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Giroud: Less Is More

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comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 27/3/16

You should give up Darren, it is a bit of pointless debate. The Giroud fanboys will never get it.
It is always easier for them to blame on the defence and/or the midfield rather than our strikers despite the fact (and it is a FACT) than we created more chances than anyone else this season.

posted on 27/3/16

To be fair, I think the op can meet in the middle ground with regard to Giroud. He's not GT.

posted on 27/3/16

comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 9 minutes ago
If you look at the 4 teams above us on goals scored they all have strikers that are clearly far better than anything we have:
Kane:Vardy:Aguero:Lukaku

It's just so obvious.

Of course there are other changes to the team that would be good - but the complexity of getting those changes and balance right so that it works is never easy.

Buying a world class striker when you haven't got one and thus rectify that deficiency IS easy
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But almost likely will not win you anything. Jeez man, how many times do you have to have it said, it's NOT our BIGGEST problem. There are bigger problems behind the CF position that will effectively negate the extra 10 goals a WC striker will get even if we buy him.

posted on 27/3/16

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"how many times do you have to have it said, it's NOT our BIGGEST problem."
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It doesn't matter, because we just don't agree on this - you can say it as many times as you like

posted on 27/3/16

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Winning games wins titles
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But you can't win enough games to win a league title, with a poor defence. The poor defence will inevitably concede more goals than their attack can score.

However, you CAN win games with a good defence and an weak attack. See the fewer you concede, the fewer you NEED to score to win the game.

THAT is why they say DEFENCE wins titles

posted on 27/3/16



THAT is why they say DEFENCE wins titles
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You do not need the best defence around to win titles.

Put it this way

Barca, Real and Bayern do they have the best defence in the world? NO..Why are they considered the best clubs in the world?

Goals wins games --> Winning games wins tittle.

Simple.

posted on 27/3/16

titles*

posted on 27/3/16

comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 12 minutes ago
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"how many times do you have to have it said, it's NOT our BIGGEST problem."
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It doesn't matter, because we just don't agree on this - you can say it as many times as you like
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Only because obtuse to admit that there has indeed been a problem with the defence for far longer than we've had Giroud. Your case and point die with that one fact but you seem incapable of just conceding the point.

comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 27/3/16

But almost likely will not win you anything. Jeez man, how many times do you have to have it said, it's NOT our BIGGEST problem.
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How did you work this one out?
The PL winner this season will be either the Fox or Spurs (hopefully the former!). They can only be one winner but both teams have scored more than us.
Everton are the semi final of the FA cup despite conceding lots of goals this season. Their problem has been their home form, not the away form. Next game is at Wembley so if I had to put my money on a team to win it, it would be them.
And City have technically already won a trophy so how a better striker don't win you anything?
And as Darren mentioned, Liverpool two season ago finished above us despite having conceded far more goals. Actually I can't be bothered to check but I wouldn't be surprised if they conceded more than we did over the past decade but yet we haven't finished second in ages!

posted on 27/3/16

**because you're being too obtuse to admit

posted on 27/3/16

There are a lot of strawman arguments flying around. Saying Giroud is inadequate for our title ambitions doesn't mean he's the only problem with the team. He is just the specific problem being discussed in this particular article. There are at least 6 clubs with better strikers than Giroud in the league. If you're pursuing the title, that is just not good enough.

posted on 27/3/16

With the way Arsenal set up the main striker needs to be putting away a lot more chances than Giroud does. On top of that the CF needs to move better or have exceptional hold up play, Giroud has/does neither.

The underwhelming Stats don't even tell the whole story and almost any Prem CF would easily hit the figures Giroud does if they played the same number of games at CF for Arsenal.

He's bang average and we need desperately need an upgrade.

comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 27/3/16

Mesut Özil tells @welt that Arsenal "we need reinforcements" if they want "to be on top here again".
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I don't have access to the article but I'm sure he wasn't referring to our defence.
In fairness, Giroud is not the only one to blame this season. Walcott and Sanchez have been horrible.

posted on 27/3/16

comment by Ramsey and Giroud need to feck off.... NOW!! (U10012)
posted 6 seconds ago
But almost likely will not win you anything. Jeez man, how many times do you have to have it said, it's NOT our BIGGEST problem.
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How did you work this one out?
The PL winner this season will be either the Fox or Spurs (hopefully the former!). They can only be one winner but both teams have scored more than us.
Everton are the semi final of the FA cup despite conceding lots of goals this season. Their problem has been their home form, not the away form. Next game is at Wembley so if I had to put my money on a team to win it, it would be them.
And City have technically already won a trophy so how a better striker don't win you anything?
And as Darren mentioned, Liverpool two season ago finished above us despite having conceded far more goals. Actually I can't be bothered to check but I wouldn't be surprised if they conceded more than we did over the past decade but yet we haven't finished second in ages!
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Arsenal won two FA cups with Giroud yet nothing with RVP. Why? Because the defence behind Giroud was a lot better than the one behind RVP. BOTH strikers worked with the best assist provider in the league at the given times.

