it's robbie savage mate, i wouldn't worry too much.
Have you?
Is your side better than 2 weeks ago?
anyone who takes that guy seriously should just top themselves.
So Barca and City could've strengthened by buying Benayoun and Arteta instead, who'd have thought it?
This is the idiot that claimed yesterday that craig bellamy was the premier leagues best player two seasons ago. No point listening to him at all
OMG Pie your here too.....!!!!!
and to answer your question its YES
We lost Nasri and Fabs but it was our defence that needed addressing and it has...
Fabs has been injured a lot and Nasri had 3 months of being great and before and after that he was OK.
We have Gervinho and he is Nasri's replacement and as you may have seen he is tearing the defences up.
With Arteta we have someone who can pass and split defences like Fabregas. He is not as good as him but Arteta will fill the void.
What most people seem to forget is we have played without Wilshere, without Song and Gervinho (for last 2 games due to their ban) and TV, Sagna, Gibbs, Wilshere, Gervinho in the Man U game. Thats half the team gone and our reserves either banned or injured as well.
Its not an excuse as we should have had better replacements...so this alone will show you we have improved our squad.
Pie eater, what if we hadn't bought them in? Would our squad be as promising as it is now?
A sence a lot of concern amongs fans from other teams. C'mon the hooners
Have you?
Is your side better than 2 weeks ago?
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Undoubtedly
Robbie Savage is a waste of space, I really wonder how he got the job!
Oi, I was here first!
I honestly can't believe that anyone thinks Arsenal are stronger, and it's not like you couldn't have just bought a couple of centre backs without selling...
and Remember wilshere is yet to get back so with him and arteta in midfield it will be
Savage has got a point.
It would seem it dosent take too long for fans of any club to lower their expectations as regards the quality of player they will readily accept.
If you had said to an arsenal fan 18 months ago, youll lose fabregas, and nasri, but fear not, benayoun, and arteta will replace them, youd have been laughed at.
Yet since the recent turmoil, and lack of transfer activity at the emirates, it would seem that due to this panic, and doubt surrounding players coming in, some arsenal fans seem eager to kid themselves that either, or both of these players is anything other than a major stepdown to what they had before.
Of course, they will have made the numbers up, as regards two players out, and two coming in, but in terms of quality, they are both a major step down to what came before them.
Arsenal will continue to struggle in the league this year, and have pretty much wrote off any chance of finishing in the top four.
If you had said to an arsenal fan 18 months ago, youll lose fabregas, and nasri, but fear not, benayoun, and arteta will replace them, youd have been laughed at.
That's it in a nutshell! He's correct!
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The concern for Arsenal being show by others is touching. Obviously come to the Arsenal board to witness intelligent conversation - shame they are not able to contribute
Re Robbie Savage. The guy is a complete tool who is incapable of making a sensible comment. He disagrees with whoever he is talking to and generally talks complete ****. Listening to him on 5 Live on Wednesday, I was almost embarrassed for the guy. I switched off in the end because I could not stand to listen to any more of his nasal whiney Welsh garbage. Told Martin Keown that Mertsacker was a poor signing because he "was rubbish at Madrid"
Unfortunately for all of us, Mr Savage is a mediocre ex-footballer and a worse pundit with a flappy gob and not much behind it.
In some ways he has a point - of course he does. No club could replace a player like Fabregas without spending that's only really affordable by 2 or 3 clubs in the PL. Nasri too, to a lesser extent.
As Arsenal FC aren't one of those it follows there would not be like for like replacements, therefore in some ways the team is 'lacking' over last season.
However, since most opinion in the punditry world last season was telling the club it had to get it's defence in order, and since this is exactly what the manager has done, it seems statements like this from Mr Savage merely serve to make him look an even bigger idiot in the eyes of many AFC supporters.
Look, arguing that we are weaker and are settling for panic buys because 'we wouldn't have swapped Arteta and Benayoun for Fabregas and Nasri at the start of the summer' is a very flawed argument.
These two aren't meant to be replacements for these players. The truth is, there simply isn't a like for like replacement for Fabregas, and if there was he would be well out of our price range. In fact the only midfielders who even come close to his creative ability are now his new team mates. We are in a period of transition, and Arteta in particular is a spot on signing by Wenger.
Cesc's true heirs to the Arsenal throne as it were, are located internally in Wilshere and Ramsey, but they aren't quite ready to fill that void just yet. By bringing in two proven, established creative premier league players Arsene will greatly enhance the two youngsters' development.
