Just throw England and Russia out. Fack it.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just throw England and Russia out. Fack it.
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Unfortunately, this is the answer.
I don't agree throwing England out is the answer, that's really unfair on the vast majority of fans over in France.
We saw the usual stuff associated with an element of English fans early last week in Marseilles, the chanting, bravado etc. That's the standard for a certain group, set up shop at a bar / square, get tanked up and sing some provocative songs.
What happened when the Russians arrived en mass is totally different to what we normally see at tournaments.
English fans have not caused any trouble in the stadiums so far, you can't punish the majority for the actions of a few 100 fans at most.
Last night in Lille was more a show of defiance IMO, tanked up lads trying to act the hard man, I saw loads of stuff on Twitter where the fans were having a great time only a few mins walk from where this trouble was.
comment by xiuxiuejar (U6109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just throw England and Russia out. Fack it.
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Unfortunately, this is the answer.
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In what way would that stop the hooligans though?
It would ruin things for the decent fans but the hooligans cleary give no feck about the football, their idea of fun is causing trouble. The individuals need to be identified and punished accordingly.
Long article. Can somebody summarise?
What will the media write about when they get us kicked out??
I saw numerous decent reporters stating that last night was blown out of proportion. There was one stand off and a few bottles chukced at the large police presence.
The decent reporters were showing how the majority of fans in Lille were having great fun & dancing and singing with the Irish and Swedes.
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Kicking anyone out is pointless. As I say in the post (which is too long for Man United fans ) troublemakers already have their tickets and if violence is organised then they will go - regardless of whether they have a game to go to.
Maybe banning us from the next one could work but then hundreds of thousands of fans have their summers wrecked by a minority of bellends.
Local police forces throughout the UK need to keep better tabs on these guys and, when tournaments come around, ban all but the best behaved from travelling.
While you can clearly see a lot of idiots (still a massive minority) giving it large at French police, surely there has to be a more diplomatic and peaceful way of moving people on.
Cooperation between UK and French police so that announcements are made, so all can understand that for example, bars are closing in 30 minutes, they will be asked to move on. Those causing trouble (flares etc) should be targetted instead of the first action being 100s of Riot police moving in to move everyone on.
Its like being in a nightclub and when the lights go on bouncers immediately start physically throwing people out the door....its gonna cause problems and many innocent people will get caught up in it.
You get this kind of drunk late night f*ckwit behavior in most UK cities most friday nights ....difference being they dont get charged by riot police at last orders.
It is a total embarrassment but the french police have no idea how to tackle it and make worse/inflame the situation IMO.
T Bone - totally agree with this. The police videos on sky news looked like an organised sweep of the city centre, nothing more. Some fans kicked out along the way, but certainly not major trouble.
In fairness, the sky reporter on the scene was very good - it was just the sensationalist headlines scrolling underneath.
Devon: don't you think that with what happened in Marseilles that the police were just flexing their muscles a bit?
It was much better than the haphazard approach in Marseilles, which only made the situation worse.
I'm hoping once tonight is out the way then it might die down a bit and police will be a bit happier to leave fans to it.
Bang Em all up for a year. And watch the West Ham millwall and chelsea attendances half next season.
Logs
comment by TaxiForMaicon (U18583)
posted 5 minutes ago
Kicking anyone out is pointless. As I say in the post (which is too long for Man United fans) troublemakers already have their tickets and if violence is organised then they will go - regardless of whether they have a game to go to.
Maybe banning us from the next one could work but then hundreds of thousands of fans have their summers wrecked by a minority of bellends.
Local police forces throughout the UK need to keep better tabs on these guys and, when tournaments come around, ban all but the best behaved from travelling.
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So many words. Could you sum this up in a sentence?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
While you can clearly see a lot of idiots (still a massive minority) giving it large at French police, surely there has to be a more diplomatic and peaceful way of moving people on.
Cooperation between UK and French police so that announcements are made, so all can understand that for example, bars are closing in 30 minutes, they will be asked to move on. Those causing trouble (flares etc) should be targetted instead of the first action being 100s of Riot police moving in to move everyone on.
Its like being in a nightclub and when the lights go on bouncers immediately start physically throwing people out the door....its gonna cause problems and many innocent people will get caught up in it.
You get this kind of drunk late night f*ckwit behavior in most UK cities most friday nights ....difference being they dont get charged by riot police at last orders.
It is a total embarrassment but the french police have no idea how to tackle it and make worse/inflame the situation IMO.
