The fans? You mean the players and club. What do you expect from the fans when they've been subjected to this krap for so long. The club are a mess and players like Bacuna coming out and saying he hopes to be playing CL football next season while the club who pay his wages are on the brink of relegation are pathetic.
I feel sorry for the fans.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 seconds ago
The fans? You mean the players and club. What do you expect from the fans when they've been subjected to this krap for so long. The club are a mess and players like Bacuna coming out and saying he hopes to be playing CL football next season while the club who pay his wages are on the brink of relegation are pathetic.
I feel sorry for the fans.
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Sorry must edit my wording. That's exactly what I meant
It's been one shocking season for them.
Can't believe they are going to go down.
A mainstay of the top division.
Hard to believe Delph and Benteke made such a difference
I'll be disappointed if they go down. It's like a second home for us. We always seem to do well there.
Yeah, Villa have always been a regular 6 pointer for us. It's not just that, they're a big club and as has been mentioned a huge mainstay of the PL. I'll miss them tbh.
They have been fighting relegation for a few years. They lost the spine that kept them up last year and replaced them with lower quality players. The rot started from Martin O'Neil's error. He's a good coach but a lot if his signings had been duds.
Annoying thing is there are a handful of Villa players putting in the effort. There's not enough of them and there's no leaders in defence or midfield to keep things together when things go against us.
With a bit of luck we'll be relegated after the next match, at which point we can get in a new manager and start sorting out the squad. Some of those players are worth keeping and they need to be kept on side otherwise they'll be off. I hope some of those players never play for Villa again.
Aye, Villa going down feels different to the likes of Newcastle and Leeds who have bounced around the divisions a lot during over their history. Villa have haven't been relegated during the PL era and have only been relegated once in 49 years.
They've been badly run from the top down, an owner who didn't seem to understand the nature of football and the constant need to fund the team and none of the hierarchy who were in place at the start of the season seemed to be qualified to do the job.
They had a Chief Exec. who had never done the job before, same with the sporting director and chief scout, they've brought average football league players , cheap imports from abroad and experienced players like Lescott and Richards who either aren't bothered or just aren't good enough anymore.
I don't think you can blame Remi Garde or Tim Sherwood, they obviously care and wanted to do well but the players either didn't care, or simple aeren't good enough for the PL.
Shambles of a club who are going down in a pretty pathetic manner. They have brought some "football people" to the club now though and there's rumors that David Moyes would consider dropping into the Championship for the Villa job (and only the Villa jon btw), due to the potential of the club.
The Process
They didn't make that much difference. Villas problems are entirely made through the arrogance of their owner.
Villa will find it tough in the championship.
The fans have been let down by the owner/board it's awful to see
The villa fans loved Lerner when he came in, They alsO gave O Neill a lot of stick despite 3 top 6 finishes.
MON only started getting stick in his final season when he bought some players barely better than those he dropped to the bench, used his favourite 11 throughout, and ran out of steam towards the end of the season because of it. And clubs caught onto his counter-attacking style to which he didn't have an alternative. With players like Young, Downing and Carew in the attack, and Milner in mid field, fans thought we should be moving forwards and weren't. Otherwise, he had a lot of support from the fans.
Well the Villa fans I know blame O'Neill for the current mess claiming he overspent and the club never recovered from that. Not sure how he was supposed to take the next step without further backing from lerner
A mainstay of the top division.
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not really ...if you know your history
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with threw deal coming into place Villa couldn't have picked a worse season to go down. It not like the have huge assists within the squad that to can demand huge fees for.
Get the next manager wrong and they could be out the top flight for a good while.
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
A mainstay of the top division.
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not really ...if you know your history
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What are you talking about?
Unless I'm very much mistaken, only one club has spent more time in the top flight of English football.
Moyes and Pearson are the best bets for sorting it out, BUT they have to have effective control of recruitment. Moyes at Everton was fanatical about knowing every last detail of the players they recruited, and it paid off; Everton had the players they needed. I reckon Pearson is the same. Neither will come if the structure doesn't allow that.
