The linesman was looking at the back of Dembele's head, tbf.
Doubt he saw it and ignored it, apart from the obstructed view there was also a lot going on that would have had the linesmans attention.
Also, it is a terrible rule that says a player can get away with something just because the ref (or linesman) thinks he has seen it clearly.
Whether a ref sees it or not a player should still face punishment.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also, it is a terrible rule that says a player can get away with something just because the ref (or linesman) thinks he has seen it clearly.
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It's actually downright ridiculous the more you think about it. The whole point of retrospective action is to correct the wrongs and punish players for something that wasn't judged correctly. If a referee claims he saw it but got it wrong then it's his mistake, players shouldn't get away with it because the ref made a mistake.
The one that I always remember is when Rooney ran half way up the pitch to elbow a player on the back of the head only for the ref to say he saw it so the FA couldn't do anything. Ridiculous.
That was against Wigan wasn't it. TooR? Maybe McCarthy?
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posted 1 minute ago
That was against Wigan wasn't it. TooR? Maybe McCarthy?
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Can't remember who it was against. Also Fellaini elbows players nearly every week and gets away with it. I know it seems like I'm picking on United but they're just the ones that stick in my mind. Costa also committed two stamps on Liverpool players and was only punished for one as I believe he got a yellow for one of them.
How in the world has his elbow on Huth not been punished? A smaller man might have been knocked out.
Michael Oliver thought this deliberate and violent tackle only deserved a yellow card https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hManetawDc
It should have been a red card all day long and this incident saw no punishment at all, either on the pitch or retrospectively. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Suarez.png
There is zero consistency, neither at the FA or with referees, a complete farce.
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 4 minutes ago
Michael Oliver thought this deliberate and violent tackle only deserved a yellow cardhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hManetawDc
It should have been a red card all day long and this incident saw no punishment at all, either on the pitch or retrospectively. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Suarez.png
There is zero consistency, neither at the FA or with referees, a complete farce.
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Usually when you try to volley the ball and catch the player high you get let off with a yellow. His remorse after and concern for Parker probably swayed it also. If you remember Nani's red card a couple of years ago got a red card and that was a ridiculous decision. There has to be some common sense in decisions also.
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posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 4 minutes ago
Michael Oliver thought this deliberate and violent tackle only deserved a yellow cardhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hManetawDc
It should have been a red card all day long and this incident saw no punishment at all, either on the pitch or retrospectively. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Suarez.png
There is zero consistency, neither at the FA or with referees, a complete farce.
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Usually when you try to volley the ball and catch the player high you get let off with a yellow. His remorse after and concern for Parker probably swayed it also. If you remember Nani's red card a couple of years ago got a red card and that was a ridiculous decision. There has to be some common sense in decisions also.
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Suarez is a known nasty piece of work though, he had plenty of form and that kick on Parker was every bit intentional, the ball was no where near.
He would intentionally kick or injure an opponent and immediately feign injury himself as if to say he is the victim. The remorse he shows is just pure guilt, he knows what he has done and uses that to try and escape punishment.
How the referee thought that only deserved a yellow card is comical.
Dele Alli playfully slaps a player in the stomach and gets (by the letter of the law) a 3 game ban, Suarez deliberately kicks players and gouges eyes etc, and escapes a ban.
There is no consistency, we have players being banned for mickey mouse incidents and others committing more serious indiscretions escaping without charge.
Its a complete farce.
Don't think there was anything playful about Alli's actions, tbf.
When did Suarez gouge a players eyes? You're just making things up now. Playfully punch? He turned around in rage and swung a body shot. It's as obvious a ban as they come. The Suarez one could have went either way but as I said referees tend to give yellow when a player is high having tried to volley the ball. If you look at the Nani red card I talked about you'll understand why.
I would like PL refs to have to analyse their own performance after every game - maybe along with an ex-player and the assessor and judge the decisions they have made (or not made).
Give them a chance to right wrongs or justify their opinion with video evidence (I think their reports are made from memory at the moment, so obviously easy to miss things).
Not as a blame exercise, and it may actually help improve their performance on match days?
Now they are professionals they shold be more accountable and more involved after games.
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posted 8 minutes ago
When did Suarez gouge a players eyes? You're just making things up now.