People are arguing with me when our club history backs up what I'm saying. If I was wrong and the people arguing with me right, THEN RVP WOULD HAVE WON SOMETHING HERE!!!

posted on 27/3/16

comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ramsey and Giroud need to feck off.... NOW!! (U10012)
posted 6 seconds ago
But almost likely will not win you anything. Jeez man, how many times do you have to have it said, it's NOT our BIGGEST problem.
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How did you work this one out?
The PL winner this season will be either the Fox or Spurs (hopefully the former!). They can only be one winner but both teams have scored more than us.
Everton are the semi final of the FA cup despite conceding lots of goals this season. Their problem has been their home form, not the away form. Next game is at Wembley so if I had to put my money on a team to win it, it would be them.
And City have technically already won a trophy so how a better striker don't win you anything?
And as Darren mentioned, Liverpool two season ago finished above us despite having conceded far more goals. Actually I can't be bothered to check but I wouldn't be surprised if they conceded more than we did over the past decade but yet we haven't finished second in ages!
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Arsenal won two FA cups with Giroud yet nothing with RVP. Why? Because the defence behind Giroud was a lot better than the one behind RVP. BOTH strikers worked with the best assist provider in the league at the given times.

People are arguing with me when our club history backs up what I'm saying. If I was wrong and the people arguing with me right, THEN RVP WOULD HAVE WON SOMETHING HERE!!!
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Lets look at the history as to why RVP could not lead Arsenal to title..which he was very close to even with pathetic SOLD OUT team.

Transfer window : 2011/2012

Ins : 50 mil
Outs : 70 mil (Fab + Nasri)

Not long ago we were selling our best players for profit

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Transfer window : 2012/2013
Ins : 52 mil (Giroud + Santi + Pod in)
Outs : 43 mil (RVP fed up leaves)

Transfer window : 2013/2014
Ins : 42 mil (Ozil!)
Outs : 10 mil (reserves)

Transfer window : 2014/2015
Ins : 95 mil (Sanchez etc.)
Outs : 2 million

Transfer window : 2015/2016
Ins : 16 million
Outs: 1.5 million


So you are telling me RVP would not have won something here??

Rip carried the skeleton of a sold out team to top four place..even had a title challenge.

The reason Arsenal have won couple of cups has little to no contribution from Giroud but due to increase in SPENDING POWER.

If RVP was from 2012 was in this team he would have atleast smashed 40 goals in and that is no way over estimation..just shows how poor Giroud is.

posted on 27/3/16

The thing is my main problem with Giroud isn't even his scoring record, which is quite mediocre for the leading striker of one of the most creative teams in the league. Afterall, even before RVP became prolific, I was a fan of his. It's the all-round game of Giroud that is an immense problem. Far too many games where the ball keeps bouncing off him and he turns over possession to the opposition again and again and again. He can't make the ball stick and this affects our build-up play and fluidity in the final 3rd. His hold-up play is so poor.

And then we come to his movement. Another liability and teams often exploit this to press our midfield high up the pitch knowing we have a statue upfront who can't exploit the gaps they leave.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 27/3/16

comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 second ago
The thing is my main problem with Giroud isn't even his scoring record, which is quite mediocre for the leading striker of one of the most creative teams in the league. Afterall, even before RVP became prolific, I was a fan of his. It's the all-round game of Giroud that is an immense problem. Far too many games where the ball keeps bouncing off him and he turns over possession to the opposition again and again and again. He can't make the ball stick and this affects our build-up play and fluidity in the final 3rd. His hold-up play is so poor.