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Early this morning I watched an interview of an England fan in Lille. He was a documentary maker and had been to Marseille a few months ago interviewing Marseille 'Ulras'.
He was told by one of them that there would be trouble, not because of fans, but because the french police would be incompetent, they would have no idea how to manage the situation. I think this is ringing true.
In France they just have a blanket ban on certain fans from travelling to games on matchday, thus limiting any problems.
The England fans that are congregating in really large numbers and are drunk, loud and quite disorderly, in England would be dealt with reasonably passively by British police.
In France, the police don't really encounter anything like it, so have no real idea how to manage the situation. The react aggressively, rather than be more passive. They'll shoot tear gas into a crowd, thus inflaming a situation, because idiot, drunk fans aren't really used to that situation either.
comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 40 minutes ago
The French Police hate the English and target them indiscriminately,they arrested NO Russian ultra-violent lowlives in Marseilles that says it all.It's driven by hatred of English from the French and nothing more,cheese eating surrender monkey muppets!
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yeah well most of what you have siad is wrong, they stopped a bus outside of Marseilles and have deported over 20 Russians including a high level guy in these gangs who was there co-ordinating apparantly.
I think the French cops have been heavy handed but they're also on edge with all the issues currently in France.
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"yeah well most of what you have siad is wrong, they stopped a bus outside of Marseilles and have deported over 20 Russians including a high level guy in these gangs who was there co-ordinating apparantly"
Actually the bus they stopped was an official supporters club from Russia,so I would suggest it is you Sir,who is talking utter carp!
comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
"yeah well most of what you have siad is wrong, they stopped a bus outside of Marseilles and have deported over 20 Russians including a high level guy in these gangs who was there co-ordinating apparantly"
Actually the bus they stopped was an official supporters club from Russia,so I would suggest it is you Sir,who is talking utter carp!
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Fair enough but your original suggestion is outrageous
Get that blue chip off your shoulder skip
How about keeping the Bumbs, who have been arrested, behind bars until the tournament is over? Then ship them back to the homeland at their own expense!
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posted on 16/6/16
Just throw England and Russia out. Fack it.
posted on 16/6/16
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just throw England and Russia out. Fack it.
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Unfortunately, this is the answer.
posted on 16/6/16
I don't agree throwing England out is the answer, that's really unfair on the vast majority of fans over in France.
We saw the usual stuff associated with an element of English fans early last week in Marseilles, the chanting, bravado etc. That's the standard for a certain group, set up shop at a bar / square, get tanked up and sing some provocative songs.
What happened when the Russians arrived en mass is totally different to what we normally see at tournaments.
English fans have not caused any trouble in the stadiums so far, you can't punish the majority for the actions of a few 100 fans at most.
Last night in Lille was more a show of defiance IMO, tanked up lads trying to act the hard man, I saw loads of stuff on Twitter where the fans were having a great time only a few mins walk from where this trouble was.
posted on 16/6/16
comment by xiuxiuejar (U6109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
Just throw England and Russia out. Fack it.
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Unfortunately, this is the answer.
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In what way would that stop the hooligans though?
It would ruin things for the decent fans but the hooligans cleary give no feck about the football, their idea of fun is causing trouble. The individuals need to be identified and punished accordingly.
posted on 16/6/16
Long article. Can somebody summarise?
posted on 16/6/16
England fans suck
posted on 16/6/16
What will the media write about when they get us kicked out??
I saw numerous decent reporters stating that last night was blown out of proportion. There was one stand off and a few bottles chukced at the large police presence.
The decent reporters were showing how the majority of fans in Lille were having great fun & dancing and singing with the Irish and Swedes.
posted on 16/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 16/6/16
Kicking anyone out is pointless. As I say in the post (which is too long for Man United fans ) troublemakers already have their tickets and if violence is organised then they will go - regardless of whether they have a game to go to.
Maybe banning us from the next one could work but then hundreds of thousands of fans have their summers wrecked by a minority of bellends.
Local police forces throughout the UK need to keep better tabs on these guys and, when tournaments come around, ban all but the best behaved from travelling.
posted on 16/6/16
While you can clearly see a lot of idiots (still a massive minority) giving it large at French police, surely there has to be a more diplomatic and peaceful way of moving people on.
Cooperation between UK and French police so that announcements are made, so all can understand that for example, bars are closing in 30 minutes, they will be asked to move on. Those causing trouble (flares etc) should be targetted instead of the first action being 100s of Riot police moving in to move everyone on.
Its like being in a nightclub and when the lights go on bouncers immediately start physically throwing people out the door....its gonna cause problems and many innocent people will get caught up in it.
