comment by #Ninja# (U18090)
posted 4 minutes ago
Bizzare cutting Drinkwater, and Henderson and Wilshere go.
Also Townsend is the only left footed attacker England have got. Its not like Sterling and Lallana have been outstanding this season
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I'm pretty certain Sturridge is left footed.
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
you quite clearly havent watched his link up play with Lindgard and Martial.
of course he will improve, he's 17 FFS, but Owen was only 18 when he made an impact.
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Owen had played about 50 EPL games when he went to the 98 WC.
He was young but even his experience dwarves that of Rashford.
I hope Rashford does well but I certainly have sympathy with the view that he's a bit raw.
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i dont agree, but the kid plays with no fear, has his feet firmly on the ground and is an unknown quantity.
in a team known for bottling,and big time charlies over the years sometimes having a player like that is a big bonus.
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 34 seconds ago
The Arsenal troll spouts a lot of gobbledygook but i support his salient point that Rashford should stay home.
This is the Euros we are talking about, are we picking international players now based on a stellar three months? Roy is showing himself to be the weakest of managers, kowtowing to the clamour.
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erm, three months is a third of the season, not exactly 2 or 3 games.
you pick your form players, or do you think he should pick the guy who has been shiiiit for 3 months but played well for the 6 before that?
mornoic post RC
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It is your prerogative ofc and i recognise my opinion on Rahsford's inclusion in the Euros is a minority one on the united board.
I just don't feel he should have gone. Sure, train with the squad, play a few friendlies but that's it.
Yes, he is in some form - but so are the other strikers.
Besides, it is not as if this England squad is lacking in fine strikers - it is arguably our best position currently.
Taking three central defenders - another silly act. Dropping one of the most in-form central midfieders to shoe-horn a callow 17-year old to me is not good management. Shades of Walcott to me - and look how that turned out.
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Defoe should have gone to the Euro's, he was terrific at Sunderland this season. 17 goals in a side battling relegation is amazing.
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i agree, Defoe was superb this season and should have at least been considered ahead of both Rashford and Sturridge.
I suspect that Wilshere is in there on pasty performances. IN the last world cup qualifiers he got motm after motm for england. He is a player who has shown that playing for his country means something to him and he has turned in a few match winning perfomrances. He is one of the few players we have who can truely lift the team. If he stays fit that is.
My biggest fear is we dont have anyone that can lift the team and limp out of the group stages like the world cup.
I've just read a good point that Drinkwater always picked Vardy out with a nice pass at Leicester this season, madness to not take that with you to the Euro's.
Rashford will, if he even manages to get on the pitch, be used as an impact player. Not too big a deal and even if he doesn't get a single minute I can understand why they'll want him in and around the England team. The only other alternative was Defoe, who has always been pretty average for England, so it's not like we've got some amazing player missing out because of him.
Our pool of talent is very limited. Another option in attack should be welcomed, especially when you look at how shiiiiiit our midfield and defence is. Need all the help we can get up front.
Hart
Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose
Dier
Wilshere Rooney
Alli
Kane Vardy
Now Drinkwater is out, Rooney seems like the best option. Maybe Milner or Henderson have a case but both are the epitome of averageness.
I think the players that have missed out wouldnt have made a great difference .And the ones that are going...wont make a great deal of difference either
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Defoe should have gone to the Euro's, he was terrific at Sunderland this season. 17 goals in a side battling relegation is amazing.
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i agree, Defoe was superb this season and should have at least been considered ahead of both Rashford and Sturridge.
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What's Defoe done at the highest level? Could never get in the Spurs team in his peak. Never used to turn up in the big games.
Hes had a good season for Sunderland for sure just like other strikers who play for relegation battling clubs but it doesn't mean they should play for England.
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 34 seconds ago
The Arsenal troll spouts a lot of gobbledygook but i support his salient point that Rashford should stay home.
This is the Euros we are talking about, are we picking international players now based on a stellar three months? Roy is showing himself to be the weakest of managers, kowtowing to the clamour.
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erm, three months is a third of the season, not exactly 2 or 3 games.
you pick your form players, or do you think he should pick the guy who has been shiiiit for 3 months but played well for the 6 before that?
mornoic post RC
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It is your prerogative ofc and i recognise my opinion on Rahsford's inclusion in the Euros is a minority one on the united board.
I just don't feel he should have gone. Sure, train with the squad, play a few friendlies but that's it.
Yes, he is in some form - but so are the other strikers.
Besides, it is not as if this England squad is lacking in fine strikers - it is arguably our best position currently.
Taking three central defenders - another silly act. Dropping one of the most in-form central midfieders to shoe-horn a callow 17-year old to me is not good management. Shades of Walcott to me - and look how that turned out.
