Wilshere will just get injured again within half a dozen games.
If these 3 players return in a month, and thats a big IF then I think our prospects look brighter than most people realise.
Only if we win the next few games when they return.
But all three of these are coming back from long term. Other the Cazorla, who I'm optimistic about, none will make a good enough impact
The problem is sometimes trying to introduce rusty players into the team and expecting them to be at their best.
We have seen the slow return of Coquelin and Elneny not being shoved straight in.
Plus they will all return after the hectic period, and sometimes having a large choice of players is a negative rather than a positive - especially if the team is in good form.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
The problem is sometimes trying to introduce rusty players into the team and expecting them to be at their best.
We have seen the slow return of Coquelin and Elneny not being shoved straight in.
Plus they will all return after the hectic period, and sometimes having a large choice of players is a negative rather than a positive - especially if the team is in good form.
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Trust me their return will be a positive as we have no real fluidity to talk about.
Out of all 3 at least one will hit the ground running. Some players are just more up for it in the 2nd half of the season
There are a lot of games between now and when they may return, you are just guessing on what our form may be!
I think the key difference is Walcott. Back when we took care of United 3-0 he was in really good form and it made Giroud better by having the competition. Theo nly player missing then was Cazorla, and as good as he is I don't think he's the difference between us being that good and this bad!
Neither are playing especially well, Walcott in particular, hopefully Sanchez can get back to top form and bring Walcott with him.
That said, having alluded to competition (seemingly) bring the best out of both players then it would be silly not to think that having Welbeck and Wilshere around won't have the same impact on other, Ramsey and Oxlade in particular.
look the theme of this article is for us to stay within 2 points of the leaders until we have a bigger squad from which to choose players.
13/02/16 Arsenal vs Leicester City
28/02/16 Manchester United vs Arsenal
02/03/16 Arsenal vs Swansea City
05/03/16 Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal
These are the 4 fixtures that will precede the month I expect at least one or 2 players to be back.
Tough games but I have a feeling we will win one of the Spurs or united games
comment by Arsene Wengooner (U6031)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think the key difference is Walcott. Back when we took care of United 3-0 he was in really good form and it made Giroud better by having the competition. Theo nly player missing then was Cazorla, and as good as he is I don't think he's the difference between us being that good and this bad!
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I don't really get what you're saying. Cazorla played in that game. Or are you saying the only player missing now and not then is him?
I actually think he is a lot of the difference between us being very good and very average. The way we play at our best depends a lot on his ball control and passing in midfield. At the moment we have a defence and an attack and nobody in between good enough to get the ball to the likes of Ozil or Alexis to do damage.
The way we play at our best depends a lot on his ball control and passing in midfield.
And that's the key to our game defensively and offensively. If we have a combo out of Ramsey and Flamini there it wont work no matter who plays upfront or as our CB's.
some people dont realise how santi is the oil of our engine. Theskins puts it perefectly when he says we have an attack and a defence.thats why when we somehow score first we invariable win games as our defence holds out but we hardly control games like the way we beat city 2-0 at the Etihad last season.
We only have 2 real creative players Santi and ozil. Sanchez has something about him but he should be at the end of chances.
I think the biggest factor is the return of Coq. After that getting Giroud out of the starting 11 is the big factor I expect to improve our results week in week out. With him slowing up our attacks all opposition teams have to do is push up high, pressurise our midfield and its half the job done.
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew. It is having Coq protecting he defence that allows the attacking players more freedom to attack. So I don't think Santi is the "oil of our engine" but its having a proper DM/holding midfielder that allows freedom to attack.
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 minutes ago
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
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We have a difference of opinion. Just accept it. In our last 5 league games we have got 6 points. The only one we didn't see the high pressure tactics we won and in the games where they did use these tactics we got 3 points out of an available 12. And remind me again when Giroud last scored.
comment by 50P for Walcott (U1147)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
But all three of these are coming back from long term. Other the Cazorla, who I'm optimistic about, none will make a good enough impact
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Aye? Cazorla is the most worrying given his age and poor physicality.
Wilshere is actually the best at coming back like he's never been away, the only worry is seeing him re-injured due to returning too soon.
