he's not that good anyway
I thought you were serious until I saw your username!
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Second half of the year, he seemed to find his feet and start doing well for Liverpool
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Kenny tactics changed his form.
Kenny Knows his strength and weakness...
He may be slightly better than Henderson who is still very young, but he's CERTAINLY NOT better than Lucas.
we have coady,hendo,spearing,shelvey to come through, so i think KD has the youth in mind here.
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According to Chelsea fans 0 Liverpool are a mid-table team, now here you are buying our mid-table players. Well said soccer>
Boy?Girl? illegal Alien? Donkey? Chimp? Goat? Hemroid? Crab? Dingo?
I still find it amusing how much better our players get 30 seconds after they're transferred.
We have:
Gerrard (who is miles better than Meireles)
Adam (different type of player and needed for Kenny's tactics)
Lucas (Best DM in premier league last season and our best player last season)
Henderson (Talented and young and will turn out to be very good)
Spearing (Lucas backup)
Shelvey (Young and talented. Kenny recommended him to Rafa).
According to Chelsea fans 0 Liverpool are a mid-table team, now here you are buying our mid-table players. Well said soccer>
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WELCOME TO CHELSEA RAUL MEIRELES
Honest Liverpool Five Times,
I disagree. I think Meireles not performing in the first half of the season was more down to the surreal, uncertain air about Liverpool at the time. Dalglish didn't need to be particularly well-acquainted with his strengths and weaknesses, he was always going to do well in a stable team.
On Lucas, I really don't rate him. He's good without being great, I think he fouls players more consistently than a player at this level should be.
redconn,
The verbal wage agreement dispute makes sense, and I didn't know he was returning from injury.
I don't buy Liverpool not being in the Champions' League as a reason, because they weren't in the Champions' League either when he joined. If he didn't mind joining a post-Rafa Liverpool with a lot of work to do, then I don't think the Champions' League would be a major stickling point in being part of a Liverpool side that has received a lot of investment.
"I still find it amusing how much better our players get 30 seconds after they're transferred."
Believe me, I've been there. In 2009, Ronaldo went from "over-rated, not in the same class as Kaka" to "by far the best player from Utd's squad".
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>>I don't buy Liverpool not being in the Champions' League as a reason
I think it's the biggest reason.
I reckon he joined thinking we'd bounce right back into the top4. We probably would have if those idiots hadn't brought Roy in. The league was rubbsih last year and 4th was easily achievable.
2 years out and more competition for top4....I would have left. Same thing with Torres.
I am sure Meireles will be a rip roaring success at Chelsea just like Benayoun and Torres are
Oh wait....
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this will be Torres first full season with Chelsea so don't worry
Lisandro (U8669)
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Even Spearing looked good in the second half of the season under Kenny.
And if you don't rate Lucas I don't see why I'm arguing with you. Was clearly our best player last season.
i was not a fan of lucas but last year kind of shut me up, he was the best DM in the league by a long shot. im glad we have him just hope he keeps it up.
fair play to him aswell he was bought as an attacking midfielder.
All bitterness aside I an very unhappy Raul has gone. Also in the manner he has gone. Chelsea sniff at him and like Torres he's jumped at the chance. He is a quality, technical player. Sure he lacks pace and tackle but he makes up for it with his passing, great link-up play, forward runs and goals. He was one of the first names I'd have in the squad. Oh well
redconn,
Really? Meireles thought Liverpool would bounce straight back into the back four? The manner in which Benitez's Liverpool had failed the previous year surely was a clear warning that the team had deep problems that required a lot of investment to solve. When things actually began to look up when Dalglish brought in some big money signings, surely he realised that this Liverpool squad is in much better condition than Benitez' outfit?
That said, if I were Meireles, I'd want to play for Chelsea too (assumiing I'd already severed any potential ties with Utd by joining Liverpool)!
Honest Liverpool Five Times,
"Even Spearing looked good in the second half of the season under Kenny. "
That's extremely optimistic. I think you've both under-rated your youngster and over-rated your manager. Not to mention the improvement was always going to be radical when Liverpool got their issues in check - it was literally that bad before the turn of the year.
"And if you don't rate Lucas I don't see why I'm arguing with you. Was clearly our best player last season."
Eh, because I have a different opinion to you? A debate is not suddenly over, closed and shut because you declare a player to be fantastic. He's solid, but nowhere near the likes of a fit and firing Essien or Toure.
>>surely he realised that this Liverpool squad is in much better condition than Benitez' outfit?
I wouldn't even remotely agree with that.
In Rafa's last season we were undone by a lack of depth combined with massive injury problems, not by the side needing an overhaul. A bit like Chelsea in the middle of last season when injuries to midfield exposed them horribly.
We should have walked top4 last season but Roy had other ideas.
If I was foreign and relatively new to the side I'd have walked away as well. If we don't get top 4 this year Raul would be well into his 30s before he saw the CL again. If ever. That's why Torres left as well.