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i agree with the 3 CB's.
i think the idea is if there were injuries, Dier would drop back, which makes the dropping of Drinkwater more strange.
i do think people need to look past what Leicester have done this season though to a point.
Lets be honest, Drinkwater could just be that type of player that suits a certain system.
he hasnt overly impressed in the friendlies, maybe Roy has seen something we havent.
Rashford should have played in the Toulon tournament for tournament experience not bench warming and taking up a place in the senior side, or are the FA still looking towards the future rather than trying to win.
Nothing against him, but he's three months into his career.
This is the Euros we are talking about, are we picking international players now based on a stellar three months?
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Absolutely.
I'd far rather have a player bang in form for the last 3 months than someone who was in form for the first 6 months, then was poor for the last 3.... confidence is everything for strikers.
He has picked 3 players who are just returning from injury in Henderson, Wilshere & Sturridge.
Picking one would have been a risk, but 3, Really??
I feel sorry for Drinkwater, he has been superb all season & certainly deserves a place in the final squad.
Whilst I think Rashford is possibly a yar away from the level he needs to be to play in a tournament like this.
Yes he scored against Australia, but it was hardly a Worldy was it & the rest of his game was fairly average in my opinion. Was it enough to justify selection? No I don't think it was.
And to do comparisons with Owen is totally wrong, Owen whether you like him or not, was a top class finisher and well ahead of where young Rashford is today.
To sum it up, we have a dodgy defence, 2-3 players who are recovering or just recovered from injury & with little playing time under their belts over the last few months, plus a raw youngster with decent talent in the 23.........................................Only England!!!
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
you quite clearly havent watched his link up play with Lindgard and Martial.
of course he will improve, he's 17 FFS, but Owen was only 18 when he made an impact.
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Owen had played about 50 EPL games when he went to the 98 WC.
He was young but even his experience dwarves that of Rashford.
I hope Rashford does well but I certainly have sympathy with the view that he's a bit raw.
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i dont agree, but the kid plays with no fear, has his feet firmly on the ground and is an unknown quantity.
in a team known for bottling,and big time charlies over the years sometimes having a player like that is a big bonus.
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Fair enough, personally I'm not sure playing without fear is enough.
Vardy plays without fear but he's also scored 20+ goals this year. Ditto Kane. Alli also plays without fear but has been a driving force for Spurs all season.
This isn't a criticism of Rashford's character ("feet on the ground" isn't terribly relevant to me) or his ability, just feel this is a bit too soon.
Hope he proves me wrong.
Surprised so many people put sturridge into their first xi, given that he has the worst strike rate for england of all the strikers in the squad.
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
you quite clearly havent watched his link up play with Lindgard and Martial.
of course he will improve, he's 17 FFS, but Owen was only 18 when he made an impact.
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Owen had played about 50 EPL games when he went to the 98 WC.
He was young but even his experience dwarves that of Rashford.
I hope Rashford does well but I certainly have sympathy with the view that he's a bit raw.
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i dont agree, but the kid plays with no fear, has his feet firmly on the ground and is an unknown quantity.
in a team known for bottling,and big time charlies over the years sometimes having a player like that is a big bonus.
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Fair enough, personally I'm not sure playing without fear is enough.
Vardy plays without fear but he's also scored 20+ goals this year. Ditto Kane. Alli also plays without fear but has been a driving force for Spurs all season.
This isn't a criticism of Rashford's character ("feet on the ground" isn't terribly relevant to me) or his ability, just feel this is a bit too soon.
Hope he proves me wrong.
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i meant to put "dont disagree"
I feel sorry for Drinkwater, he has been superb all season & certainly deserves a place in the final squad.
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It boggles me that someone like Wilshere who's played in total 3 games [Started one, Subbed on twice] gets picked ahead of a Premier League medalist.
There's a level of stupidity you can take as an England Manager, but this one you could never defend.
Rashford will rarely play to prove anyone wrong and the same can be applied to any player who would've been our 5th striker.
I think the main issue for me is we've taken a few players who are notorious sicknotes.
Wrankwater deserves to be at home
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Rashford will get minutes. We're bringing five strikers but at least 3 will start.
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by shinjithemancinoz (U1700)
posted 55 seconds ago
......................Forster
Walker......Smalling.....Cahill......Rose
..................Dier....Wilshere
........................Rooney
..Vardy.........Kane.... Rashford
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Has bitter manc written all over it <rolf>
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Harris?
Four full backs is the most stupid decision not taking Rashford.
Well after Henderson.
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posted on 31/5/16
comment by #Ninja# (U18090)
posted 4 minutes ago
Bizzare cutting Drinkwater, and Henderson and Wilshere go.
Also Townsend is the only left footed attacker England have got. Its not like Sterling and Lallana have been outstanding this season
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I'm pretty certain Sturridge is left footed.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
you quite clearly havent watched his link up play with Lindgard and Martial.
of course he will improve, he's 17 FFS, but Owen was only 18 when he made an impact.
