A few snide remarks still makes him just about the most gracious winner or top end loser in almost all professional sports, and that is what I'm getting at. To truly get to the top, magnamity and humility are mostly gone.
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Nadal and Djokovic are more humble winners and more magnanimous in defeat than Federer.
I prefer the honesty of someone like Serena to the faux sportsmanship of Federer. He wants to have it both ways: to get in his snide little digs (not in the heat of the battle but in press conferences - and often enough before a match) at the same time as being perceived as the nice boy of the sport.
He doesn't have the immaculate presentation and perfect son-in-law face that the Wimbledon crowd so adore in Federer, but I have a great deal more time for Andy Murray, who is honest and eschew both nice-guy bullskit and trash talking in his interviews.
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What I'm saying, brightdave, is that what I dislike more than anything is affectation. So yes, I find Federer more objectionable than Ronaldo. I found Henry making a show of how gutted he was for the Irish after he'd cheated them out of qualification more objectionable than Ronaldo. You can't have it both ways. Trash talk or cheat but then don't ask the world to see you as a gentleman of the sport.
Ronaldo dissing his underdog opponents when he failed to beat them and didn't play very well isn't despicable, it just makes him as massive kock.
I have no idea whether Murray feigns injury, or whether Federer does it or which players do it most. It's hard to objectively measure these things. If you strongly support a particular player, you may be inclined to give him more, and his rival less, benefit of the doubt. What I can say is that when I hear players talking, I prefer them to be straight with their audience.
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posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
I prefer the honesty of someone like Serena to the faux sportsmanship of Federer. He wants to have it both ways: to get in his snide little digs (not in the heat of the battle but in press conferences - and often enough before a match) at the same time as being perceived as the nice boy of the sport.
He doesn't have the immaculate presentation and perfect son-in-law face that the Wimbledon crowd so adore in Federer, but I have a great deal more time for Andy Murray, who is honest and eschew both nice-guy bullskit and trash talking in his interviews.
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Apart from the fact that he's British and a great player, this is why I genuinely like Andy Murray. He doesn't seem to put on any kind of act at all when he's interviewed. I can't believe this honesty actually makes a lot of British fans dislike him.
Clockwork, I think the dislike comes from the fact that tennis is disproportionately a sport of the wealthy in this country, and the fraternity has got used to poster boys like Tim Henman and Jeremy Bates who share their accent and background. When Murray came on the scene, his bluntness (i.e. honesty) didn't rub off well on the strawberries and cream types.
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posted 10 minutes ago
Clockwork, I think the dislike comes from the fact that tennis is disproportionately a sport of the wealthy in this country, and the fraternity has got used to poster boys like Tim Henman and Jeremy Bates who share their accent and background. When Murray came on the scene, his bluntness (i.e. honesty) didn't rub off well on the strawberries and cream types.
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That's true. Murray always reminds me of the kind of scruffy teenager you can imagine going to college with.
I remember an article suggesting that for the Wimbledon crowd Andy Murray was basically what they imagined a crack addict looked like.
This from Paul Doyle in the Guardian:
'We’d recommend Ronaldo take a long hard look at himself in the mirror if we didn’t know that he already spends several hours a day doing exactly that.'
Did you see this response?
The Icelandic players responded with due scorn: “He’s just a sore loser,” the defender Kari Arnason said. “He didn’t want to lose the game. What does he expect – for us to play like Barcelona against him? He fannnies about and dives around.” And to add insult to injury, Arnason added: “We didn’t pay any extra attention to him.”
Ooooof, straight to the point and spot on.
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posted on 15/6/16
A few snide remarks still makes him just about the most gracious winner or top end loser in almost all professional sports, and that is what I'm getting at. To truly get to the top, magnamity and humility are mostly gone.
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Nadal and Djokovic are more humble winners and more magnanimous in defeat than Federer.
posted on 15/6/16
I prefer the honesty of someone like Serena to the faux sportsmanship of Federer. He wants to have it both ways: to get in his snide little digs (not in the heat of the battle but in press conferences - and often enough before a match) at the same time as being perceived as the nice boy of the sport.
He doesn't have the immaculate presentation and perfect son-in-law face that the Wimbledon crowd so adore in Federer, but I have a great deal more time for Andy Murray, who is honest and eschew both nice-guy bullskit and trash talking in his interviews.
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What I'm saying, brightdave, is that what I dislike more than anything is affectation. So yes, I find Federer more objectionable than Ronaldo. I found Henry making a show of how gutted he was for the Irish after he'd cheated them out of qualification more objectionable than Ronaldo. You can't have it both ways. Trash talk or cheat but then don't ask the world to see you as a gentleman of the sport.
Ronaldo dissing his underdog opponents when he failed to beat them and didn't play very well isn't despicable, it just makes him as massive kock.
I have no idea whether Murray feigns injury, or whether Federer does it or which players do it most. It's hard to objectively measure these things. If you strongly support a particular player, you may be inclined to give him more, and his rival less, benefit of the doubt. What I can say is that when I hear players talking, I prefer them to be straight with their audience.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
I prefer the honesty of someone like Serena to the faux sportsmanship of Federer. He wants to have it both ways: to get in his snide little digs (not in the heat of the battle but in press conferences - and often enough before a match) at the same time as being perceived as the nice boy of the sport.
He doesn't have the immaculate presentation and perfect son-in-law face that the Wimbledon crowd so adore in Federer, but I have a great deal more time for Andy Murray, who is honest and eschew both nice-guy bullskit and trash talking in his interviews.
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Apart from the fact that he's British and a great player, this is why I genuinely like Andy Murray. He doesn't seem to put on any kind of act at all when he's interviewed. I can't believe this honesty actually makes a lot of British fans dislike him.
posted on 15/6/16
Clockwork, I think the dislike comes from the fact that tennis is disproportionately a sport of the wealthy in this country, and the fraternity has got used to poster boys like Tim Henman and Jeremy Bates who share their accent and background. When Murray came on the scene, his bluntness (i.e. honesty) didn't rub off well on the strawberries and cream types.
posted on 15/6/16
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 minutes ago
Clockwork, I think the dislike comes from the fact that tennis is disproportionately a sport of the wealthy in this country, and the fraternity has got used to poster boys like Tim Henman and Jeremy Bates who share their accent and background. When Murray came on the scene, his bluntness (i.e. honesty) didn't rub off well on the strawberries and cream types.
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That's true. Murray always reminds me of the kind of scruffy teenager you can imagine going to college with.
posted on 15/6/16
I remember an article suggesting that for the Wimbledon crowd Andy Murray was basically what they imagined a crack addict looked like.
posted on 15/6/16
This from Paul Doyle in the Guardian:
'We’d recommend Ronaldo take a long hard look at himself in the mirror if we didn’t know that he already spends several hours a day doing exactly that.'
posted on 15/6/16
Did you see this response?
The Icelandic players responded with due scorn: “He’s just a sore loser,” the defender Kari Arnason said. “He didn’t want to lose the game. What does he expect – for us to play like Barcelona against him? He fannnies about and dives around.” And to add insult to injury, Arnason added: “We didn’t pay any extra attention to him.”
posted on 15/6/16
Ooooof, straight to the point and spot on.
posted on 15/6/16
Ha, JSPC, yes!
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