Welbeck we shall see, he's been out almost a year so it's the biggest test of his career and as an explosive player it may take a while to recapture that explosiveness but he's young enough to adapt
Wilshere is the most important returnee he can help solve our ball retaining need from our right but also solve this issue of build up play centrally when Coquelin returns.
Think AW actually had big plans for Jack this season. Welbeck is also vital for an impact role but also when starting at CF he suits Alexis a lot who we desperately need back in form at this stage.
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 minutes ago
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
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We have a difference of opinion. Just accept it. In our last 5 league games we have got 6 points. The only one we didn't see the high pressure tactics we won and in the games where they did use these tactics we got 3 points out of an available 12. And remind me again when Giroud last scored.
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I talked of the general situation upfront. How do you think the way we are playing in midfield would find Theo?
"I am gooner now" misses the whole point about how we outplayed united at the emirates.
We did not beat united because Theo was unplayable and dribble 3 players and thumped the ball into the net, we beat united because we shifted the ball faster in the middle of the park through Santi and Coq.
Both players are important as Coq knows how to position himself defensively and immediately give the ball to Santi who launches those quick breaks.
Coq is not the one who provides the passes to Theo
comment by jebbush (U20649)
posted 48 minutes ago
"I am gooner now" misses the whole point about how we outplayed united at the emirates.
We did not beat united because Theo was unplayable and dribble 3 players and thumped the ball into the net, we beat united because we shifted the ball faster in the middle of the park through Santi and Coq.
Both players are important as Coq knows how to position himself defensively and immediately give the ball to Santi who launches those quick breaks.
Coq is not the one who provides the passes to Theo
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comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 minutes ago
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
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We have a difference of opinion. Just accept it. In our last 5 league games we have got 6 points. The only one we didn't see the high pressure tactics we won and in the games where they did use these tactics we got 3 points out of an available 12. And remind me again when Giroud last scored.
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Says GT is the one obsessed with giroud
Talks about Giroud when GT doesn't
Theo would have been the wrong choice for the last few games, the reason we have played like crap is as our midfield let the other team control the pace of the game. its just resulted in anything we do have upfront being scrappy fights for the ball something which theo just can't do
as for them coming back, santi will of course make a difference, welbeck is theo but with strength and height and (on paper) is exactly what we need when giroud is struggling upfront, if he can deliver is a different matter and Wilshere could put us well back on track if he can play like he does for england but similarly to welbeck its only on paper
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 30 minutes ago
Theo would have been the wrong choice for the last few games, the reason we have played like crap is as our midfield let the other team control the pace of the game. its just resulted in anything we do have upfront being scrappy fights for the ball something which theo just can't do
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You got it Digby.
comment by jebbush (U20649)
posted 22 hours, 18 minutes ago
"I am gooner now" misses the whole point about how we outplayed united at the emirates.
We did not beat united because Theo was unplayable and dribble 3 players and thumped the ball into the net, we beat united because we shifted the ball faster in the middle of the park through Santi and Coq.
Both players are important as Coq knows how to position himself defensively and immediately give the ball to Santi who launches those quick breaks.
Coq is not the one who provides the passes to Theo
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That game is a prime example of why I think I'm right. having Theo up front puts more pressure on the CBs to sit deeper and allows more room in midfield for our players to exploit. With Giroud up front their CBs push up high, compressing midfield and putting more pressure on our players. And in that game we had Coq at DM providing cover for the defence and allowing the attacking players freedom too go forward as they dont have to put in as much effort defensively.
This game perfectly proves my point, yet are cant see that so accuse me of missing the point. Its not just about what the players do, but how they affect the game as well.
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posted on 12/2/16
Wilshere will just get injured again within half a dozen games.
posted on 12/2/16
If these 3 players return in a month, and thats a big IF then I think our prospects look brighter than most people realise.
Only if we win the next few games when they return.
posted on 12/2/16
But all three of these are coming back from long term. Other the Cazorla, who I'm optimistic about, none will make a good enough impact
posted on 12/2/16
The problem is sometimes trying to introduce rusty players into the team and expecting them to be at their best.