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Owen had played about 50 EPL games when he went to the 98 WC.
He was young but even his experience dwarves that of Rashford.
I hope Rashford does well but I certainly have sympathy with the view that he's a bit raw.
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i dont agree, but the kid plays with no fear, has his feet firmly on the ground and is an unknown quantity.
in a team known for bottling,and big time charlies over the years sometimes having a player like that is a big bonus.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 34 seconds ago
The Arsenal troll spouts a lot of gobbledygook but i support his salient point that Rashford should stay home.
This is the Euros we are talking about, are we picking international players now based on a stellar three months? Roy is showing himself to be the weakest of managers, kowtowing to the clamour.
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erm, three months is a third of the season, not exactly 2 or 3 games.
you pick your form players, or do you think he should pick the guy who has been shiiiit for 3 months but played well for the 6 before that?
mornoic post RC
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It is your prerogative ofc and i recognise my opinion on Rahsford's inclusion in the Euros is a minority one on the united board.
I just don't feel he should have gone. Sure, train with the squad, play a few friendlies but that's it.
Yes, he is in some form - but so are the other strikers.
Besides, it is not as if this England squad is lacking in fine strikers - it is arguably our best position currently.
Taking three central defenders - another silly act. Dropping one of the most in-form central midfieders to shoe-horn a callow 17-year old to me is not good management. Shades of Walcott to me - and look how that turned out.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Defoe should have gone to the Euro's, he was terrific at Sunderland this season. 17 goals in a side battling relegation is amazing.
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i agree, Defoe was superb this season and should have at least been considered ahead of both Rashford and Sturridge.
posted on 31/5/16
I suspect that Wilshere is in there on pasty performances. IN the last world cup qualifiers he got motm after motm for england. He is a player who has shown that playing for his country means something to him and he has turned in a few match winning perfomrances. He is one of the few players we have who can truely lift the team. If he stays fit that is.
My biggest fear is we dont have anyone that can lift the team and limp out of the group stages like the world cup.
posted on 31/5/16
I've just read a good point that Drinkwater always picked Vardy out with a nice pass at Leicester this season, madness to not take that with you to the Euro's.
posted on 31/5/16
^past performances
posted on 31/5/16
Rashford will, if he even manages to get on the pitch, be used as an impact player. Not too big a deal and even if he doesn't get a single minute I can understand why they'll want him in and around the England team. The only other alternative was Defoe, who has always been pretty average for England, so it's not like we've got some amazing player missing out because of him.
Our pool of talent is very limited. Another option in attack should be welcomed, especially when you look at how shiiiiiit our midfield and defence is. Need all the help we can get up front.
posted on 31/5/16
Hart
Clyne Smalling Cahill Rose
Dier
Wilshere Rooney
Alli
Kane Vardy
Now Drinkwater is out, Rooney seems like the best option. Maybe Milner or Henderson have a case but both are the epitome of averageness.
posted on 31/5/16
I think the players that have missed out wouldnt have made a great difference .And the ones that are going...wont make a great deal of difference either
posted on 31/5/16
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt Busby(U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
I think Defoe should have gone to the Euro's, he was terrific at Sunderland this season. 17 goals in a side battling relegation is amazing.
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i agree, Defoe was superb this season and should have at least been considered ahead of both Rashford and Sturridge.
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What's Defoe done at the highest level? Could never get in the Spurs team in his peak. Never used to turn up in the big games.
Hes had a good season for Sunderland for sure just like other strikers who play for relegation battling clubs but it doesn't mean they should play for England.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 34 seconds ago
The Arsenal troll spouts a lot of gobbledygook but i support his salient point that Rashford should stay home.
This is the Euros we are talking about, are we picking international players now based on a stellar three months? Roy is showing himself to be the weakest of managers, kowtowing to the clamour.
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erm, three months is a third of the season, not exactly 2 or 3 games.
you pick your form players, or do you think he should pick the guy who has been shiiiit for 3 months but played well for the 6 before that?
mornoic post RC
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It is your prerogative ofc and i recognise my opinion on Rahsford's inclusion in the Euros is a minority one on the united board.
I just don't feel he should have gone. Sure, train with the squad, play a few friendlies but that's it.
Yes, he is in some form - but so are the other strikers.
Besides, it is not as if this England squad is lacking in fine strikers - it is arguably our best position currently.
Taking three central defenders - another silly act. Dropping one of the most in-form central midfieders to shoe-horn a callow 17-year old to me is not good management. Shades of Walcott to me - and look how that turned out.
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i agree with the 3 CB's.
i think the idea is if there were injuries, Dier would drop back, which makes the dropping of Drinkwater more strange.
i do think people need to look past what Leicester have done this season though to a point.
