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Has he done any worse on the finishing front than Kane, Rooney, Wilshere, Sterling & Henderson?
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They've all had chances to score and none of them have. Yes his finishing isn't the best, and needs improving, but I'd be more critical of players whose finishing is meant to be better than Lallana's a) not getting into the positions he has and b) being on the same goal tally despite being better.
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That's the thing though. Lallana's goal tally reads 0 goals in 26 games (or is it 27 now?). Not many others with worse tallies than that, except Hendo.
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So you'd expect more from certain other players with s better goal tally, no?
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Yeah, but they aren't always getting the same opportunities that Lallana is, and no that isn't just their fault. For someone that has had 5 good goalscoring opportunities, he either hits it at the keeper or hits it wide. It's not even as if he forces the keeper into making a good save.
Kane, albeit from offside, managed to put the ball in the net from one his few glimpses of the goal.
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I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve his finishing, he does.
My point is when you've got Kane (top scorer in the league), Rooney (spent 99.9% of his career up front), Alli (showed he can finish this season for Spurs) on the same amount of goals I'd be more critical of them. They may have had less chances but finishing and scoring is meant to be their bread & butter.
Why are the other players not getting into goal scoring chances???
I will tell you why and it is because we have a negative manager who does not let the players express themselves.
Stop blaming the players the manager is useless and always will be.
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Nice one mate. You got the Desperate Dan going on then?
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Indeed.
It was 95 degrees over the last six days. That is 35 degrees Celcius.
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Wow!
I've got 2 weeks in Ibiza coming up. Will go to a couple of clubs, but mainly it will be two weeks spent with my Ma and Pa. Could be the last family holiday so ............... hopefully not of course.
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Has he done any worse on the finishing front than Kane, Rooney, Wilshere, Sterling & Henderson?
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They've all had chances to score and none of them have. Yes his finishing isn't the best, and needs improving, but I'd be more critical of players whose finishing is meant to be better than Lallana's a) not getting into the positions he has and b) being on the same goal tally despite being better.
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That's the thing though. Lallana's goal tally reads 0 goals in 26 games (or is it 27 now?). Not many others with worse tallies than that, except Hendo.
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So you'd expect more from certain other players with s better goal tally, no?
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Yeah, but they aren't always getting the same opportunities that Lallana is, and no that isn't just their fault. For someone that has had 5 good goalscoring opportunities, he either hits it at the keeper or hits it wide. It's not even as if he forces the keeper into making a good save.
Kane, albeit from offside, managed to put the ball in the net from one his few glimpses of the goal.
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I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve his finishing, he does.
My point is when you've got Kane (top scorer in the league), Rooney (spent 99.9% of his career up front), Alli (showed he can finish this season for Spurs) on the same amount of goals I'd be more critical of them. They may have had less chances but finishing and scoring is meant to be their bread & butter.
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They haven't really been playing Alli in his favoured position.
I think it's irrelevant if Lallana is the one getting these chances though. I mean well done for getting into these positions, but please never try shooting again Adam, pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like.
You know how they've done short interludes on the story of Vardy and Kane in England game build ups? I heard they had one for Lallana, but decided against playing it cause it would never finish.
Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947)
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Why are the other players not getting into goal scoring chances???
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in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
To date Walker, good as he's been, has failed to put in consistently good deliveries, as has Rose.
Rooney and Alli haven't really been creating much.
Equally, the movement has been awful. Too often the midfielder has the ball with time and space but there's nobody moving for the ball. Seeing Clyne and Henderson last night was refreshing.
in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
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Both missed sitters.
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posted 1 minute ago
in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
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Both missed sitters.
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Did Sturridge?
The best chances I can think of were Alli's off the line, Vardy's one on one and the cut back to Lallana.
Either way, I don't feel we created enough.
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Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
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He's better off just turning around and playing it back then, if the alternative is a missed chance, with maybe a useless corner from England to follow.
Rooney and Alli haven't really been creating much.
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Rooney shouldn't even be in the team, but in all fairness he is doing no worse than the younger players.
I have not even noticed Alli, and that says it all. Some of the Spurs players do look jaded, no doubt about that.
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comment by Rauben Hoody - not well travelled (U6374)
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in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
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Both missed sitters.
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Did Sturridge?
The best chances I can think of were Alli's off the line, Vardy's one on one and the cut back to Lallana.
Either way, I don't feel we created enough.
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Difficult skill over your shoulder but on his left I'd fully expect him to hut it across the keeper to score.
Henderson made the pass of the game for Vardy but he munsoned it up.
A player who isn't getting the praise he deserves is Cahill. He's not the best player in the world but he's been very solid.