That means that however sensible on paper the structure looks, it has to be flexible enough to accommodate them. The previous board wouldn't have had that. This one has to if it wants Villa to recover anytime soon. I think those two are streets ahead of anybody else, but the board has to bend to get them. I wonder if it will
I'd love Roy Keane to get it
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
A mainstay of the top division.
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not really ...if you know your history
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Only Everton have been in the top division longer.
Given what has happened to the club since it does seem ridiculous that O'Neill was given stick. However, he did buy a lot of dross and if Lerner had given him more money to spend I don't think he would have spent it wisely in my opinion.
Ashley Young, Milner, Carew, Friedel, Petrov, Downing - all decent players and definitely good signings for the fees. None of them top quality it must be said: at the same time we were competing pretty much on a level-playing field with Spurs and they were buying the likes of Bale, Modric and Van der Vaart - all in a different league to any of the players we bought. Having said that, Spurs also spent dubiously during this time buying the likes of Palacios, Pavlyuchenko and Gomes for big money, and not forgetting Darren Bent.
Then again, those players Spurs bought were not really regulars and were pretty much squad players once Harry Redknapp put his stamp on the team. O'Neill, however, made players like Dunne, Warnock, Luke Young, Collins, Heskey, Cuellar and Curtis Davies regulars. Players like Reo Coker and Sidwell also played a lot of games, and Agbonlahor was made a key player despite regularly going missing for large chunks of the season. The players that actually were squad players were so average that O'Neill didn't have any faith in them, yet he sanctioned their signings (e.g. Beye, Salifou, Shorey). What I've noticed here is that the majority of the poor signings came in defence. When O'Neill came he inherited a side that nearly went down but still contained very good defenders in Laursen, Mellberg and Bouma. He decided to replace players of that sort of calibre (Laursen and Mellberg could have played for CL clubs - in fact Mellberg did go on to play for Juve) with t*t for tat players such as Collins and Warnock. Not sure how a manager as highly regarded as O'Neill could make such a huge lack of judgement. It's not exactly as if such players were cheap replacements either - Warnock was £8 million, Dunne £5 million, Collins £6 million, Cuellar £8 million. All of them were in their late 20s so they weren't exactly blessed with any potential either.
To be honest though it's easy to point fingers. O'Neill did what he came to do and got us competing, even if we were a long ball team with a lot of players who wouldn't ordinarily get near a top six team. The real blame needs to be pointed at Lerner. Despite what Ellis said (and I respect Ellis because I know he loves the club), Lerner is a nasty man with no love for this club. If he had any ounce of respect for the club and any feeling towards it he would not let it get in this state where it is rotten to the core and with no future chances of success. He has acted like the opportunistic capitalist he is, stubbornly trying to sell at a high price whilst we're in the PL and not lowering his value when it is clear that the club currently with the players it has is worth nowhere near £150 million. He should have accepted a lower price and got out, he's been milking all his money back over the years anyway when he has failed to invest in any players.
I can see a mutiny starting and it is all because of him. Who cares what he did in the first two or three years, that all goes out of the window when he has presided over absolute chaos over the last five years and it has led to the club being in its worst state for over 100 years. He really is a despicable human being as far as I'm concerned and an atrocious businessman at that.
1987 - good post, I agree with everything about MON. Think you're being a bit harsh anout Lerner, in the sense that, in my view, he's not so much nasty but unbelievably incompetent. He inherited his wealth, he didn't make it, and I reckon he has very little grasp on how to run an organisation. He probably does have strong feelings for the club (hope so, we need his cash still), but that's nowhere near enough. What worries me is that come the summer he may yet withhold support at a critical moment, as he has done in the past.
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A mainstay of the top division.
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not really ...if you know your history
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As others have said, Villa have been in the top flight for more seasons than any other club except for Everton.
So, clearly, they are a mainstay of the top division.
You either need new history books or a new dictionary.
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posted on 2/4/16
The fans? You mean the players and club. What do you expect from the fans when they've been subjected to this krap for so long. The club are a mess and players like Bacuna coming out and saying he hopes to be playing CL football next season while the club who pay his wages are on the brink of relegation are pathetic.