The CL is 5x the trophy and comp than the prem is to foreigners. That's the only reason the best would stay at an English club.
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Well, Liverpool had sold arguably their best player and replaced him with somebody who barely featured that year. Coupled with the heavy reliance on Torres (Rafa's treatment of Robbie Keane baffled me - he did really well with your team when given a chance), this lack of squad depth you mention is the very reason Liverpool's collapse was inevitable - their progress from 08/09 was simply unsustainable, and collapsed when Liverpool received key injuries to Gerard and Torres (and others at various times). A squad that is crippled that easily is a recipe for disaster!
This is the clearest exposition of the problem: in 2008/09, Liverpool had a nucleus of top class players surrounded by players of lesser quality. When the star players were fit and firing, they were powerful, but when one of them leaves and another two become injured, then the replacements are well below the standard required at this level. There were too many squad players who weren't good enough to fill in for the injured players, and that led to a downward spiral of bad results and lost confidence. No top level squad is stable under such conditions.
That Liverpool squad needed investment, and it needed it fast, I think that was obvious to anyone who had witnessed Liverpool plummet. If Meireles really thought that that squad was going to magically put all their problems to rest, then he needs to sack his agent and get a new one! A string of squad player signings under Benitez that was continued under Hodgson contributed to last year's mess of mediocrity - granted, most managers would do a better job than Hodgson, but only because of the investment that Liverpool's owners (and Chelsea FC) would pump into the club; otherwise, an underbelly of problems rooted in the previous regime was only going to get worse.
It's interesting that you mention Chelsea, that's exactly what happened to them - they were an aging squad that desperately needed investment because the squad depth they had the previous season had vanished and not been replaced. It's one of the reasons I believe sacking Ancelotti was a mistake - he should have been given much more money to invest once Ballack, Belletti, Carvalho, etc, left, not in January when it was too late.
Bottom line - if Meireles and his agent didn't see this coming, they have to ask a few questions of themselves. As an adjoint, I'm very certain that Liverpool will take 4th place (much as it pains me to say it), so if getting Champions' League football one season early were that important, then I hope he's thought this through - moving to a new club has it's own risks.
That said, I'm not knocking the guy, I think he's made a good move - I just think he should have moved to Chelsea much sooner than this!
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posted on 1/9/11
he's not that good anyway
posted on 1/9/11
I thought you were serious until I saw your username!
posted on 1/9/11
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posted on 1/9/11
Second half of the year, he seemed to find his feet and start doing well for Liverpool
===============================
Kenny tactics changed his form.
Kenny Knows his strength and weakness...
He may be slightly better than Henderson who is still very young, but he's CERTAINLY NOT better than Lucas.
posted on 1/9/11
we have coady,hendo,spearing,shelvey to come through, so i think KD has the youth in mind here.
posted on 1/9/11
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posted on 1/9/11
According to Chelsea fans 0 Liverpool are a mid-table team, now here you are buying our mid-table players. Well said soccer>
Boy?Girl? illegal Alien? Donkey? Chimp? Goat? Hemroid? Crab? Dingo?
posted on 1/9/11
I still find it amusing how much better our players get 30 seconds after they're transferred.
posted on 1/9/11
We have:
Gerrard (who is miles better than Meireles)
Adam (different type of player and needed for Kenny's tactics)
Lucas (Best DM in premier league last season and our best player last season)
Henderson (Talented and young and will turn out to be very good)
Spearing (Lucas backup)
Shelvey (Young and talented. Kenny recommended him to Rafa).
posted on 1/9/11
According to Chelsea fans 0 Liverpool are a mid-table team, now here you are buying our mid-table players. Well said soccer>
___________________________________
truth hurt
WELCOME TO CHELSEA RAUL MEIRELES
posted on 1/9/11
Honest Liverpool Five Times,
I disagree. I think Meireles not performing in the first half of the season was more down to the surreal, uncertain air about Liverpool at the time. Dalglish didn't need to be particularly well-acquainted with his strengths and weaknesses, he was always going to do well in a stable team.
On Lucas, I really don't rate him. He's good without being great, I think he fouls players more consistently than a player at this level should be.
redconn,
The verbal wage agreement dispute makes sense, and I didn't know he was returning from injury.
I don't buy Liverpool not being in the Champions' League as a reason, because they weren't in the Champions' League either when he joined. If he didn't mind joining a post-Rafa Liverpool with a lot of work to do, then I don't think the Champions' League would be a major stickling point in being part of a Liverpool side that has received a lot of investment.
"I still find it amusing how much better our players get 30 seconds after they're transferred."
Believe me, I've been there. In 2009, Ronaldo went from "over-rated, not in the same class as Kaka" to "by far the best player from Utd's squad".
posted on 1/9/11
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posted on 1/9/11
>>I don't buy Liverpool not being in the Champions' League as a reason
I think it's the biggest reason.
I reckon he joined thinking we'd bounce right back into the top4. We probably would have if those idiots hadn't brought Roy in. The league was rubbsih last year and 4th was easily achievable.