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The one that I always remember is when Rooney ran half way up the pitch to elbow a player on the back of the head only for the ref to say he saw it so the FA couldn't do anything. Ridiculous.
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Yes, the ref gave a yellow card for it. Different player, different ref, different decision. There is no consistency at all.
Remember a few years ago when Steven Gerrard smashed Michael Brown in the back of his head with his forearm off the ball. Ref missed it and it was referred to the FA. They saw nothing wrong with it...
The Fellaini/Huth situation at the weekend. Completely understand Fellaini reacting (if not agreeing entirely with the violence), but if he hadn't reacted I'm certain Huth wouldn't have received a ban (though he should anyway).
There was an incident a few weeks ago with Naismith of Norwich. He 'cupped' a Newcastle player by the balls. If the Newcastle player had reacted negatively to it (physicaly, or going down in a heap as if he was hurt) I'm sure Naismith would have been banned retrospectively. Plenty of inconsistencies.
I am remember Gerrard deliberately elbowing Bale in the back of the head as they went up for a header, no punishment was given at the time or after, they are not going to investigate the England captain are they. Similar things happen with Rooney also.
Then remember Defoe a few seasons ago, who had a retaliatory nibble after being scythed down, no punishment.
Inconsistencies galore.
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
When did Suarez gouge a players eyes? You're just making things up now.
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Never saw that before. Definite yellow for sure.
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posted 13 minutes ago
The one that I always remember is when Rooney ran half way up the pitch to elbow a player on the back of the head only for the ref to say he saw it so the FA couldn't do anything. Ridiculous.
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Yes, the ref gave a yellow card for it. Different player, different ref, different decision. There is no consistency at all.
Remember a few years ago when Steven Gerrard smashed Michael Brown in the back of his head with his forearm off the ball. Ref missed it and it was referred to the FA. They saw nothing wrong with it...
The Fellaini/Huth situation at the weekend. Completely understand Fellaini reacting (if not agreeing entirely with the violence), but if he hadn't reacted I'm certain Huth wouldn't have received a ban (though he should anyway).
There was an incident a few weeks ago with Naismith of Norwich. He 'cupped' a Newcastle player by the balls. If the Newcastle player had reacted negatively to it (physicaly, or going down in a heap as if he was hurt) I'm sure Naismith would have been banned retrospectively. Plenty of inconsistencies.
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Yeah, I'm off to watch the last English team in Europe!
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 minutes ago
I would like PL refs to have to analyse their own performance after every game - maybe along with an ex-player and the assessor and judge the decisions they have made (or not made).
Give them a chance to right wrongs or justify their opinion with video evidence (I think their reports are made from memory at the moment, so obviously easy to miss things).
Not as a blame exercise, and it may actually help improve their performance on match days?
Now they are professionals they shold be more accountable and more involved after games.
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Exactly. Refs and linesman quite blatantly bottle decisions and yet seemingly escape any censure or reprimand.
One I will always recall was in December 2013 when Eto'o quite clearly fouls Suarez in the box (at Chelsea) yet Webb completely bottles it - despite staring straight at it. Both some of the newspapers and also MNF highlighted the fact he could clearly see it and couldn't fathom why he didn't award it.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eto%27o+foul+on+suarez&rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB590GB590&hl=en-GB&biw=320&bih=492&tbm=isch&prmd=vni&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjay5yrysPMAhWnDcAKHQxtAFwQ_AUICigD&dpr=2#imgrc=1E_M85YGYSXunM%3A
Admittedly it's not a case of a player escaping a ban, but this is clearly an occasion where the ref has either bottled it or is totally blind and therefore not fit for purpose.
So basically, the victim here is Dembele...
Costa wound him up to the point where he had absolutely no control over his gross and fine motor skills and was physically impelled to attempt to remove Costa's eye with his fingers.
And then the evil linesman had the audacity, and sheer lack of moral compass, to say he hadn't seen the incident, ensuring that Dembele would be vulnerable to facing a higher suspension than he would have faced ordinarily with in-match punishment - with the ref being bound by only being able to show him a red card (three match ban).