I feel sorry for the fans.
posted on 2/4/16
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 37 seconds ago
The fans? You mean the players and club. What do you expect from the fans when they've been subjected to this krap for so long. The club are a mess and players like Bacuna coming out and saying he hopes to be playing CL football next season while the club who pay his wages are on the brink of relegation are pathetic.
I feel sorry for the fans.
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Sorry must edit my wording. That's exactly what I meant
posted on 2/4/16
It's been one shocking season for them.
Can't believe they are going to go down.
A mainstay of the top division.
posted on 2/4/16
Hard to believe Delph and Benteke made such a difference
posted on 2/4/16
I'll be disappointed if they go down. It's like a second home for us. We always seem to do well there.
posted on 2/4/16
Yeah, Villa have always been a regular 6 pointer for us. It's not just that, they're a big club and as has been mentioned a huge mainstay of the PL. I'll miss them tbh.
posted on 2/4/16
They have been fighting relegation for a few years. They lost the spine that kept them up last year and replaced them with lower quality players. The rot started from Martin O'Neil's error. He's a good coach but a lot if his signings had been duds.
posted on 2/4/16
Annoying thing is there are a handful of Villa players putting in the effort. There's not enough of them and there's no leaders in defence or midfield to keep things together when things go against us.
With a bit of luck we'll be relegated after the next match, at which point we can get in a new manager and start sorting out the squad. Some of those players are worth keeping and they need to be kept on side otherwise they'll be off. I hope some of those players never play for Villa again.
posted on 2/4/16
Aye, Villa going down feels different to the likes of Newcastle and Leeds who have bounced around the divisions a lot during over their history. Villa have haven't been relegated during the PL era and have only been relegated once in 49 years.
They've been badly run from the top down, an owner who didn't seem to understand the nature of football and the constant need to fund the team and none of the hierarchy who were in place at the start of the season seemed to be qualified to do the job.
They had a Chief Exec. who had never done the job before, same with the sporting director and chief scout, they've brought average football league players , cheap imports from abroad and experienced players like Lescott and Richards who either aren't bothered or just aren't good enough anymore.
I don't think you can blame Remi Garde or Tim Sherwood, they obviously care and wanted to do well but the players either didn't care, or simple aeren't good enough for the PL.
Shambles of a club who are going down in a pretty pathetic manner. They have brought some "football people" to the club now though and there's rumors that David Moyes would consider dropping into the Championship for the Villa job (and only the Villa jon btw), due to the potential of the club.
posted on 2/4/16
The Process
They didn't make that much difference. Villas problems are entirely made through the arrogance of their owner.
posted on 2/4/16
Villa will find it tough in the championship.
posted on 2/4/16
The fans have been let down by the owner/board it's awful to see
posted on 2/4/16
The villa fans loved Lerner when he came in, They alsO gave O Neill a lot of stick despite 3 top 6 finishes.
posted on 2/4/16
MON only started getting stick in his final season when he bought some players barely better than those he dropped to the bench, used his favourite 11 throughout, and ran out of steam towards the end of the season because of it. And clubs caught onto his counter-attacking style to which he didn't have an alternative. With players like Young, Downing and Carew in the attack, and Milner in mid field, fans thought we should be moving forwards and weren't. Otherwise, he had a lot of support from the fans.
posted on 2/4/16
Well the Villa fans I know blame O'Neill for the current mess claiming he overspent and the club never recovered from that. Not sure how he was supposed to take the next step without further backing from lerner
posted on 2/4/16
A mainstay of the top division.
***
not really ...if you know your history
posted on 2/4/16
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posted on 2/4/16
with threw deal coming into place Villa couldn't have picked a worse season to go down. It not like the have huge assists within the squad that to can demand huge fees for.
Get the next manager wrong and they could be out the top flight for a good while.
posted on 2/4/16
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
A mainstay of the top division.
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not really ...if you know your history
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What are you talking about?
Unless I'm very much mistaken, only one club has spent more time in the top flight of English football.
posted on 3/4/16
Moyes and Pearson are the best bets for sorting it out, BUT they have to have effective control of recruitment. Moyes at Everton was fanatical about knowing every last detail of the players they recruited, and it paid off; Everton had the players they needed. I reckon Pearson is the same. Neither will come if the structure doesn't allow that.