You get this kind of drunk late night f*ckwit behavior in most UK cities most friday nights ....difference being they dont get charged by riot police at last orders.
It is a total embarrassment but the french police have no idea how to tackle it and make worse/inflame the situation IMO.
posted on 16/6/16
T Bone - totally agree with this. The police videos on sky news looked like an organised sweep of the city centre, nothing more. Some fans kicked out along the way, but certainly not major trouble.
In fairness, the sky reporter on the scene was very good - it was just the sensationalist headlines scrolling underneath.
posted on 16/6/16
Devon: don't you think that with what happened in Marseilles that the police were just flexing their muscles a bit?
It was much better than the haphazard approach in Marseilles, which only made the situation worse.
I'm hoping once tonight is out the way then it might die down a bit and police will be a bit happier to leave fans to it.
posted on 16/6/16
Bang Em all up for a year. And watch the West Ham millwall and chelsea attendances half next season.
Logs
posted on 16/6/16
comment by TaxiForMaicon (U18583)
posted 5 minutes ago
Kicking anyone out is pointless. As I say in the post (which is too long for Man United fans) troublemakers already have their tickets and if violence is organised then they will go - regardless of whether they have a game to go to.
Maybe banning us from the next one could work but then hundreds of thousands of fans have their summers wrecked by a minority of bellends.
Local police forces throughout the UK need to keep better tabs on these guys and, when tournaments come around, ban all but the best behaved from travelling.
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So many words. Could you sum this up in a sentence?
posted on 16/6/16
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
While you can clearly see a lot of idiots (still a massive minority) giving it large at French police, surely there has to be a more diplomatic and peaceful way of moving people on.
Cooperation between UK and French police so that announcements are made, so all can understand that for example, bars are closing in 30 minutes, they will be asked to move on. Those causing trouble (flares etc) should be targetted instead of the first action being 100s of Riot police moving in to move everyone on.
Its like being in a nightclub and when the lights go on bouncers immediately start physically throwing people out the door....its gonna cause problems and many innocent people will get caught up in it.
You get this kind of drunk late night f*ckwit behavior in most UK cities most friday nights ....difference being they dont get charged by riot police at last orders.
It is a total embarrassment but the french police have no idea how to tackle it and make worse/inflame the situation IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Early this morning I watched an interview of an England fan in Lille. He was a documentary maker and had been to Marseille a few months ago interviewing Marseille 'Ulras'.
He was told by one of them that there would be trouble, not because of fans, but because the french police would be incompetent, they would have no idea how to manage the situation. I think this is ringing true.
In France they just have a blanket ban on certain fans from travelling to games on matchday, thus limiting any problems.
The England fans that are congregating in really large numbers and are drunk, loud and quite disorderly, in England would be dealt with reasonably passively by British police.
In France, the police don't really encounter anything like it, so have no real idea how to manage the situation. The react aggressively, rather than be more passive. They'll shoot tear gas into a crowd, thus inflaming a situation, because idiot, drunk fans aren't really used to that situation either.
posted on 16/6/16
comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 40 minutes ago
The French Police hate the English and target them indiscriminately,they arrested NO Russian ultra-violent lowlives in Marseilles that says it all.It's driven by hatred of English from the French and nothing more,cheese eating surrender monkey muppets!
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yeah well most of what you have siad is wrong, they stopped a bus outside of Marseilles and have deported over 20 Russians including a high level guy in these gangs who was there co-ordinating apparantly.
posted on 16/6/16
I think the French cops have been heavy handed but they're also on edge with all the issues currently in France.
posted on 16/6/16
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posted on 16/6/16
"yeah well most of what you have siad is wrong, they stopped a bus outside of Marseilles and have deported over 20 Russians including a high level guy in these gangs who was there co-ordinating apparantly"
Actually the bus they stopped was an official supporters club from Russia,so I would suggest it is you Sir,who is talking utter carp!
posted on 16/6/16
comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
"yeah well most of what you have siad is wrong, they stopped a bus outside of Marseilles and have deported over 20 Russians including a high level guy in these gangs who was there co-ordinating apparantly"
Actually the bus they stopped was an official supporters club from Russia,so I would suggest it is you Sir,who is talking utter carp!
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Fair enough but your original suggestion is outrageous
Get that blue chip off your shoulder skip
posted on 16/6/16
How about keeping the Bumbs, who have been arrested, behind bars until the tournament is over? Then ship them back to the homeland at their own expense!
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