Poor Dembele. I will pray for him
Georges,
The game is not perfect, mainly because it is wholly managed by human beings (refs. & their assistants). I suspect that many who complain are also the first to reject the role of technology to assist these humans. Look at how long it took to implement goal-line technology! It also doesn't help when you have many clowns on the sidelines( aka. managers) who do everything possible to discredit these game officials. Instead of complaining, I think that there are some things that could immediately upgrade the quality of the game:
- Certain decisions (to be decided by a panel or officials & owners) can be immediately reviewed for possible reversal. It might take time, but the increased speed of to-day's game and 100% game official perfection are no longer compatible. A maximum of two reviews per game per team would not be a problem.
- Players who put their hands on officials are automatically "red-carded". No Exceptions!
- ALL obvious cheating: eg. stealing yards on throw-ins or free kicks, placement of the ball on corner kicks, time wasting, shirt pulling (especially on corners), diving etc. etc. and those so-called professional fouls", etc. etc. need to be reviewed for punishment. Maybe these things should also have "temporary" sideline time (2-5 mins.) attached to the offense?
- Managers who leave their sideline location, especially if they enter the field of play, should be sent to the locker room immediately.
There are probably many other things that could improve the game, but merely criticizing the game officials will not make them better, however, assisting them will.
When all this smoke clears....... will we be playing the reserves in our final two matches.
We still want second spot, don't we?
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Ha ha, About Time I Had One of These, I like your comment, even though it comes from the opposition. I still maintain my central point, though, that what match officials say they have and have not seen in a game is not to be taken at face value. I even suspect that, in the aftermath of a controversial ninety minutes, they will often claim not to have seen an offence, as a way of explaining its going unpunished, because they know that is what the FA want - ie, to have the option of punishing the player as they see fit. The FA would rather have this freedom to decide for themselves than have their wishes frustrated by officials admitting that they had, unfortunately, seen the incident. Referees and linesmen know which side their bread is buttered and will not want to upset their paymasters any more than they have already done.
Karate type stance You're excuses are priceless.
Costa was lucky. Dembele's next move was to one inch punch his head off.
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posted on 5/5/16
The linesman was looking at the back of Dembele's head, tbf.
Doubt he saw it and ignored it, apart from the obstructed view there was also a lot going on that would have had the linesmans attention.
posted on 5/5/16
Also, it is a terrible rule that says a player can get away with something just because the ref (or linesman) thinks he has seen it clearly.
posted on 5/5/16
Whether a ref sees it or not a player should still face punishment.
posted on 5/5/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also, it is a terrible rule that says a player can get away with something just because the ref (or linesman) thinks he has seen it clearly.
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It's actually downright ridiculous the more you think about it. The whole point of retrospective action is to correct the wrongs and punish players for something that wasn't judged correctly. If a referee claims he saw it but got it wrong then it's his mistake, players shouldn't get away with it because the ref made a mistake.
The one that I always remember is when Rooney ran half way up the pitch to elbow a player on the back of the head only for the ref to say he saw it so the FA couldn't do anything. Ridiculous.
posted on 5/5/16
That was against Wigan wasn't it. TooR? Maybe McCarthy?
posted on 5/5/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
That was against Wigan wasn't it. TooR? Maybe McCarthy?
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Can't remember who it was against. Also Fellaini elbows players nearly every week and gets away with it. I know it seems like I'm picking on United but they're just the ones that stick in my mind. Costa also committed two stamps on Liverpool players and was only punished for one as I believe he got a yellow for one of them.
How in the world has his elbow on Huth not been punished? A smaller man might have been knocked out.
posted on 5/5/16
Michael Oliver thought this deliberate and violent tackle only deserved a yellow card https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hManetawDc
It should have been a red card all day long and this incident saw no punishment at all, either on the pitch or retrospectively. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Suarez.png
There is zero consistency, neither at the FA or with referees, a complete farce.
posted on 5/5/16
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 4 minutes ago
Michael Oliver thought this deliberate and violent tackle only deserved a yellow cardhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hManetawDc
It should have been a red card all day long and this incident saw no punishment at all, either on the pitch or retrospectively. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Suarez.png
There is zero consistency, neither at the FA or with referees, a complete farce.
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Usually when you try to volley the ball and catch the player high you get let off with a yellow. His remorse after and concern for Parker probably swayed it also. If you remember Nani's red card a couple of years ago got a red card and that was a ridiculous decision. There has to be some common sense in decisions also.
posted on 5/5/16
Nani's high volley*
posted on 5/5/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 4 minutes ago
Michael Oliver thought this deliberate and violent tackle only deserved a yellow cardhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hManetawDc
It should have been a red card all day long and this incident saw no punishment at all, either on the pitch or retrospectively. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Suarez.png
There is zero consistency, neither at the FA or with referees, a complete farce.
