You are the man NY

NY you missed 2 of the 3 biggest let down.
Ats yes but u should mention Chaplow and Keegan who when have played have been nothing short of a disgrace.
Those 3 in my humble opinion have really let us down

I tend to think you could perm any three out of twenty Lanzo and you would still be right.

I listened to radio commentary today.
Rowe and Coppinger were cited as our best players.
Reading Yankees and Lanzas comments on here I decided to read what was written on VSC by people who were at the game.
Confirmation.
The general comments are that Rowe and Coppinger WERE IN FACT our best players today.

Those 3 are the biggest culprits.
And the 2 managers let themselves down.
Spitting your dummy out and dropping Butler was unforgivable and that one act of petulance may well hVe got us relegated on its own

Hound they sang his name at Chesterfield after the match finished were he was pants.
I dont know what he was like today

My problem with Coppinger Hound was not his open play, it was that he was taking every free kick and corner and was often unable to beat the first man, something he has been guilty of most of the season. As for the best players, Rowe definitely but listening to Buckley, he felt that McCullough was having a tremendous game.

Those 3 are the biggest culprits.
And the 2 managers let themselves down.
Spitting your dummy out and dropping Butler was unforgivable and that one act of petulance may well hVe got us relegated on its own

Garbage! If yoy cant beat the worse team in the league you deserve to go down with them. Our easiest game of the remaining fixtures and we balls it up! Plenty to sort out for next season players who stays who goes? Does fergie stay or go? Will the board put any money in?

I agree about DF and the Butler thing Lanza and I am still very much in the Fergie out camp.
However, your lambasting of Coppinger is ridiculous really.
He is consistently one of our best players but you are not able to see beyond your undoubted bias against him.
As for the corners Yankee, do you know whether it was a plan to try and hit someone at the near post from corners?
At the last two or three games I have been to there has been much variation on the corners and free kick, many if which Copps has taken and we have looked very dangerous as a result.
In fact we have scored from them recently too.
So Yankee, just because Copps didn't get some corners beyond the first man you think it is justifiable to say he has been stealing his wages when he has in fact been one if our better players today and all season?

Azusa, I am with you on this, in our situation we had to beat the worst team in the division.
Fergie has to go now and we can start afresh in the summer.
No doubt that the board will issue the usual "we will provide the manager with a big playing budget and nothing less than promotion will do" statement but if DF is here in August I reckon we will struggle again.

Sorry about the Azusa thing Azza, bloody predictive text on my phone.

I dont think it matters who comes in Hound if DF goes the board are the big culprits here in our downfall not just league 1 to league 2 but from the championship. Its ok just putting in bits and pieces to supposedly keep us a float but we missed a trick when we went up with bournemouth they spent we didnt same again this season. Journeymen freebies and young loanees dont do the business

Hound you have hit the bottom now, what manager would TELL a player to always hit the first man from corners or free kicks.

As for the open play I was referring to today, not the season where going by commentaries which is all I have to go on. Maybe he has been held back by being Captain, a roll I fear he is not up to.

He may do OK himself but he is not a motivator, I get the impression he likes to be liked.

We needed a Jones type as manager but unfortunately we did not bring on a replacement for him as either a centre back or a captain. We did have Jones, but because of his injuries he was not able to play, something I think many of us were pleased about for his health's sake. However, we did miss him or someone like him.

Buck stops with the board. Since JR left we've gone backwards every season.if Fergie does get the sack I hope he waivers the extra money for keeping his mouth closed and tells everyone what has been going off behind the scenes. Especially how much he's had to spend compared to what they've said. Not holding my breath though.
Williams. ..... up front. ....... joke conversion rate.
Defence has cost us dearly with mistake after mistake. .... it's OK doing it in training cos it's only Williams and he keeps missing.

Yankee you did actually say that "Coppinger and a few others have stolen their money this season". It is there in black and white.
As you also said, you have to rely on commentaries, from RP as well which you tell us is poor.
I go to games so was giving you a more accurate observation, that is all.
As for not beating the first man, well that also isn't accurate.
Copps does vary the corners, some are aimed at Butler, usually beyond the centre of goal, and others ARE aimed at near post runners like Rowe.

It is the hope that kills you. I lost mine at Scunthorpe and, despite the two wins and a draw, following the recruitment of Rowe and McSheffrey I never doubted that we would be relegated. I can't speak about Rowe, McSheffrey or Matthews as I haven't seen them play for us but I suspect the uptick in form was down to them. It has been clear all season that McCullough is a class player as a DM or RB, just not quite quick enough for CB. Coppinger has been ok but is long past his best and takes time to get over injuries. Evina looked great then anonymous and while Tyson ran himself silly but he also is a bit past his best. Williams is a show pony and Stewart is a luxury we can't afford. It will be a big job keeping the club out of the Conference.

Albi almost spot on.
Bit of praise for butler.
Like the show pony bit