2 years out and more competition for top4....I would have left. Same thing with Torres.
posted on 1/9/11
I am sure Meireles will be a rip roaring success at Chelsea just like Benayoun and Torres are
Oh wait....
_________________________________________
this will be Torres first full season with Chelsea so don't worry
posted on 1/9/11
Lisandro (U8669)
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Even Spearing looked good in the second half of the season under Kenny.
And if you don't rate Lucas I don't see why I'm arguing with you. Was clearly our best player last season.
posted on 1/9/11
i was not a fan of lucas but last year kind of shut me up, he was the best DM in the league by a long shot. im glad we have him just hope he keeps it up.
fair play to him aswell he was bought as an attacking midfielder.
posted on 1/9/11
All bitterness aside I an very unhappy Raul has gone. Also in the manner he has gone. Chelsea sniff at him and like Torres he's jumped at the chance. He is a quality, technical player. Sure he lacks pace and tackle but he makes up for it with his passing, great link-up play, forward runs and goals. He was one of the first names I'd have in the squad. Oh well
posted on 1/9/11
redconn,
Really? Meireles thought Liverpool would bounce straight back into the back four? The manner in which Benitez's Liverpool had failed the previous year surely was a clear warning that the team had deep problems that required a lot of investment to solve. When things actually began to look up when Dalglish brought in some big money signings, surely he realised that this Liverpool squad is in much better condition than Benitez' outfit?
That said, if I were Meireles, I'd want to play for Chelsea too (assumiing I'd already severed any potential ties with Utd by joining Liverpool)!
Honest Liverpool Five Times,
"Even Spearing looked good in the second half of the season under Kenny. "
That's extremely optimistic. I think you've both under-rated your youngster and over-rated your manager. Not to mention the improvement was always going to be radical when Liverpool got their issues in check - it was literally that bad before the turn of the year.
"And if you don't rate Lucas I don't see why I'm arguing with you. Was clearly our best player last season."
Eh, because I have a different opinion to you? A debate is not suddenly over, closed and shut because you declare a player to be fantastic. He's solid, but nowhere near the likes of a fit and firing Essien or Toure.
posted on 1/9/11
>>surely he realised that this Liverpool squad is in much better condition than Benitez' outfit?
I wouldn't even remotely agree with that.
In Rafa's last season we were undone by a lack of depth combined with massive injury problems, not by the side needing an overhaul. A bit like Chelsea in the middle of last season when injuries to midfield exposed them horribly.
We should have walked top4 last season but Roy had other ideas.
If I was foreign and relatively new to the side I'd have walked away as well. If we don't get top 4 this year Raul would be well into his 30s before he saw the CL again. If ever. That's why Torres left as well.
The CL is 5x the trophy and comp than the prem is to foreigners. That's the only reason the best would stay at an English club.
posted on 1/9/11
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posted on 1/9/11
Well, Liverpool had sold arguably their best player and replaced him with somebody who barely featured that year. Coupled with the heavy reliance on Torres (Rafa's treatment of Robbie Keane baffled me - he did really well with your team when given a chance), this lack of squad depth you mention is the very reason Liverpool's collapse was inevitable - their progress from 08/09 was simply unsustainable, and collapsed when Liverpool received key injuries to Gerard and Torres (and others at various times). A squad that is crippled that easily is a recipe for disaster!
This is the clearest exposition of the problem: in 2008/09, Liverpool had a nucleus of top class players surrounded by players of lesser quality. When the star players were fit and firing, they were powerful, but when one of them leaves and another two become injured, then the replacements are well below the standard required at this level. There were too many squad players who weren't good enough to fill in for the injured players, and that led to a downward spiral of bad results and lost confidence. No top level squad is stable under such conditions.
That Liverpool squad needed investment, and it needed it fast, I think that was obvious to anyone who had witnessed Liverpool plummet. If Meireles really thought that that squad was going to magically put all their problems to rest, then he needs to sack his agent and get a new one! A string of squad player signings under Benitez that was continued under Hodgson contributed to last year's mess of mediocrity - granted, most managers would do a better job than Hodgson, but only because of the investment that Liverpool's owners (and Chelsea FC) would pump into the club; otherwise, an underbelly of problems rooted in the previous regime was only going to get worse.
It's interesting that you mention Chelsea, that's exactly what happened to them - they were an aging squad that desperately needed investment because the squad depth they had the previous season had vanished and not been replaced. It's one of the reasons I believe sacking Ancelotti was a mistake - he should have been given much more money to invest once Ballack, Belletti, Carvalho, etc, left, not in January when it was too late.
Bottom line - if Meireles and his agent didn't see this coming, they have to ask a few questions of themselves. As an adjoint, I'm very certain that Liverpool will take 4th place (much as it pains me to say it), so if getting Champions' League football one season early were that important, then I hope he's thought this through - moving to a new club has it's own risks.
That said, I'm not knocking the guy, I think he's made a good move - I just think he should have moved to Chelsea much sooner than this!
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