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Usually when you try to volley the ball and catch the player high you get let off with a yellow. His remorse after and concern for Parker probably swayed it also. If you remember Nani's red card a couple of years ago got a red card and that was a ridiculous decision. There has to be some common sense in decisions also.
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Suarez is a known nasty piece of work though, he had plenty of form and that kick on Parker was every bit intentional, the ball was no where near.
He would intentionally kick or injure an opponent and immediately feign injury himself as if to say he is the victim. The remorse he shows is just pure guilt, he knows what he has done and uses that to try and escape punishment.
How the referee thought that only deserved a yellow card is comical.
Dele Alli playfully slaps a player in the stomach and gets (by the letter of the law) a 3 game ban, Suarez deliberately kicks players and gouges eyes etc, and escapes a ban.
There is no consistency, we have players being banned for mickey mouse incidents and others committing more serious indiscretions escaping without charge.
Its a complete farce.
posted on 5/5/16
Don't think there was anything playful about Alli's actions, tbf.
posted on 5/5/16
When did Suarez gouge a players eyes? You're just making things up now. Playfully punch? He turned around in rage and swung a body shot. It's as obvious a ban as they come. The Suarez one could have went either way but as I said referees tend to give yellow when a player is high having tried to volley the ball. If you look at the Nani red card I talked about you'll understand why.
posted on 5/5/16
I would like PL refs to have to analyse their own performance after every game - maybe along with an ex-player and the assessor and judge the decisions they have made (or not made).
Give them a chance to right wrongs or justify their opinion with video evidence (I think their reports are made from memory at the moment, so obviously easy to miss things).
Not as a blame exercise, and it may actually help improve their performance on match days?
Now they are professionals they shold be more accountable and more involved after games.
posted on 5/5/16
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
When did Suarez gouge a players eyes? You're just making things up now.
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posted on 5/5/16
The one that I always remember is when Rooney ran half way up the pitch to elbow a player on the back of the head only for the ref to say he saw it so the FA couldn't do anything. Ridiculous.
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Yes, the ref gave a yellow card for it. Different player, different ref, different decision. There is no consistency at all.
Remember a few years ago when Steven Gerrard smashed Michael Brown in the back of his head with his forearm off the ball. Ref missed it and it was referred to the FA. They saw nothing wrong with it...
The Fellaini/Huth situation at the weekend. Completely understand Fellaini reacting (if not agreeing entirely with the violence), but if he hadn't reacted I'm certain Huth wouldn't have received a ban (though he should anyway).
There was an incident a few weeks ago with Naismith of Norwich. He 'cupped' a Newcastle player by the balls. If the Newcastle player had reacted negatively to it (physicaly, or going down in a heap as if he was hurt) I'm sure Naismith would have been banned retrospectively. Plenty of inconsistencies.
posted on 5/5/16
I am remember Gerrard deliberately elbowing Bale in the back of the head as they went up for a header, no punishment was given at the time or after, they are not going to investigate the England captain are they. Similar things happen with Rooney also.
Then remember Defoe a few seasons ago, who had a retaliatory nibble after being scythed down, no punishment.
Inconsistencies galore.
posted on 5/5/16
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
When did Suarez gouge a players eyes? You're just making things up now.
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Never saw that before. Definite yellow for sure.
posted on 5/5/16
comment by Poster McPostface (U15867)
posted 13 minutes ago
The one that I always remember is when Rooney ran half way up the pitch to elbow a player on the back of the head only for the ref to say he saw it so the FA couldn't do anything. Ridiculous.
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Yes, the ref gave a yellow card for it. Different player, different ref, different decision. There is no consistency at all.
Remember a few years ago when Steven Gerrard smashed Michael Brown in the back of his head with his forearm off the ball. Ref missed it and it was referred to the FA. They saw nothing wrong with it...
The Fellaini/Huth situation at the weekend. Completely understand Fellaini reacting (if not agreeing entirely with the violence), but if he hadn't reacted I'm certain Huth wouldn't have received a ban (though he should anyway).