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Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
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He's better off just turning around and playing it back then, if the alternative is a missed chance, with maybe a useless corner from England to follow.
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Are you serious?
I'd sooner someone was doing something positive as opposed to passing it backwards. Suppose us being crap at corners is Lallana's fault as well?
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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
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Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
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He's better off just turning around and playing it back then, if the alternative is a missed chance, with maybe a useless corner from England to follow.
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Are you serious?
I'd sooner someone was doing something positive as opposed to passing it backwards. Suppose us being crap at corners is Lallana's fault as well?
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Half serious. I just don't want to see him waste another chance.
comment by Robb Hodgson (U20351)
posted 2 minutes ago
Henderson made the pass of the game for Vardy but he munsoned it up.
A player who isn't getting the praise he deserves is Cahill. He's not the best player in the world but he's been very solid.
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That was a great pass. Henderson will have the occasionally good cross on him. I forget...was he taking any of the England corners?
Llalanas link up play is very good tbh, shame about his finishing.
Terrible isn't it, having to debatewhich quality players have missed chances, try pinning your hopes off the bench on a 50 yeard old Robbie Keane and Fing aiday "the sham" McGeady! Oh and James McClean
Lallana's been very good for me so far, he's been positive, energetic and skillful (you could add Walker, Clyne and Rose to that). Seems a bit churlish to expect him to be a goal machine like Scholes, Lampard or Gerrard.
He's an infinitely better player than Milner and Henderson, who are just lumps wearing football tops and Rooney who's very ordinary these days. You could tell Wilshire hasn't kicked a ball for a year as well.
At the end of the day - to coin a phrase (and there's another one) the squad left with only rooney, hart, smalling and cahill as worthy 'internationals'. Probably the same number as many other squads out there, but also not as many as the winners will probably have or need.
Vardy is also a useful option - indeed he is the ONLY striker worthy of the label out there - but that will also probably be enough. Although I do also remember how greaves was england's best striker option in '66, and we know what happened there - lucky 'non-goal' notwithstanding.
all-in-all they have done reasonably well considering. Smalling was already a month past needing a rest from carrying a very weak united defensive 5-man unit, and some of the others are also clearly knackered.
anything can happen from now on, it is a cup competition and very often they are won by teams that are far from the best
You could tell Wilshire hasn't kicked a ball for a year as well.
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How?
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. Normal service has been r... (U1270)
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Lallana's been very good for me so far, he's been positive, energetic and skillful (you could add Walker, Clyne and Rose to that). Seems a bit churlish to expect him to be a goal machine like Scholes, Lampard or Gerrard.
He's an infinitely better player than Milner and Henderson, who are just lumps wearing football tops and Rooney who's very ordinary these days. You could tell Wilshire hasn't kicked a ball for a year as well.
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Goal machine.......1 goal in 27 appearances would be nice.
Lallana sums up Englands performances. Looked very good and actually delivered nothing. Same could be said of Walker, Rooney.
I dont think the system is getting the best out of Alli and we are certainly not creating enough through the middle of the pitch....everything goes wide, delivery has been poor
It has not helped that all 3 teams have parked the bus against us...it's tough to find that incisive pass or pick out someone with a cross if there are 10 defenders in the way.
The balance of the squad is all wrong for me. We need different options wide and centrally. Someone like Townsend would relentlessly run at players and we have no wide players who offer this.
Carroll is the perfect impact substitute and gives a serious aerial option (not sure I have seen a better headed goal that his vs Sweden in the last Euros) .
Roy's pride prevented him from picking a traditional No.9 and made him pick the latest hot prospect Rashford when actually other choices would have given a far more balanced squad..
I also find it amazing that we start with Vardy vs a team that is always going to play for the draw, that's all they needed. Vardy had 1 chance when he space to run in to, they learnt from that and retreated. vardy was they pretty ineffective and to be honest he offered little and got a bit lucky vs Wales.
Roy seems to me to be easily influenced, picking the popular players rather that having a plan and sticking to it.
I'd actually play Lallana at 10 behind Sturridge.
He can go either way, good balance, great first touch, takes players out of the game and loves a 1-2.
We'd move more defenders out of position just by virtue of better movement.
I like Alli but technically he is limited and I think it shows at International level. He'd make an awesome impact sub though.
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Has he done any worse on the finishing front than Kane, Rooney, Wilshere, Sterling & Henderson?
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They've all had chances to score and none of them have. Yes his finishing isn't the best, and needs improving, but I'd be more critical of players whose finishing is meant to be better than Lallana's a) not getting into the positions he has and b) being on the same goal tally despite being better.
