Hard to argue with what you've just said.
I'm confused as to why the knives are suddenly out for us.
I like the interviews coming out of the club today. Feels business as usual. We need it to be that.
So the question is can it ever be a dive if there's contact?
yes, of course it can
As far as I'm concerned, a dive is going to ground when aren't forced to, If You can stay on your feet but choose to fall, that is a dive IMO.
As far as I'm concerned, a dive is going to ground when aren't forced to, If You can stay on your feet but choose to fall, that is a dive IMO.
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If that rule was enforced by referees across the board I think most fans would be happy with it to be honest. I certainly would be.
But I was thinking about the Vardy incident earlier (while I was 'working' ) and I cannot ever remember a referee giving a yellow for a dive where there's been that much obvious contact before.
Most officials only take such action on blatant dives where there's obviously been no contact whatsoever. On Sunday one referee took a renegade decision which is miles out of step with his colleagues - that's no way to clamp down on diving.
For the record, I'd be fine with Vardy having been booked if Aguero had got a yellow tonight as well. And Jeff Schlupp was more deserving of one for our penalty that was wrongly given at the end in my opinion.
Well Reid dived and there was contact, the problem was Morgan pulled him back, he didn't shove him in the back with his full force like Reid made it look.
Aguero is one of those players. Acts like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Gets treated favourably because he's little Sergio. Wouldn't harm a fly.
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 5 minutes ago
Aguero is one of those players. Acts like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Gets treated favourably because he's little Sergio. Wouldn't harm a fly.
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Kun is a sneaky little Kuunt. Wonderful player though.
Still at it?
I haven't seen the Aguero one today but with Vardy the hand from the CB wasn't enough to bring him down but beyond that if Vardy had just fell backwards or to the side he might have gotten a penalty for a pull.
What Vardy did was put his leg across the defender and then done a Robben-lite. It wasn't a natural fall from a hand on your shoulder and made the referee wave it away and give him a yellow for trying to fool him.
Also (and I know its not right) but the referees want to avoid giving penalties for small shoves in the box but Huth and Morgan kept on doing it again and again. The referee warned them about this and they were stupid enough to do it again 3 minutes after.
So when Huth was fouled in the area (again I know its not right) but having given both Huth and Morgan the benefit of doubt plenty of times it would have seemed unfair penalising Ogbonna for his first.
Also, for Vardy's first yellow, Leicester had committed several challenges before hand and it got to the point were the next challenge was going to be booked. Vardy went in for the slide tackle and the referee gave one to him.
It's never going to be a consistent decision amongst refs because theres alot to consider. Whether the player fell over to easy or moved in front of defender or if the defender had previously fouled alot etc.
comment by whoskissingcamerasinoz (U1703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 5 minutes ago
Aguero is one of those players. Acts like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Gets treated favourably because he's little Sergio. Wouldn't harm a fly.
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Kun is a sneaky little Kuunt. Wonderful player though.
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Yep.
"Also, for Vardy's first yellow, Leicester had committed several challenges before hand and it got to the point were the next challenge was going to be booked."
So is that normal now, a player gets booked for a harmless challenge because others have committed fouls?
We're now guaranteed at least third, by the way.
Barring Jon Moss's request for a points deduction.
Have you seen the replay looking down the pitch? 100% tripped him
Gratedbean - Aguero quite clearly deliberately kicks Mbemba's standing leg and then throws himself to the ground.
Boss by Hugo - I was more trying to point out the infuriating inconsistency. And there is absolutely no reason why the refs can't be consistent.
They will make mistakes of course - they're human. But the thing is the discrepancy in this case isn't about mistakes it's about the decision making process.
Moss and Friend both clearly saw virtually identical events and yet they took very different decisions based on the same parameters.
There isn't really any excuse for that. Refs should know how to interpret similar situations with a degree of consistency - that's what they go through training for.
He catches him first, and then Aguero leaves his leg in to make sure he goes over it. Generally they're given too these days, as we found out against PSG...
I think they should change the rules so pens are only given for denial of a goal scoring opportunity, inside or outside the box.
Too many pens given for players diving in positions where they are nowhere near scoring a goal.
It should be the chance of scoring that determines whether you gets free shot at goal from 12 yards, not whether you are on the touch line at an angle with 6 players in front of you.
With the Vardy incident I am absolutely convinced that the reason Vardy went down was not a dive nor the dafenders hand on his shoulder. If you look at the replays the defender catches Vardy's right foot. Vardy was travelling at speed and a clip to your foot is just like a tap tackle in rugby. It looks like an exaggerated dive from the reverse angle but from head-on Vardy was definately caught on the foot while he was running into the box. Take a closer look at Vardy's and the defenders feet when the contact happend.