There was an incident a few weeks ago with Naismith of Norwich. He 'cupped' a Newcastle player by the balls. If the Newcastle player had reacted negatively to it (physicaly, or going down in a heap as if he was hurt) I'm sure Naismith would have been banned retrospectively. Plenty of inconsistencies.
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Yeah, I'm off to watch the last English team in Europe!
posted on 5/5/16
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 23 minutes ago
I would like PL refs to have to analyse their own performance after every game - maybe along with an ex-player and the assessor and judge the decisions they have made (or not made).
Give them a chance to right wrongs or justify their opinion with video evidence (I think their reports are made from memory at the moment, so obviously easy to miss things).
Not as a blame exercise, and it may actually help improve their performance on match days?
Now they are professionals they shold be more accountable and more involved after games.
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Exactly. Refs and linesman quite blatantly bottle decisions and yet seemingly escape any censure or reprimand.
One I will always recall was in December 2013 when Eto'o quite clearly fouls Suarez in the box (at Chelsea) yet Webb completely bottles it - despite staring straight at it. Both some of the newspapers and also MNF highlighted the fact he could clearly see it and couldn't fathom why he didn't award it.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eto%27o+foul+on+suarez&rlz=1CDGOYI_enGB590GB590&hl=en-GB&biw=320&bih=492&tbm=isch&prmd=vni&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjay5yrysPMAhWnDcAKHQxtAFwQ_AUICigD&dpr=2#imgrc=1E_M85YGYSXunM%3A
Admittedly it's not a case of a player escaping a ban, but this is clearly an occasion where the ref has either bottled it or is totally blind and therefore not fit for purpose.
posted on 5/5/16
So basically, the victim here is Dembele...
Costa wound him up to the point where he had absolutely no control over his gross and fine motor skills and was physically impelled to attempt to remove Costa's eye with his fingers.
And then the evil linesman had the audacity, and sheer lack of moral compass, to say he hadn't seen the incident, ensuring that Dembele would be vulnerable to facing a higher suspension than he would have faced ordinarily with in-match punishment - with the ref being bound by only being able to show him a red card (three match ban).
Poor Dembele. I will pray for him
posted on 5/5/16
Georges,
The game is not perfect, mainly because it is wholly managed by human beings (refs. & their assistants). I suspect that many who complain are also the first to reject the role of technology to assist these humans. Look at how long it took to implement goal-line technology! It also doesn't help when you have many clowns on the sidelines( aka. managers) who do everything possible to discredit these game officials. Instead of complaining, I think that there are some things that could immediately upgrade the quality of the game:
- Certain decisions (to be decided by a panel or officials & owners) can be immediately reviewed for possible reversal. It might take time, but the increased speed of to-day's game and 100% game official perfection are no longer compatible. A maximum of two reviews per game per team would not be a problem.
- Players who put their hands on officials are automatically "red-carded". No Exceptions!
- ALL obvious cheating: eg. stealing yards on throw-ins or free kicks, placement of the ball on corner kicks, time wasting, shirt pulling (especially on corners), diving etc. etc. and those so-called professional fouls", etc. etc. need to be reviewed for punishment. Maybe these things should also have "temporary" sideline time (2-5 mins.) attached to the offense?
- Managers who leave their sideline location, especially if they enter the field of play, should be sent to the locker room immediately.
There are probably many other things that could improve the game, but merely criticizing the game officials will not make them better, however, assisting them will.
posted on 5/5/16
When all this smoke clears....... will we be playing the reserves in our final two matches.
We still want second spot, don't we?
posted on 5/5/16
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posted on 5/5/16
Ha ha, About Time I Had One of These, I like your comment, even though it comes from the opposition. I still maintain my central point, though, that what match officials say they have and have not seen in a game is not to be taken at face value. I even suspect that, in the aftermath of a controversial ninety minutes, they will often claim not to have seen an offence, as a way of explaining its going unpunished, because they know that is what the FA want - ie, to have the option of punishing the player as they see fit. The FA would rather have this freedom to decide for themselves than have their wishes frustrated by officials admitting that they had, unfortunately, seen the incident. Referees and linesmen know which side their bread is buttered and will not want to upset their paymasters any more than they have already done.
posted on 5/5/16
Karate type stance You're excuses are priceless.
Costa was lucky. Dembele's next move was to one inch punch his head off.
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