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That's the thing though. Lallana's goal tally reads 0 goals in 26 games (or is it 27 now?). Not many others with worse tallies than that, except Hendo.
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So you'd expect more from certain other players with s better goal tally, no?
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Yeah, but they aren't always getting the same opportunities that Lallana is, and no that isn't just their fault. For someone that has had 5 good goalscoring opportunities, he either hits it at the keeper or hits it wide. It's not even as if he forces the keeper into making a good save.
Kane, albeit from offside, managed to put the ball in the net from one his few glimpses of the goal.
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I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve his finishing, he does.
My point is when you've got Kane (top scorer in the league), Rooney (spent 99.9% of his career up front), Alli (showed he can finish this season for Spurs) on the same amount of goals I'd be more critical of them. They may have had less chances but finishing and scoring is meant to be their bread & butter.
posted on 21/6/16
Why are the other players not getting into goal scoring chances???
I will tell you why and it is because we have a negative manager who does not let the players express themselves.
Stop blaming the players the manager is useless and always will be.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nice one mate. You got the Desperate Dan going on then?
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Indeed.
It was 95 degrees over the last six days. That is 35 degrees Celcius.
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Wow!
I've got 2 weeks in Ibiza coming up. Will go to a couple of clubs, but mainly it will be two weeks spent with my Ma and Pa. Could be the last family holiday so ............... hopefully not of course.
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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
Has he done any worse on the finishing front than Kane, Rooney, Wilshere, Sterling & Henderson?
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They've all had chances to score and none of them have. Yes his finishing isn't the best, and needs improving, but I'd be more critical of players whose finishing is meant to be better than Lallana's a) not getting into the positions he has and b) being on the same goal tally despite being better.
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That's the thing though. Lallana's goal tally reads 0 goals in 26 games (or is it 27 now?). Not many others with worse tallies than that, except Hendo.
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So you'd expect more from certain other players with s better goal tally, no?
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Yeah, but they aren't always getting the same opportunities that Lallana is, and no that isn't just their fault. For someone that has had 5 good goalscoring opportunities, he either hits it at the keeper or hits it wide. It's not even as if he forces the keeper into making a good save.
Kane, albeit from offside, managed to put the ball in the net from one his few glimpses of the goal.
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I'm not saying he doesn't need to improve his finishing, he does.
My point is when you've got Kane (top scorer in the league), Rooney (spent 99.9% of his career up front), Alli (showed he can finish this season for Spurs) on the same amount of goals I'd be more critical of them. They may have had less chances but finishing and scoring is meant to be their bread & butter.
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They haven't really been playing Alli in his favoured position.
I think it's irrelevant if Lallana is the one getting these chances though. I mean well done for getting into these positions, but please never try shooting again Adam, pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like.
posted on 21/6/16
You know how they've done short interludes on the story of Vardy and Kane in England game build ups? I heard they had one for Lallana, but decided against playing it cause it would never finish.
posted on 21/6/16
Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
posted on 21/6/16
T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 7 minutes ago
Why are the other players not getting into goal scoring chances???
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in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
To date Walker, good as he's been, has failed to put in consistently good deliveries, as has Rose.
Rooney and Alli haven't really been creating much.
Equally, the movement has been awful. Too often the midfielder has the ball with time and space but there's nobody moving for the ball. Seeing Clyne and Henderson last night was refreshing.
posted on 21/6/16
in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
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Both missed sitters.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Rauben Hoody - not well travelled (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
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Both missed sitters.
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Did Sturridge?
The best chances I can think of were Alli's off the line, Vardy's one on one and the cut back to Lallana.
Either way, I don't feel we created enough.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
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He's better off just turning around and playing it back then, if the alternative is a missed chance, with maybe a useless corner from England to follow.
posted on 21/6/16
Rooney and Alli haven't really been creating much.
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Rooney shouldn't even be in the team, but in all fairness he is doing no worse than the younger players.
I have not even noticed Alli, and that says it all. Some of the Spurs players do look jaded, no doubt about that.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
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comment by Rauben Hoody - not well travelled (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
in fairness vardy and Sturridge were in good positions a couple of times in the first half but Henderson fluffed his lines with poor deliveries.
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Both missed sitters.
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Did Sturridge?
The best chances I can think of were Alli's off the line, Vardy's one on one and the cut back to Lallana.
Either way, I don't feel we created enough.
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Difficult skill over your shoulder but on his left I'd fully expect him to hut it across the keeper to score.
posted on 21/6/16
Henderson made the pass of the game for Vardy but he munsoned it up.
A player who isn't getting the praise he deserves is Cahill. He's not the best player in the world but he's been very solid.