We have seen the slow return of Coquelin and Elneny not being shoved straight in.
Plus they will all return after the hectic period, and sometimes having a large choice of players is a negative rather than a positive - especially if the team is in good form.
posted on 12/2/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
The problem is sometimes trying to introduce rusty players into the team and expecting them to be at their best.
We have seen the slow return of Coquelin and Elneny not being shoved straight in.
Plus they will all return after the hectic period, and sometimes having a large choice of players is a negative rather than a positive - especially if the team is in good form.
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Trust me their return will be a positive as we have no real fluidity to talk about.
Out of all 3 at least one will hit the ground running. Some players are just more up for it in the 2nd half of the season
posted on 12/2/16
There are a lot of games between now and when they may return, you are just guessing on what our form may be!
posted on 12/2/16
I think the key difference is Walcott. Back when we took care of United 3-0 he was in really good form and it made Giroud better by having the competition. Theo nly player missing then was Cazorla, and as good as he is I don't think he's the difference between us being that good and this bad!
Neither are playing especially well, Walcott in particular, hopefully Sanchez can get back to top form and bring Walcott with him.
That said, having alluded to competition (seemingly) bring the best out of both players then it would be silly not to think that having Welbeck and Wilshere around won't have the same impact on other, Ramsey and Oxlade in particular.
posted on 12/2/16
look the theme of this article is for us to stay within 2 points of the leaders until we have a bigger squad from which to choose players.
13/02/16 Arsenal vs Leicester City
28/02/16 Manchester United vs Arsenal
02/03/16 Arsenal vs Swansea City
05/03/16 Tottenham Hotspur vs Arsenal
These are the 4 fixtures that will precede the month I expect at least one or 2 players to be back.
Tough games but I have a feeling we will win one of the Spurs or united games
posted on 12/2/16
comment by Arsene Wengooner (U6031)
posted 9 minutes ago
I think the key difference is Walcott. Back when we took care of United 3-0 he was in really good form and it made Giroud better by having the competition. Theo nly player missing then was Cazorla, and as good as he is I don't think he's the difference between us being that good and this bad!
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I don't really get what you're saying. Cazorla played in that game. Or are you saying the only player missing now and not then is him?
I actually think he is a lot of the difference between us being very good and very average. The way we play at our best depends a lot on his ball control and passing in midfield. At the moment we have a defence and an attack and nobody in between good enough to get the ball to the likes of Ozil or Alexis to do damage.
posted on 12/2/16
The way we play at our best depends a lot on his ball control and passing in midfield.
And that's the key to our game defensively and offensively. If we have a combo out of Ramsey and Flamini there it wont work no matter who plays upfront or as our CB's.
posted on 12/2/16
some people dont realise how santi is the oil of our engine. Theskins puts it perefectly when he says we have an attack and a defence.thats why when we somehow score first we invariable win games as our defence holds out but we hardly control games like the way we beat city 2-0 at the Etihad last season.
We only have 2 real creative players Santi and ozil. Sanchez has something about him but he should be at the end of chances.
posted on 12/2/16
I think the biggest factor is the return of Coq. After that getting Giroud out of the starting 11 is the big factor I expect to improve our results week in week out. With him slowing up our attacks all opposition teams have to do is push up high, pressurise our midfield and its half the job done.
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew. It is having Coq protecting he defence that allows the attacking players more freedom to attack. So I don't think Santi is the "oil of our engine" but its having a proper DM/holding midfielder that allows freedom to attack.
posted on 12/2/16
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
posted on 12/2/16
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 minutes ago
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
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We have a difference of opinion. Just accept it. In our last 5 league games we have got 6 points. The only one we didn't see the high pressure tactics we won and in the games where they did use these tactics we got 3 points out of an available 12. And remind me again when Giroud last scored.
posted on 12/2/16
comment by 50P for Walcott (U1147)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
But all three of these are coming back from long term. Other the Cazorla, who I'm optimistic about, none will make a good enough impact
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Aye? Cazorla is the most worrying given his age and poor physicality.
Wilshere is actually the best at coming back like he's never been away, the only worry is seeing him re-injured due to returning too soon.