This is exactly what we've been crying out for Arsene to do for years, bring in experience for the 'kids' to learn from, and now people are criticising him.
Regarding this change of emphasis and how it can benefit teams, I give the example of Manchester United. When Ronaldo left, they 'replaced' him with Antonio Valecia. Obviously he was no where near as talented as the Portuguese superstar, but instead they focused their team around rooney, and whatever you may think about him as a player, it has certainly paid off.
I'm very happy with our acquisitions and think this bit of shrewd business will pay off greatly.
Thanks Christhegunner - saved me typing much the same thing
I amazed so many see things in their simple, black and white way - you're spot on.
With Savage and the Pie eater siding with one another you must be quaking in your boots. What the **** has it got to do with either of them?
These two aren't meant to be replacements for these players.
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That's exactly what they are.
As for the quality of Arteta, well Im sure Everton fans could put you straight on his lack of quality over the last couple of seasons, and the fact alone, at the age of 29, he hasnt represented his country, tells you all you need to now about the drop in standards, as regards the quality of player you have in your team currently.
"That's exactly what they are."
You should have read the rest of the post, you might just learn a thing or two.
I did read the rest of the post, which basicly contradicted its self.
Obviously unless you genetically cloned Fabregas, or Nasri, you could never truly replace them with the exact same player, with the exact same ability.
I said they were replacements for them, which is what they are.
Fabregas and Nasri left, Arteta and Benayoun arrived.
If Arteta and Benayoun were a goalkeeper, and full back, then yes, you could argue that they are not replacements for the two that left.
But they are not.
They are two players who play similar roles as the two you have sold.
Therefore, wait for it, that makes them replacements.
Not particularly great ones Ill admit, but replacements none the less.
Ah whatever - you're clearly far more clued up than I. No point arguing with such impeccable logic.
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posted on 2/9/11
it's robbie savage mate, i wouldn't worry too much.
posted on 2/9/11
Have you?
Is your side better than 2 weeks ago?
posted on 2/9/11
Unquestionably
posted on 2/9/11
anyone who takes that guy seriously should just top themselves.
posted on 2/9/11
So Barca and City could've strengthened by buying Benayoun and Arteta instead, who'd have thought it?
posted on 2/9/11
This is the idiot that claimed yesterday that craig bellamy was the premier leagues best player two seasons ago. No point listening to him at all
posted on 2/9/11
OMG Pie your here too.....!!!!!
and to answer your question its YES
We lost Nasri and Fabs but it was our defence that needed addressing and it has...
Fabs has been injured a lot and Nasri had 3 months of being great and before and after that he was OK.
We have Gervinho and he is Nasri's replacement and as you may have seen he is tearing the defences up.
With Arteta we have someone who can pass and split defences like Fabregas. He is not as good as him but Arteta will fill the void.
What most people seem to forget is we have played without Wilshere, without Song and Gervinho (for last 2 games due to their ban) and TV, Sagna, Gibbs, Wilshere, Gervinho in the Man U game. Thats half the team gone and our reserves either banned or injured as well.
Its not an excuse as we should have had better replacements...so this alone will show you we have improved our squad.
posted on 2/9/11
Pie eater, what if we hadn't bought them in? Would our squad be as promising as it is now?
posted on 2/9/11
A sence a lot of concern amongs fans from other teams. C'mon the hooners
posted on 2/9/11
Have you?
Is your side better than 2 weeks ago?
---------------------------
Undoubtedly
Robbie Savage is a waste of space, I really wonder how he got the job!
posted on 2/9/11
Oi, I was here first!
I honestly can't believe that anyone thinks Arsenal are stronger, and it's not like you couldn't have just bought a couple of centre backs without selling...
posted on 2/9/11
and Remember wilshere is yet to get back so with him and arteta in midfield it will be
posted on 2/9/11
Savage has got a point.
It would seem it dosent take too long for fans of any club to lower their expectations as regards the quality of player they will readily accept.
If you had said to an arsenal fan 18 months ago, youll lose fabregas, and nasri, but fear not, benayoun, and arteta will replace them, youd have been laughed at.
Yet since the recent turmoil, and lack of transfer activity at the emirates, it would seem that due to this panic, and doubt surrounding players coming in, some arsenal fans seem eager to kid themselves that either, or both of these players is anything other than a major stepdown to what they had before.