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
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Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
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He's better off just turning around and playing it back then, if the alternative is a missed chance, with maybe a useless corner from England to follow.
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Are you serious?
I'd sooner someone was doing something positive as opposed to passing it backwards. Suppose us being crap at corners is Lallana's fault as well?
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comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Spurtle
"pass to someone who maybe knows what an England goal feels like".
He has done as well as having chances to shoot. Not his fault if when he often his head up there's no options on and the only one left is to shoot.
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He's better off just turning around and playing it back then, if the alternative is a missed chance, with maybe a useless corner from England to follow.
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Are you serious?
I'd sooner someone was doing something positive as opposed to passing it backwards. Suppose us being crap at corners is Lallana's fault as well?
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Half serious. I just don't want to see him waste another chance.
posted on 21/6/16
comment by Robb Hodgson (U20351)
posted 2 minutes ago
Henderson made the pass of the game for Vardy but he munsoned it up.
A player who isn't getting the praise he deserves is Cahill. He's not the best player in the world but he's been very solid.
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That was a great pass. Henderson will have the occasionally good cross on him. I forget...was he taking any of the England corners?
posted on 21/6/16
Llalanas link up play is very good tbh, shame about his finishing.
posted on 21/6/16
Terrible isn't it, having to debatewhich quality players have missed chances, try pinning your hopes off the bench on a 50 yeard old Robbie Keane and Fing aiday "the sham" McGeady! Oh and James McClean
posted on 21/6/16
Lallana's been very good for me so far, he's been positive, energetic and skillful (you could add Walker, Clyne and Rose to that). Seems a bit churlish to expect him to be a goal machine like Scholes, Lampard or Gerrard.
He's an infinitely better player than Milner and Henderson, who are just lumps wearing football tops and Rooney who's very ordinary these days. You could tell Wilshire hasn't kicked a ball for a year as well.
posted on 21/6/16
At the end of the day - to coin a phrase (and there's another one) the squad left with only rooney, hart, smalling and cahill as worthy 'internationals'. Probably the same number as many other squads out there, but also not as many as the winners will probably have or need.
Vardy is also a useful option - indeed he is the ONLY striker worthy of the label out there - but that will also probably be enough. Although I do also remember how greaves was england's best striker option in '66, and we know what happened there - lucky 'non-goal' notwithstanding.
all-in-all they have done reasonably well considering. Smalling was already a month past needing a rest from carrying a very weak united defensive 5-man unit, and some of the others are also clearly knackered.
anything can happen from now on, it is a cup competition and very often they are won by teams that are far from the best
posted on 21/6/16
You could tell Wilshire hasn't kicked a ball for a year as well.
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How?
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comment by The Post Nearly Man. Normal service has been r... (U1270)
posted 28 minutes ago
Lallana's been very good for me so far, he's been positive, energetic and skillful (you could add Walker, Clyne and Rose to that). Seems a bit churlish to expect him to be a goal machine like Scholes, Lampard or Gerrard.
He's an infinitely better player than Milner and Henderson, who are just lumps wearing football tops and Rooney who's very ordinary these days. You could tell Wilshire hasn't kicked a ball for a year as well.
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Goal machine.......1 goal in 27 appearances would be nice.
Lallana sums up Englands performances. Looked very good and actually delivered nothing. Same could be said of Walker, Rooney.
I dont think the system is getting the best out of Alli and we are certainly not creating enough through the middle of the pitch....everything goes wide, delivery has been poor
It has not helped that all 3 teams have parked the bus against us...it's tough to find that incisive pass or pick out someone with a cross if there are 10 defenders in the way.
The balance of the squad is all wrong for me. We need different options wide and centrally. Someone like Townsend would relentlessly run at players and we have no wide players who offer this.
Carroll is the perfect impact substitute and gives a serious aerial option (not sure I have seen a better headed goal that his vs Sweden in the last Euros) .
Roy's pride prevented him from picking a traditional No.9 and made him pick the latest hot prospect Rashford when actually other choices would have given a far more balanced squad..
I also find it amazing that we start with Vardy vs a team that is always going to play for the draw, that's all they needed. Vardy had 1 chance when he space to run in to, they learnt from that and retreated. vardy was they pretty ineffective and to be honest he offered little and got a bit lucky vs Wales.
Roy seems to me to be easily influenced, picking the popular players rather that having a plan and sticking to it.
posted on 21/6/16
I'd actually play Lallana at 10 behind Sturridge.
He can go either way, good balance, great first touch, takes players out of the game and loves a 1-2.
We'd move more defenders out of position just by virtue of better movement.
I like Alli but technically he is limited and I think it shows at International level. He'd make an awesome impact sub though.
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