiculous, in our case) expectations. Our clubs are also set within very different footballing cultures. What might be right for us might not be for you, and vice versa, and I'm no one to say what is right for Chelsea.
That said, though, I'm not sure it's the right time to try to answer those questions, because the short term situation probably creates too much interference on the long-term vision.
As an aside, imo the 3 points were extremely flattering for Stoke yesterday. I thought you carved out enough chances to get something from the game, but it looks like the confidence issues are still there. The pressure is on the players big time too, and that can play a decisive part at key moments.
The situation is what it is, it doesn't really matter at this stage who's to blame. Mourinho just has to make sure they all row in the same direction and deal with anyone on board who doesn't feel up to it.
If anyone's going to get us out of this mess it'll be Jose
And the song is a good one easily heard at away venues and can be belted out with passion. It has become the Chelsea rallying cry . If our rivals don't like it all the more reason to bring it on. its our version of the scouse wokk along. And if we have celery to throw do that too.
Jose's dad is in Hospital .
Even Roman aint that Cruel
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 33 minutes ago
itsonlyagame you talk a lot of sense amigo ,I agree with you, but supporting los Merengues has given you a head start !.
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Indeed.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 hours, 54 minutes ago
How many PL titles have we won without Jose though?
Just the one. Other supposedly top managers have tried and despite spending fortunes most have failed.
As a club we have almost no history of winning PL titles outside of Jose and I think that's what the vast majority of Chelsea fans appreciate and recognise, especially when they chant his name etc.
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"despite spending fortunes"
Which other manager has been given the level of backing Mourinho has?
This is the right answer regarding Jose and Chelsea;
Based on purely footballing reasons he should say. Last year he won the league AND the cup, so this year he gets at minimum the full season. Any less is stupid. Address the situation as it is come seasons end. But by all means review each game as it happens and use all information to make a decision at the best time possible. To many though, this would be sometime around March as that is when serious plans have to be made for the summer dealings.
HOWEVER, Jose's behaviour has brought Chelsea into disrepute. He has acted terribly and his representation of Chelsea football club has been the worst in modern times. He's made Mario Balotelli's behavior seem like minorly bad behaviour, and Chelsea's reputation has now been difined by Jose's. In short, he's made himself (and been allowed to) bigger than the club he manages. Chelsea are now an add on to the Jose Mourinho show. The club have become secondary. This is not (or it absolutely should not be) OK for Chelsea FC and it's supporters.
Jose Mourinho has done more than enough for ANYONE else to be sacked from their respective managerial position. The reason for his behaviour is irrelevant.
He has not been sack purely based on the fact that he is Jose Mourinho
He has been disgracful putting it mildly, and Chelsea's board have allowed his to be for their own reasons.
Personally, I am a sort of football purist. I believe that the game should always come first and the clubs are bigger than any individual.
And becauseof this I truly believe that Chelsea football club deserve better than Jose Mourinho. He is not good for the game in this country.
Batman , one thing you should learn , is that we don't give credence to posters who have no profile !.
I wish the supporters would stop singing about Mourinho. It's almost cult-like. They don't sing about players, just the manager
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That would be because Jose's the only person under any real pressure. Will Abramovich sell our key players to make a statement? No!!! Would he sack Jose to make a statement? Historically speaking yes!!!
People are so damn selective with their opinions. If as a fan base we were against Jose, it would of course be proof we're nothing but glory hunters who callously want to usher are greatest ever manager out the door on a whim.
It's something I've commented on to. When Jose is here he starts to become the definition of Chelsea football club. We win and it's down to Mourinho's expertise, it's a 'Mourinho masterclass'. We lose and it must be everyone other than Mourinho's fault.
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posted on 8/11/15
This article which offers a lengthy quote of dubious origin, offers no face to place the statement.Therefore treat this post with the disdain it deserves. Ignored. I only post to say so.
posted on 8/11/15
How many PL titles have we won without Jose though?
Just the one. Other supposedly top managers have tried and despite spending fortunes most have failed.
As a club we have almost no history of winning PL titles outside of Jose and I think that's what the vast majority of Chelsea fans appreciate and recognise, especially when they chant his name etc.
posted on 8/11/15
They won the cl and europa though? Arguably in times the club was at the most unstable or atleast the team was through loss of manager or w.e or disrupted. Ancelotti was a good manager too won the league scoring 100 plus goals in the process?
Mourinho is a top manager one of the best but not irreplacable, im certain there are a few managers out there that can do just as well or better then he has whilst doing it with a lot more style.
I think Chelsea should stick with him he deserves time to see if he can make it past 3 years or w.e, im sure he will get atleast the rest of this season but he deserves next too.
posted on 8/11/15
Farticle
posted on 8/11/15
Was he the wrong one for the same team when it won the double a few months back.
posted on 8/11/15
I guess it's all about the values and principles you'd like to see your club attached to, but if there's one thing I detest about modern-day footy, it's the quick-fix approach to solving problems, which has diseased my own club for far too long now.
