You can control the game in possession, or out of it by using your shape and pressing. We're doing neither at the moment, and it means we put our fate in our opponents hands.

Anyway, enough of having to be negative because of the clueless.

Good result. We needed to get back to wining ways. Hopefully we can push on now and keep winning.

The result was the important thing but going 2-0 up after 25 mins I thought we would have kicked on and scored a few more. We needed to in order to catch up on goal difference. We can't seem to thrash any teams these days. That 2nd half wasn't pleasant to watch.

honestly whens the last time we gave away a lead apart from liverpool? if you think wengers defensive subs are a bad idea provide proof?

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
We used to bottle leads way too often, and rarely lose leads since Wenger does defensive subs. so many clueless mugs on here
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Yes his defensive subs saved us against Liverpool didn't it...if there was any good players with bournemouth it there was goals coming...Arsenal way.

We are pathetic to say the least

The reason for a lack of counter attack game is pretty obvious. We beat Leicester 5-2 counter attacking. We beat Man Utd 3-0 by counter attacks. We even beat the great Bayern Munich counter attacking. You can't counter attack without pace in the striking position. Oldest tactic as football itself.

We gave away leads against West Brom and Norwich but that was in the first half.

comment by Lado -The Best Number 10 (U7144)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
We used to bottle leads way too often, and rarely lose leads since Wenger does defensive subs. so many clueless mugs on here
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Yes his defensive subs saved us against Liverpool didn't it...if there was any good players with bournemouth it there was goals coming...Arsenal way.
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thats the only game. if you use that example then every game we defended the league provees it works. what is it about 13 games to 1 in favour? think of any other leads we gave away?

comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted less than a minute ago
We gave away leads against West Brom and Norwich but that was in the first half.
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obviously we hadnt made any defensive subs by the time they equalised. perhaps if we had we wouldnt have equalised

Lado
Only problem is that Theo is just horsesheet

comment by Lado -The Best Number 10 (U7144)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
We used to bottle leads way too often, and rarely lose leads since Wenger does defensive subs. so many clueless mugs on here
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Yes his defensive subs saved us against Liverpool didn't it...if there was any good players with bournemouth it there was goals coming...Arsenal way.
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said rarely simpleton, when else has it cost us?

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
The reason for a lack of counter attack game is pretty obvious. We beat Leicester 5-2 counter attacking. We beat Man Utd 3-0 by counter attacks. We even beat the great Bayern Munich counter attacking. You can't counter attack without pace in the striking position. Oldest tactic as football itself.
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It's just as much down to when and where you win the ball. You have to make the opponent commit players - the pace doesn't have to come from the striker, we played some of the best counter attacking football I can remember vs West Ham with Giroud up front a few seasons ago.

That was awful

comment by Sömeday_693 - Elneny will be our salvation (U8892)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
The reason for a lack of counter attack game is pretty obvious. We beat Leicester 5-2 counter attacking. We beat Man Utd 3-0 by counter attacks. We even beat the great Bayern Munich counter attacking. You can't counter attack without pace in the striking position. Oldest tactic as football itself.
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It's just as much down to when and where you win the ball. You have to make the opponent commit players - the pace doesn't have to come from the striker, we played some of the best counter attacking football I can remember vs West Ham with Giroud up front a few seasons ago.
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exactly. The pace comes from the midfield and also the passes to put your wingers and your forward in the right position.

comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Lado -The Best Number 10 (U7144)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted less than a minute ago
We used to bottle leads way too often, and rarely lose leads since Wenger does defensive subs. so many clueless mugs on here
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Yes his defensive subs saved us against Liverpool didn't it...if there was any good players with bournemouth it there was goals coming...Arsenal way.
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thats the only game. if you use that example then every game we defended the league provees it works. what is it about 13 games to 1 in favour? think of any other leads we gave away?
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It has before just cannot remember exactly...even so the point is..that with defensive subs Bournemouth had more control, and more chances to score...that is one flawed tactics.

Also if after 10 years at the club you still need run outs Vs poor teams to sort out your confidence issues maybe you should feck off. Totally not a title winning player. He's stealing a living really

comment by Tu Meke Olivier (U3732)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Dunno if there's any point watching 2nd half, will either finish 2-0, 2-1 or 2-2
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I did call it

comment by Wump (U5046)
posted less than a minute ago
Also if after 10 years at the club you still need run outs Vs poor teams to sort out your confidence issues maybe you should feck off. Totally not a title winning player. He's stealing a living really
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the transfer window is closed...you do what you can with what you have...SAF used Park in midfield and defenders in midfield to smash Wenger time and time again...The manager needs to make the blame as well.

comment by Sömeday_693 - Elneny will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted less than a minute ago
The reason for a lack of counter attack game is pretty obvious. We beat Leicester 5-2 counter attacking. We beat Man Utd 3-0 by counter attacks. We even beat the great Bayern Munich counter attacking. You can't counter attack without pace in the striking position. Oldest tactic as football itself.
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It's just as much down to when and where you win the ball. You have to make the opponent commit players - the pace doesn't have to come from the striker, we played some of the best counter attacking football I can remember vs West Ham with Giroud up front a few seasons ago.
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Of course it does. Wingers are a yard deeper. So they have to run past the slower striker to be on the last man of the opposition. Whats is more wide players also have to get past full backs before they can get the slower Centre backs.

In a compact formation Giroud would be around the half way line. He doesn't have the pace or movement to get to the opposition box before the opposition retreat into their defensive positions and so defeat a counter attack.

In fact Someday even Wenger admitted as much when he justified taking Giroud off against Chelsea after we went down to 10 and we retreated into a counter attack formation.

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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about a minute ago
In fact Someday even Wenger admitted as much when he justified taking Giroud off against Chelsea after we went down to 10 and we retreated into a counter attack formation.
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Just as you your arguments suits, right.

The pace comes from the midfield because it dictates where the ball will be played. We won at Leicester with Giroud, at Palace also where we played on a counter.

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