A dive to me is no contact and I don't care what anyone says it wasn't a dive. He played for it and running at pace like that with legs tangled he went down. Wasn't a penalty but it was never a dive, not in a million years!
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 23 hours, 29 minutes ago
"Also, for Vardy's first yellow, Leicester had committed several challenges before hand and it got to the point were the next challenge was going to be booked."
So is that normal now, a player gets booked for a harmless challenge because others have committed fouls?
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It's a team game.
If Drinkwater murders the linesman, the others get done for joint venture.
comment by This Is Madness (U1209)
posted 23 hours, 15 minutes ago
Gratedbean - Aguero quite clearly deliberately kicks Mbemba's standing leg and then throws himself to the ground.
Boss by Hugo - I was more trying to point out the infuriating inconsistency. And there is absolutely no reason why the refs can't be consistent.
They will make mistakes of course - they're human. But the thing is the discrepancy in this case isn't about mistakes it's about the decision making process.
Moss and Friend both clearly saw virtually identical events and yet they took very different decisions based on the same parameters.
There isn't really any excuse for that. Refs should know how to interpret similar situations with a degree of consistency - that's what they go through training for.
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That's what makes life interesting.
Particularly for Spurs fans.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Interesting development overnight: Vardy has a defender in none other than Roy Hodgson, who says his opinion is that the reaction was relatively understandable and that Vardy's been done an injustice.
Quite a statement to make on the eve of Vardy's "sentence"...
comment by foREVer irREVerend (U18331)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
What is a dive?
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ask Jamie Vardy - I doubt he'll be doing it in future
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He didn't dive in the first place!!
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Interesting development overnight: Vardy has a defender in none other than Roy Hodgson, who says his opinion is that the reaction was relatively understandable and that Vardy's been done an injustice.
Quite a statement to make on the eve of Vardy's "sentence"...
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That concerns me greatly that he feels the need to make such an extraordinary statement, I hope he hasn't heard that an example will be made of Vardy!
Vardy plays for England now so will be treated leniently like all England players before him.
The FA never punish England players the same way as others.
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posted on 19/4/16
Hard to argue with what you've just said.
I'm confused as to why the knives are suddenly out for us.
I like the interviews coming out of the club today. Feels business as usual. We need it to be that.
posted on 19/4/16
So the question is can it ever be a dive if there's contact?
yes, of course it can
posted on 19/4/16
As far as I'm concerned, a dive is going to ground when aren't forced to, If You can stay on your feet but choose to fall, that is a dive IMO.
posted on 19/4/16
As far as I'm concerned, a dive is going to ground when aren't forced to, If You can stay on your feet but choose to fall, that is a dive IMO.
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If that rule was enforced by referees across the board I think most fans would be happy with it to be honest. I certainly would be.
But I was thinking about the Vardy incident earlier (while I was 'working' ) and I cannot ever remember a referee giving a yellow for a dive where there's been that much obvious contact before.
Most officials only take such action on blatant dives where there's obviously been no contact whatsoever. On Sunday one referee took a renegade decision which is miles out of step with his colleagues - that's no way to clamp down on diving.
For the record, I'd be fine with Vardy having been booked if Aguero had got a yellow tonight as well. And Jeff Schlupp was more deserving of one for our penalty that was wrongly given at the end in my opinion.
posted on 19/4/16
Well Reid dived and there was contact, the problem was Morgan pulled him back, he didn't shove him in the back with his full force like Reid made it look.
posted on 19/4/16
Aguero is one of those players. Acts like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Gets treated favourably because he's little Sergio. Wouldn't harm a fly.
posted on 19/4/16
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 5 minutes ago
Aguero is one of those players. Acts like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Gets treated favourably because he's little Sergio. Wouldn't harm a fly.
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Kun is a sneaky little Kuunt. Wonderful player though.
posted on 19/4/16
Still at it?
I haven't seen the Aguero one today but with Vardy the hand from the CB wasn't enough to bring him down but beyond that if Vardy had just fell backwards or to the side he might have gotten a penalty for a pull.
What Vardy did was put his leg across the defender and then done a Robben-lite. It wasn't a natural fall from a hand on your shoulder and made the referee wave it away and give him a yellow for trying to fool him.
Also (and I know its not right) but the referees want to avoid giving penalties for small shoves in the box but Huth and Morgan kept on doing it again and again. The referee warned them about this and they were stupid enough to do it again 3 minutes after.
So when Huth was fouled in the area (again I know its not right) but having given both Huth and Morgan the benefit of doubt plenty of times it would have seemed unfair penalising Ogbonna for his first.
Also, for Vardy's first yellow, Leicester had committed several challenges before hand and it got to the point were the next challenge was going to be booked. Vardy went in for the slide tackle and the referee gave one to him.