There's a much bigger picture than the latest string of results, the current season or even the past/coming two or three years.
Rightly or wrongly, when Mourinho was brought back, it was understood that he was considered the best bet for the long term. Relieving him of his duties might -or might not- bring a turnaround in your short-term fortunes, but imo the question fans should be posing is what sort of long-term future they want for the club.
If it's because you simply can't see him building the Chelsea you want for the longer run, then fair enough, but if not it would be preposterous to sack him based solely on the current season to date.
All that would do is help to perpetuate a cycle where you'll be asking the club to make a fresh start every time things aren't working out. Every single manager in the world is going to have spells where things don't work out.
If prior to the start of the season you thought Mourinho was the best chioce for CFC, then the only thing that makes sense is to weather the storm, see the season out, give him the chance to set things straight and prove that he is indeed what Chelsea need in the long term.
At worst, it could mean a couple of seasons of underachieving, which if we're honest will mean very little in the long run.
posted on 8/11/15
If Mourinho supposedly "won" us those titles then he is also responsible for when we play like cack. You can't have it both ways.
Praise the manager when it goes well but demonise the players when it goes badly.
In the last game, it definitely looked like the players were giving their all out there. What was clear however, is that we still have serious problems in attack where we look too static or don't get enough numbers forward quickly enough when we have the ball in the final third. These issues strike me as something the manager should be working on in the training ground so if the team are struggling, the blame should fall on the manager.
And to be honest, the fans constant singing of Mourinho is starting to get on my nerves too. Yes, he's the best manager in our history but it feels like we're getting dangerously close to making it seem as if he's bigger than the club itself. It's almost as if they'd rather see us get relelgated than sack Mourinho. The success of the club should always come first.
posted on 8/11/15
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 18 minutes ago
I guess it's all about the values and principles you'd like to see your club attached to, but if there's one thing I detest about modern-day footy, it's the quick-fix approach to solving problems, which has diseased my own club for far too long now.
There's a much bigger picture than the latest string of results, the current season or even the past/coming two or three years.
Rightly or wrongly, when Mourinho was brought back, it was understood that he was considered the best bet for the long term. Relieving him of his duties might -or might not- bring a turnaround in your short-term fortunes, but imo the question fans should be posing is what sort of long-term future they want for the club.
If it's because you simply can't see him building the Chelsea you want for the longer run, then fair enough, but if not it would be preposterous to sack him based solely on the current season to date.
All that would do is help to perpetuate a cycle where you'll be asking the club to make a fresh start every time things aren't working out. Every single manager in the world is going to have spells where things don't work out.
If prior to the start of the season you thought Mourinho was the best chioce for CFC, then the only thing that makes sense is to weather the storm, see the season out, give him the chance to set things straight and prove that he is indeed what Chelsea need in the long term.
At worst, it could mean a couple of seasons of underachieving, which if we're honest will mean very little in the long run.
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posted on 8/11/15
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posted on 8/11/15
itsonlyagame you talk a lot of sense amigo ,I agree with you, but supporting los Merengues has given you a head start !.
posted on 8/11/15
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 43 minutes ago
I guess it's all about the values and principles you'd like to see your club attached to, but if there's one thing I detest about modern-day footy, it's the quick-fix approach to solving problems, which has diseased my own club for far too long now.
There's a much bigger picture than the latest string of results, the current season or even the past/coming two or three years.
Rightly or wrongly, when Mourinho was brought back, it was understood that he was considered the best bet for the long term. Relieving him of his duties might -or might not- bring a turnaround in your short-term fortunes, but imo the question fans should be posing is what sort of long-term future they want for the club.
If it's because you simply can't see him building the Chelsea you want for the longer run, then fair enough, but if not it would be preposterous to sack him based solely on the current season to date.
All that would do is help to perpetuate a cycle where you'll be asking the club to make a fresh start every time things aren't working out. Every single manager in the world is going to have spells where things don't work out.
If prior to the start of the season you thought Mourinho was the best chioce for CFC, then the only thing that makes sense is to weather the storm, see the season out, give him the chance to set things straight and prove that he is indeed what Chelsea need in the long term.
At worst, it could mean a couple of seasons of underachieving, which if we're honest will mean very little in the long run.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd agree with this but then I'd also question what kind of stability fans think Mourinho will bring.
Does that stability include the playing of youth players?
Forming a definitive style of play?
Improving the clubs image?
Bringing the team prolonged success?
With Mourinho as our manager, you can't really answer any of these questions with much certainty. A lot of the belief we place in Mourinho is based on blind trust because he hasn't shown the propensity to do any of these things at any of his previous clubs.