That means that however sensible on paper the structure looks, it has to be flexible enough to accommodate them. The previous board wouldn't have had that. This one has to if it wants Villa to recover anytime soon. I think those two are streets ahead of anybody else, but the board has to bend to get them. I wonder if it will
posted on 3/4/16
I'd love Roy Keane to get it
posted on 3/4/16
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 13 hours, 9 minutes ago
A mainstay of the top division.
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not really ...if you know your history
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Only Everton have been in the top division longer.
posted on 3/4/16
Given what has happened to the club since it does seem ridiculous that O'Neill was given stick. However, he did buy a lot of dross and if Lerner had given him more money to spend I don't think he would have spent it wisely in my opinion.
Ashley Young, Milner, Carew, Friedel, Petrov, Downing - all decent players and definitely good signings for the fees. None of them top quality it must be said: at the same time we were competing pretty much on a level-playing field with Spurs and they were buying the likes of Bale, Modric and Van der Vaart - all in a different league to any of the players we bought. Having said that, Spurs also spent dubiously during this time buying the likes of Palacios, Pavlyuchenko and Gomes for big money, and not forgetting Darren Bent.
Then again, those players Spurs bought were not really regulars and were pretty much squad players once Harry Redknapp put his stamp on the team. O'Neill, however, made players like Dunne, Warnock, Luke Young, Collins, Heskey, Cuellar and Curtis Davies regulars. Players like Reo Coker and Sidwell also played a lot of games, and Agbonlahor was made a key player despite regularly going missing for large chunks of the season. The players that actually were squad players were so average that O'Neill didn't have any faith in them, yet he sanctioned their signings (e.g. Beye, Salifou, Shorey). What I've noticed here is that the majority of the poor signings came in defence. When O'Neill came he inherited a side that nearly went down but still contained very good defenders in Laursen, Mellberg and Bouma. He decided to replace players of that sort of calibre (Laursen and Mellberg could have played for CL clubs - in fact Mellberg did go on to play for Juve) with t*t for tat players such as Collins and Warnock. Not sure how a manager as highly regarded as O'Neill could make such a huge lack of judgement. It's not exactly as if such players were cheap replacements either - Warnock was £8 million, Dunne £5 million, Collins £6 million, Cuellar £8 million. All of them were in their late 20s so they weren't exactly blessed with any potential either.
To be honest though it's easy to point fingers. O'Neill did what he came to do and got us competing, even if we were a long ball team with a lot of players who wouldn't ordinarily get near a top six team. The real blame needs to be pointed at Lerner. Despite what Ellis said (and I respect Ellis because I know he loves the club), Lerner is a nasty man with no love for this club. If he had any ounce of respect for the club and any feeling towards it he would not let it get in this state where it is rotten to the core and with no future chances of success. He has acted like the opportunistic capitalist he is, stubbornly trying to sell at a high price whilst we're in the PL and not lowering his value when it is clear that the club currently with the players it has is worth nowhere near £150 million. He should have accepted a lower price and got out, he's been milking all his money back over the years anyway when he has failed to invest in any players.
I can see a mutiny starting and it is all because of him. Who cares what he did in the first two or three years, that all goes out of the window when he has presided over absolute chaos over the last five years and it has led to the club being in its worst state for over 100 years. He really is a despicable human being as far as I'm concerned and an atrocious businessman at that.
posted on 3/4/16
1987 - good post, I agree with everything about MON. Think you're being a bit harsh anout Lerner, in the sense that, in my view, he's not so much nasty but unbelievably incompetent. He inherited his wealth, he didn't make it, and I reckon he has very little grasp on how to run an organisation. He probably does have strong feelings for the club (hope so, we need his cash still), but that's nowhere near enough. What worries me is that come the summer he may yet withhold support at a critical moment, as he has done in the past.
posted on 5/4/16
@RB&W (U2335)
A mainstay of the top division.
----
not really ...if you know your history
-------------------
As others have said, Villa have been in the top flight for more seasons than any other club except for Everton.
So, clearly, they are a mainstay of the top division.
You either need new history books or a new dictionary.
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