Lets be honest, Drinkwater could just be that type of player that suits a certain system.
he hasnt overly impressed in the friendlies, maybe Roy has seen something we havent.
posted on 31/5/16
Rashford should have played in the Toulon tournament for tournament experience not bench warming and taking up a place in the senior side, or are the FA still looking towards the future rather than trying to win.
Nothing against him, but he's three months into his career.
posted on 31/5/16
This is the Euros we are talking about, are we picking international players now based on a stellar three months?
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Absolutely.
I'd far rather have a player bang in form for the last 3 months than someone who was in form for the first 6 months, then was poor for the last 3.... confidence is everything for strikers.
posted on 31/5/16
He has picked 3 players who are just returning from injury in Henderson, Wilshere & Sturridge.
Picking one would have been a risk, but 3, Really??
I feel sorry for Drinkwater, he has been superb all season & certainly deserves a place in the final squad.
Whilst I think Rashford is possibly a yar away from the level he needs to be to play in a tournament like this.
Yes he scored against Australia, but it was hardly a Worldy was it & the rest of his game was fairly average in my opinion. Was it enough to justify selection? No I don't think it was.
And to do comparisons with Owen is totally wrong, Owen whether you like him or not, was a top class finisher and well ahead of where young Rashford is today.
To sum it up, we have a dodgy defence, 2-3 players who are recovering or just recovered from injury & with little playing time under their belts over the last few months, plus a raw youngster with decent talent in the 23.........................................Only England!!!
posted on 31/5/16
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
you quite clearly havent watched his link up play with Lindgard and Martial.
of course he will improve, he's 17 FFS, but Owen was only 18 when he made an impact.
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Owen had played about 50 EPL games when he went to the 98 WC.
He was young but even his experience dwarves that of Rashford.
I hope Rashford does well but I certainly have sympathy with the view that he's a bit raw.
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i dont agree, but the kid plays with no fear, has his feet firmly on the ground and is an unknown quantity.
in a team known for bottling,and big time charlies over the years sometimes having a player like that is a big bonus.
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Fair enough, personally I'm not sure playing without fear is enough.
Vardy plays without fear but he's also scored 20+ goals this year. Ditto Kane. Alli also plays without fear but has been a driving force for Spurs all season.
This isn't a criticism of Rashford's character ("feet on the ground" isn't terribly relevant to me) or his ability, just feel this is a bit too soon.
Hope he proves me wrong.
posted on 31/5/16
Surprised so many people put sturridge into their first xi, given that he has the worst strike rate for england of all the strikers in the squad.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by just plain old Dunc (U11713)
posted 1 second ago
you quite clearly havent watched his link up play with Lindgard and Martial.
of course he will improve, he's 17 FFS, but Owen was only 18 when he made an impact.
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Owen had played about 50 EPL games when he went to the 98 WC.
He was young but even his experience dwarves that of Rashford.
I hope Rashford does well but I certainly have sympathy with the view that he's a bit raw.
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i dont agree, but the kid plays with no fear, has his feet firmly on the ground and is an unknown quantity.
in a team known for bottling,and big time charlies over the years sometimes having a player like that is a big bonus.
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Fair enough, personally I'm not sure playing without fear is enough.
Vardy plays without fear but he's also scored 20+ goals this year. Ditto Kane. Alli also plays without fear but has been a driving force for Spurs all season.
This isn't a criticism of Rashford's character ("feet on the ground" isn't terribly relevant to me) or his ability, just feel this is a bit too soon.
Hope he proves me wrong.
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i meant to put "dont disagree"
posted on 31/5/16
I feel sorry for Drinkwater, he has been superb all season & certainly deserves a place in the final squad.
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It boggles me that someone like Wilshere who's played in total 3 games [Started one, Subbed on twice] gets picked ahead of a Premier League medalist.
There's a level of stupidity you can take as an England Manager, but this one you could never defend.
posted on 31/5/16
Rashford will rarely play to prove anyone wrong and the same can be applied to any player who would've been our 5th striker.
I think the main issue for me is we've taken a few players who are notorious sicknotes.
posted on 31/5/16
Wrankwater deserves to be at home
posted on 31/5/16
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posted on 31/5/16
Rashford will get minutes. We're bringing five strikers but at least 3 will start.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by (Kash) Coutinho Right Foot Curler - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by shinjithemancinoz (U1700)
posted 55 seconds ago
......................Forster
Walker......Smalling.....Cahill......Rose
..................Dier....Wilshere
........................Rooney
..Vardy.........Kane.... Rashford
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Has bitter manc written all over it <rolf>
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Harris?
posted on 31/5/16
Four full backs is the most stupid decision not taking Rashford.
Well after Henderson.
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