Of course, they will have made the numbers up, as regards two players out, and two coming in, but in terms of quality, they are both a major step down to what came before them.
Arsenal will continue to struggle in the league this year, and have pretty much wrote off any chance of finishing in the top four.
posted on 2/9/11
If you had said to an arsenal fan 18 months ago, youll lose fabregas, and nasri, but fear not, benayoun, and arteta will replace them, youd have been laughed at.
That's it in a nutshell! He's correct!
posted on 2/9/11
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posted on 2/9/11
The concern for Arsenal being show by others is touching. Obviously come to the Arsenal board to witness intelligent conversation - shame they are not able to contribute
posted on 2/9/11
Re Robbie Savage. The guy is a complete tool who is incapable of making a sensible comment. He disagrees with whoever he is talking to and generally talks complete ****. Listening to him on 5 Live on Wednesday, I was almost embarrassed for the guy. I switched off in the end because I could not stand to listen to any more of his nasal whiney Welsh garbage. Told Martin Keown that Mertsacker was a poor signing because he "was rubbish at Madrid"
posted on 2/9/11
Unfortunately for all of us, Mr Savage is a mediocre ex-footballer and a worse pundit with a flappy gob and not much behind it.
In some ways he has a point - of course he does. No club could replace a player like Fabregas without spending that's only really affordable by 2 or 3 clubs in the PL. Nasri too, to a lesser extent.
As Arsenal FC aren't one of those it follows there would not be like for like replacements, therefore in some ways the team is 'lacking' over last season.
However, since most opinion in the punditry world last season was telling the club it had to get it's defence in order, and since this is exactly what the manager has done, it seems statements like this from Mr Savage merely serve to make him look an even bigger idiot in the eyes of many AFC supporters.
posted on 2/9/11
Look, arguing that we are weaker and are settling for panic buys because 'we wouldn't have swapped Arteta and Benayoun for Fabregas and Nasri at the start of the summer' is a very flawed argument.
These two aren't meant to be replacements for these players. The truth is, there simply isn't a like for like replacement for Fabregas, and if there was he would be well out of our price range. In fact the only midfielders who even come close to his creative ability are now his new team mates. We are in a period of transition, and Arteta in particular is a spot on signing by Wenger.
Cesc's true heirs to the Arsenal throne as it were, are located internally in Wilshere and Ramsey, but they aren't quite ready to fill that void just yet. By bringing in two proven, established creative premier league players Arsene will greatly enhance the two youngsters' development.
This is exactly what we've been crying out for Arsene to do for years, bring in experience for the 'kids' to learn from, and now people are criticising him.
Regarding this change of emphasis and how it can benefit teams, I give the example of Manchester United. When Ronaldo left, they 'replaced' him with Antonio Valecia. Obviously he was no where near as talented as the Portuguese superstar, but instead they focused their team around rooney, and whatever you may think about him as a player, it has certainly paid off.
I'm very happy with our acquisitions and think this bit of shrewd business will pay off greatly.
posted on 2/9/11
Thanks Christhegunner - saved me typing much the same thing
I amazed so many see things in their simple, black and white way - you're spot on.
posted on 2/9/11
With Savage and the Pie eater siding with one another you must be quaking in your boots. What the **** has it got to do with either of them?
posted on 2/9/11
These two aren't meant to be replacements for these players.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's exactly what they are.
As for the quality of Arteta, well Im sure Everton fans could put you straight on his lack of quality over the last couple of seasons, and the fact alone, at the age of 29, he hasnt represented his country, tells you all you need to now about the drop in standards, as regards the quality of player you have in your team currently.
posted on 2/9/11
"That's exactly what they are."
You should have read the rest of the post, you might just learn a thing or two.
posted on 2/9/11
I did read the rest of the post, which basicly contradicted its self.
Obviously unless you genetically cloned Fabregas, or Nasri, you could never truly replace them with the exact same player, with the exact same ability.
I said they were replacements for them, which is what they are.
Fabregas and Nasri left, Arteta and Benayoun arrived.
If Arteta and Benayoun were a goalkeeper, and full back, then yes, you could argue that they are not replacements for the two that left.
But they are not.
They are two players who play similar roles as the two you have sold.
Therefore, wait for it, that makes them replacements.
Not particularly great ones Ill admit, but replacements none the less.
posted on 2/9/11
Ah whatever - you're clearly far more clued up than I. No point arguing with such impeccable logic.
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