It's never going to be a consistent decision amongst refs because theres alot to consider. Whether the player fell over to easy or moved in front of defender or if the defender had previously fouled alot etc.
posted on 19/4/16
comment by whoskissingcamerasinoz (U1703)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 5 minutes ago
Aguero is one of those players. Acts like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Gets treated favourably because he's little Sergio. Wouldn't harm a fly.
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Kun is a sneaky little Kuunt. Wonderful player though.
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Yep.
posted on 19/4/16
"Also, for Vardy's first yellow, Leicester had committed several challenges before hand and it got to the point were the next challenge was going to be booked."
So is that normal now, a player gets booked for a harmless challenge because others have committed fouls?
posted on 19/4/16
We're now guaranteed at least third, by the way.
Barring Jon Moss's request for a points deduction.
posted on 19/4/16
Have you seen the replay looking down the pitch? 100% tripped him
posted on 19/4/16
Gratedbean - Aguero quite clearly deliberately kicks Mbemba's standing leg and then throws himself to the ground.
Boss by Hugo - I was more trying to point out the infuriating inconsistency. And there is absolutely no reason why the refs can't be consistent.
They will make mistakes of course - they're human. But the thing is the discrepancy in this case isn't about mistakes it's about the decision making process.
Moss and Friend both clearly saw virtually identical events and yet they took very different decisions based on the same parameters.
There isn't really any excuse for that. Refs should know how to interpret similar situations with a degree of consistency - that's what they go through training for.
posted on 19/4/16
He catches him first, and then Aguero leaves his leg in to make sure he goes over it. Generally they're given too these days, as we found out against PSG...
posted on 20/4/16
I think they should change the rules so pens are only given for denial of a goal scoring opportunity, inside or outside the box.
Too many pens given for players diving in positions where they are nowhere near scoring a goal.
It should be the chance of scoring that determines whether you gets free shot at goal from 12 yards, not whether you are on the touch line at an angle with 6 players in front of you.
posted on 20/4/16
With the Vardy incident I am absolutely convinced that the reason Vardy went down was not a dive nor the dafenders hand on his shoulder. If you look at the replays the defender catches Vardy's right foot. Vardy was travelling at speed and a clip to your foot is just like a tap tackle in rugby. It looks like an exaggerated dive from the reverse angle but from head-on Vardy was definately caught on the foot while he was running into the box. Take a closer look at Vardy's and the defenders feet when the contact happend.
posted on 20/4/16
A dive to me is no contact and I don't care what anyone says it wasn't a dive. He played for it and running at pace like that with legs tangled he went down. Wasn't a penalty but it was never a dive, not in a million years!
posted on 20/4/16
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 23 hours, 29 minutes ago
"Also, for Vardy's first yellow, Leicester had committed several challenges before hand and it got to the point were the next challenge was going to be booked."
So is that normal now, a player gets booked for a harmless challenge because others have committed fouls?
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It's a team game.
If Drinkwater murders the linesman, the others get done for joint venture.
posted on 20/4/16
comment by This Is Madness (U1209)
posted 23 hours, 15 minutes ago
Gratedbean - Aguero quite clearly deliberately kicks Mbemba's standing leg and then throws himself to the ground.
Boss by Hugo - I was more trying to point out the infuriating inconsistency. And there is absolutely no reason why the refs can't be consistent.
They will make mistakes of course - they're human. But the thing is the discrepancy in this case isn't about mistakes it's about the decision making process.
Moss and Friend both clearly saw virtually identical events and yet they took very different decisions based on the same parameters.
There isn't really any excuse for that. Refs should know how to interpret similar situations with a degree of consistency - that's what they go through training for.
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That's what makes life interesting.
Particularly for Spurs fans.
posted on 20/4/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 20/4/16
Interesting development overnight: Vardy has a defender in none other than Roy Hodgson, who says his opinion is that the reaction was relatively understandable and that Vardy's been done an injustice.
Quite a statement to make on the eve of Vardy's "sentence"...
posted on 21/4/16
comment by foREVer irREVerend (U18331)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
What is a dive?
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ask Jamie Vardy - I doubt he'll be doing it in future
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He didn't dive in the first place!!
posted on 21/4/16
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Interesting development overnight: Vardy has a defender in none other than Roy Hodgson, who says his opinion is that the reaction was relatively understandable and that Vardy's been done an injustice.
Quite a statement to make on the eve of Vardy's "sentence"...
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That concerns me greatly that he feels the need to make such an extraordinary statement, I hope he hasn't heard that an example will be made of Vardy!
posted on 21/4/16
Vardy plays for England now so will be treated leniently like all England players before him.
The FA never punish England players the same way as others.
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