And then we come to his movement. Another liability and teams often exploit this to press our midfield high up the pitch knowing we have a statue upfront who can't exploit the gaps they leave.
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This. He's trying his best and is always trying to be available. It's just that he's not particularly good. That's not his fault, it's the managers for persisting with him so long.

comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 27/3/16

I didn't want to bite because I don't know if the OP is ona wum or not but I think every can agree that in his first season, RVP has won the title to United. He was the main difference. And don't even dare to mention their defence because that same season, they conceded more than us. But they have also scored more, far more....

posted on 27/3/16

It's also interesting to note that one of his relative strengths which is his decent finishing still appears a comparative weakness against the top strikers in the league. The 3-season period between 2012 and 2015, Giroud was top of the league for clear chances missed. As of the time the same stats were published in January of this season, he was again topping the table.

posted on 27/3/16

Why is it everyone whom says Giroud is the main problem, keeps on talking as though we've had a sound and reliable defence, combative midfield and top goalie for the last 10 years??? Exactly where did you lot all see Kos/Merte pairing, A keeper as good as Cech, and MF that could scrap like Coq/Elneny, playing for Arsenal before this season??? Did you build these fictional teams you're all on about of FIFA or something, because that combination of players has only been behind Giroud this season (and as yet, we've still not, not won the title).

If/when we fail to win the title this season, THEN you can blame Giroud. Because being fair to the player, this season is the first in which you can say we had a goalie we could trust, a back four that wasn't a disaster and MFs that can fight. That's a laundry list of issues that will cost you games REGARDLESS of how good your attack is. As I have said already, Giroud may well be a problem but he's no way the biggest issue/problem we've have over the last 10 years. He's not even the biggest problem since he arrived.

posted on 27/3/16

2/13
First half = 4 goals
Second half = 7 goals

13/14
First half = 7 goals
Second half - 9 goals

14/15
First half = 5 goals (the aforementioned injury)
Second half = 9 goals

15/16
First half = 10 goals
Second half = 2 goals.
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posted on 27/3/16

comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why is it everyone whom says Giroud is the main problem, keeps on talking as though we've had a sound and reliable defence, combative midfield and top goalie for the last 10 years??? Exactly where did you lot all see Kos/Merte pairing, A keeper as good as Cech, and MF that could scrap like Coq/Elneny, playing for Arsenal before this season??? Did you build these fictional teams you're all on about of FIFA or something, because that combination of players has only been behind Giroud this season (and as yet, we've still not, not won the title).

If/when we fail to win the title this season, THEN you can blame Giroud. Because being fair to the player, this season is the first in which you can say we had a goalie we could trust, a back four that wasn't a disaster and MFs that can fight. That's a laundry list of issues that will cost you games REGARDLESS of how good your attack is. As I have said already, Giroud may well be a problem but he's no way the biggest issue/problem we've have over the last 10 years. He's not even the biggest problem since he arrived.
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Giroud has never been and will never be good enough. The Kos-Per partnership while not fantastic is not as bigger issue as not having a top CF. I do agree that we have/have had other issues but CF is by far the most glaring problem right now and has been for a long time.

posted on 27/3/16

Giroud is wack. If he's half a season striker, then he's not good enough for a top club. Look at the very best players in the world. Giroud fitness is as good as theirs, but they do it for all season continuously. Giroud can only do it when the team is performing. Cannot recall the last time he stepped up to the plate when the team was performing below par.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 27/3/16

The biggest problem has been the midfield, and to be fair to the manager, it must have been a huge blow losing your first choice midfield pairing.

But having flamini in reserve? He's not been as bad as some have made out, but come on. And you can't even say Arteta because even I foresaw his injury problems in the summer. I was telling anybody who would listen that he isn't reliable, and even if he was he is past his best anyway.

Combine that with failing to discipline Ramsey's wild, braindead attacking instincts and you can see our midfield has been utter waaaank over the last few months. That is on the manager I'm afraid.

THIS has been our main problem. Giroud is also a problem though.


posted on 27/3/16

Can't believe how many comments this racked up. Anybody who even at this stage still believes Giroud is worthy 1st choice hasn't a clue.

He's had 4 years now not a single elite season in either, took him this long to get his 1st hat-trick and still doesn't have one in English football.

Suarez, RVP etc.. hardly need breaks, yeah they may have goal droughts but they're still valuable during those droughts, when Giroud is off-form he becomes a liability to the team and you can see by his teammates reactions towards him that they doubt him too.

Even when in form Giroud makes our football worst but it's hard to complain because he's scoring but it becomes a lot more noticeable when he isn't.

Our horrid turn in form is linked with his return think it started with the Everton (H) game where we won but weren't as fluent or dynamic as we started the season sweeping aside strong opponents.

Giroud being main striker yet again next season is a forfeit to another title, simple as that, he's not good enough. Backup at best

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