What fans have to remember is that this is a much a new experience for us as it is for him. As such, it's not guaranteed to work out - regardless of how much we'd like it to...
posted on 8/11/15
And to be honest, the fans constant singing of Mourinho is starting to get on my nerves too. Yes, he's the best manager in our history but it feels like we're getting dangerously close to making it seem as if he's bigger than the club itself. It's almost as if they'd rather see us get relelgated than sack Mourinho. The success of the club should always come first.
---------------------------------
I think we are already there
posted on 8/11/15
If anyone's going to get us out of this mess it'll be Jose.
#prayforjose
posted on 8/11/15
I'd agree with this but then I'd also question what kind of stability fans think Mourinho will bring.
Does that stability include the playing of youth players?
Forming a definitive style of play?
Improving the clubs image?
Bringing the team prolonged success?
_______________
mini, these are all legitimate questions, my own opinion as to the answers are precisely the reason I never thought Mourinho would be the right fit for Madrid, but we're different clubs and identities, each with our own (often ridiculous, in our case) expectations. Our clubs are also set within very different footballing cultures. What might be right for us might not be for you, and vice versa, and I'm no one to say what is right for Chelsea.
That said, though, I'm not sure it's the right time to try to answer those questions, because the short term situation probably creates too much interference on the long-term vision.
As an aside, imo the 3 points were extremely flattering for Stoke yesterday. I thought you carved out enough chances to get something from the game, but it looks like the confidence issues are still there. The pressure is on the players big time too, and that can play a decisive part at key moments.
The situation is what it is, it doesn't really matter at this stage who's to blame. Mourinho just has to make sure they all row in the same direction and deal with anyone on board who doesn't feel up to it.
posted on 8/11/15
If anyone's going to get us out of this mess it'll be Jose
And the song is a good one easily heard at away venues and can be belted out with passion. It has become the Chelsea rallying cry . If our rivals don't like it all the more reason to bring it on. its our version of the scouse wokk along. And if we have celery to throw do that too.
posted on 8/11/15
Jose's dad is in Hospital .
Even Roman aint that Cruel
posted on 8/11/15
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 33 minutes ago
itsonlyagame you talk a lot of sense amigo ,I agree with you, but supporting los Merengues has given you a head start !.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed.
posted on 8/11/15
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 hours, 54 minutes ago
How many PL titles have we won without Jose though?
Just the one. Other supposedly top managers have tried and despite spending fortunes most have failed.
As a club we have almost no history of winning PL titles outside of Jose and I think that's what the vast majority of Chelsea fans appreciate and recognise, especially when they chant his name etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"despite spending fortunes"
Which other manager has been given the level of backing Mourinho has?
posted on 8/11/15
This is the right answer regarding Jose and Chelsea;
Based on purely footballing reasons he should say. Last year he won the league AND the cup, so this year he gets at minimum the full season. Any less is stupid. Address the situation as it is come seasons end. But by all means review each game as it happens and use all information to make a decision at the best time possible. To many though, this would be sometime around March as that is when serious plans have to be made for the summer dealings.
HOWEVER, Jose's behaviour has brought Chelsea into disrepute. He has acted terribly and his representation of Chelsea football club has been the worst in modern times. He's made Mario Balotelli's behavior seem like minorly bad behaviour, and Chelsea's reputation has now been difined by Jose's. In short, he's made himself (and been allowed to) bigger than the club he manages. Chelsea are now an add on to the Jose Mourinho show. The club have become secondary. This is not (or it absolutely should not be) OK for Chelsea FC and it's supporters.
Jose Mourinho has done more than enough for ANYONE else to be sacked from their respective managerial position. The reason for his behaviour is irrelevant.
He has not been sack purely based on the fact that he is Jose Mourinho
He has been disgracful putting it mildly, and Chelsea's board have allowed his to be for their own reasons.
Personally, I am a sort of football purist. I believe that the game should always come first and the clubs are bigger than any individual.
And becauseof this I truly believe that Chelsea football club deserve better than Jose Mourinho. He is not good for the game in this country.
posted on 8/11/15
Batman , one thing you should learn , is that we don't give credence to posters who have no profile !.
posted on 8/11/15
I wish the supporters would stop singing about Mourinho. It's almost cult-like. They don't sing about players, just the manager
--------------------------------------------------------
That would be because Jose's the only person under any real pressure. Will Abramovich sell our key players to make a statement? No!!! Would he sack Jose to make a statement? Historically speaking yes!!!
People are so damn selective with their opinions. If as a fan base we were against Jose, it would of course be proof we're nothing but glory hunters who callously want to usher are greatest ever manager out the door on a whim.
posted on 8/11/15
It's something I've commented on to. When Jose is here he starts to become the definition of Chelsea football club. We win and it's down to Mourinho's expertise, it's a 'Mourinho masterclass'. We lose and it must be everyone other than Mourinho's fault.
posted on 8/11/15
i do that with Bets
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