Welbeck we shall see, he's been out almost a year so it's the biggest test of his career and as an explosive player it may take a while to recapture that explosiveness but he's young enough to adapt
Wilshere is the most important returnee he can help solve our ball retaining need from our right but also solve this issue of build up play centrally when Coquelin returns.
Think AW actually had big plans for Jack this season. Welbeck is also vital for an impact role but also when starting at CF he suits Alexis a lot who we desperately need back in form at this stage.
posted on 12/2/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 minutes ago
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
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We have a difference of opinion. Just accept it. In our last 5 league games we have got 6 points. The only one we didn't see the high pressure tactics we won and in the games where they did use these tactics we got 3 points out of an available 12. And remind me again when Giroud last scored.
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I talked of the general situation upfront. How do you think the way we are playing in midfield would find Theo?
posted on 12/2/16
"I am gooner now" misses the whole point about how we outplayed united at the emirates.
We did not beat united because Theo was unplayable and dribble 3 players and thumped the ball into the net, we beat united because we shifted the ball faster in the middle of the park through Santi and Coq.
Both players are important as Coq knows how to position himself defensively and immediately give the ball to Santi who launches those quick breaks.
Coq is not the one who provides the passes to Theo
posted on 12/2/16
comment by jebbush (U20649)
posted 48 minutes ago
"I am gooner now" misses the whole point about how we outplayed united at the emirates.
We did not beat united because Theo was unplayable and dribble 3 players and thumped the ball into the net, we beat united because we shifted the ball faster in the middle of the park through Santi and Coq.
Both players are important as Coq knows how to position himself defensively and immediately give the ball to Santi who launches those quick breaks.
Coq is not the one who provides the passes to Theo
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posted on 12/2/16
comment by I am gooner now (U16927)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 13 minutes ago
And some of the posts on here credit Santi with being the reason our team performed better, but Santi always had Coq next to him except the Norwich game which we drew.
And Santi is also key for being creative and finding our forwards no matter who is playing upfront. Why cant you just get it for once?
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We have a difference of opinion. Just accept it. In our last 5 league games we have got 6 points. The only one we didn't see the high pressure tactics we won and in the games where they did use these tactics we got 3 points out of an available 12. And remind me again when Giroud last scored.
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Says GT is the one obsessed with giroud
Talks about Giroud when GT doesn't
posted on 12/2/16
Theo would have been the wrong choice for the last few games, the reason we have played like crap is as our midfield let the other team control the pace of the game. its just resulted in anything we do have upfront being scrappy fights for the ball something which theo just can't do
posted on 12/2/16
as for them coming back, santi will of course make a difference, welbeck is theo but with strength and height and (on paper) is exactly what we need when giroud is struggling upfront, if he can deliver is a different matter and Wilshere could put us well back on track if he can play like he does for england but similarly to welbeck its only on paper
posted on 12/2/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 30 minutes ago
Theo would have been the wrong choice for the last few games, the reason we have played like crap is as our midfield let the other team control the pace of the game. its just resulted in anything we do have upfront being scrappy fights for the ball something which theo just can't do
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You got it Digby.
posted on 13/2/16
comment by jebbush (U20649)
posted 22 hours, 18 minutes ago
"I am gooner now" misses the whole point about how we outplayed united at the emirates.
We did not beat united because Theo was unplayable and dribble 3 players and thumped the ball into the net, we beat united because we shifted the ball faster in the middle of the park through Santi and Coq.
Both players are important as Coq knows how to position himself defensively and immediately give the ball to Santi who launches those quick breaks.
Coq is not the one who provides the passes to Theo
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That game is a prime example of why I think I'm right. having Theo up front puts more pressure on the CBs to sit deeper and allows more room in midfield for our players to exploit. With Giroud up front their CBs push up high, compressing midfield and putting more pressure on our players. And in that game we had Coq at DM providing cover for the defence and allowing the attacking players freedom too go forward as they dont have to put in as much effort defensively.
This game perfectly proves my point, yet are cant see that so accuse me of missing the point. Its not just about what the players do, but how they affect the game as well.
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