He shouldn't have been playing. End of story
Kane had an atrocious tournament
Kane was the biggest let down for me, simply because he's been brilliant for Spurs, but looked like he's forgotten how to play football. I don't know if it was fatigue, or what.
Yes he was the brightest spark at the World Cup when he was playing regular football at Liverpool. Then he forced a move to city in a deal worth £49m because he thought he was the muts nuts and worth £180,000 a week.
Now I don't blame him for making the move because anyone would but he had to knuckle down and let his football do the talking and he hasn't. He's not played regular football and has regressed as a player.
He should have stayed where he was and carried on playing and progressing like he was.
Who is to blame for Sterling, Kane, Dier, Rashford, Alli and co being pushed forward without proper development and FAR before they're ready to tackle the weight of England's fans and media's expectation.
They should ALL be playing at their appropriate age levels in international football. None of them are half as good as a Gascoinge, Rooney or Owen, who's ability was such that they forced there way in to the side on their own. But those are once a DECADE players.
It's a bad joke that we have the wonderful tool of age groups for young players, but treat them as if they're an insult to our best youngsters to play in. A bad joke.
"I don't know if it was fatigue, or what."
Fatigue doesn't make you kick a ball like a alcoholic on acid.
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 30 seconds ago
Kane was the biggest let down for me, simply because he's been brilliant for Spurs, but looked like he's forgotten how to play football. I don't know if it was fatigue, or what.
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Got to look at the management for that one!
Who in they're right mind thinks "let's take our striker out the box at set plays and have him take them" it's mind boggling, it really is.
He then doesn't put a decent ball in for the whole Russia game. At half time in that game someone should have taken him off that and put him in the box.
comment by Hafi's ethical brother (U20351)
posted 50 seconds ago
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
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Would have thought they'd be physically fit.
Rose, Walker and Alli didn't look exhausted. They just all played crap (Walker had two good games).
Sterling has taken a pounding lately
Puns galore
Sterling had a poor tournament but I agree it's unfair to single him out. Alli did very little as did Rooney and Kane was simply rubbish. I don't rate Kane as highly as some and think he will be be found out.
He shouldn't have been playing. End of story
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Perhaps, he impressed in the preparations and couldn't pull it off in the game. He has demonstrated in the past he can be one of England's leading players, so why should he be frozen out because of patchy form. It's not as if all the other alternatives are all that. Welbeck is injured. Ox has been terrible. So has Walcott. Lallana has seemed the best wide option, but his record of 0 goals in nearing 30 internationals, plus his profligacy during the tournament doesn't make him undroppable. Vardy is mediocre on the wings. How many options are better than Sterling?
Alli was atrocious as well, horrible
Everyone was poor to average, apart from maybe Dier and Walker although defensively he is still very suspect.
It'll now be at least 12 years since England have won a knockout game by the time the next WC is around, that's such a depressing stat.
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
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This has no validity at all. Pochettino isn't the first manager to utilize high-pressing, intense footy. Most of the Spain starting team team that won their last World Cup and Euros play such football and they didn't suddenly forget how to trap a ball or pass it in international tournaments. So did many of the German players who played for Bayern and Dortmund.
A player musn't only be world class OR useless
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Very true. And Sterling has certainly never been world class. Just because he got hyped up after the Italy game in the last world cup doesn't mean he wasn't a waste of space in this tournament. It's not inaccurate or unfair to point that out either. But you're right he doesn't need to be singled out because they were all useless.
It'll now be at least 12 years since England have won a knockout game by the time the next WC is around, that's such a depressing stat.
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It's a ridiculous stat. Look at even the Italians that came to this tournament with their worst squad in something like 50 years and they still look like contenders. Has to be a weird thing with mentality.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 14 seconds ago
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
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This has no validity at all. Pochettino isn't the first manager to utilize high-pressing, intense footy. Most of the Spain starting team team that won their last World Cup and Euros play such football and they didn't suddenly forget how to trap a ball or pass it in international tournaments. So did many of the German players who played for Bayern and Dortmund.
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But you don't take into account how they are trained into doing that. Poch has his players doing twice daily training sessions and statistically it's shown that they fade as the season goes on. The euros is a continuation of the end of the season so it's likely that Spurs players will still be very knackered.
Just because loads of sides have played pressing games doesn't mean they're all trained the same way or will all have the same amount of end of season tiredness. But the evidence shows that Poch sides run out of juice around April time,
Sterling looked our most potent attacking threat and considering he had a mediocre tournament, that tells you all you need to know.
Hodgson like at the last world cup made the wrong selection and has paid for it again.
Now the FA want to hire Southgate
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 seconds ago
Sterling looked our most potent attacking threat and considering he had a mediocre tournament, that tells you all you need to know.
Hodgson like at the last world cup made the wrong selection and has paid for it again.
Now the FA want to hire Southgate
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Mr Uninspiring himself
None of the players eligible for the u21's or lower should have been there. It hasn't done any of then any good at all and we've gone out at the first knock out stage again. This time to a team we should be able to play or 5th string side against and beat.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 19 minutes ago
He shouldn't have been playing. End of story
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this. And myself and a few others posted that they were worried that our only winger was so out of form before hand and have been proved correct
The English are all talented players. But they just haven't had a manager with a clear idea of how to get the best out of them for a long time. Imagine having Roy in the dressing room at half time after being 2-1 down to Iceland?
Like one other footballer said ages ago regarding Sven, they wanted Churchill but got Ian Duncan Smith
Just me who doesn't get the Dier love in?
He was part of an awful midfield, his distribution was slow and predictable and the only game he had work to do he is at fault for the Iceland second.
We should have 2 teams.
The team that plays all of the qualifying matches to get us to the tournaments, i.e. the current England team.
And a second team consisting of players who can take pressure and won't bottle it in front of goal.
A lot was made about England not losing a qualifying match on the way to the finals. Hell they didn't even lose a match in the group stages yet these same 'undefeated' players cannot get through a single knockout match.
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posted on 29/6/16
He shouldn't have been playing. End of story
posted on 29/6/16
Kane had an atrocious tournament
posted on 29/6/16
Kane was the biggest let down for me, simply because he's been brilliant for Spurs, but looked like he's forgotten how to play football. I don't know if it was fatigue, or what.
posted on 29/6/16
Yes he was the brightest spark at the World Cup when he was playing regular football at Liverpool. Then he forced a move to city in a deal worth £49m because he thought he was the muts nuts and worth £180,000 a week.
Now I don't blame him for making the move because anyone would but he had to knuckle down and let his football do the talking and he hasn't. He's not played regular football and has regressed as a player.
He should have stayed where he was and carried on playing and progressing like he was.
posted on 29/6/16
Who is to blame for Sterling, Kane, Dier, Rashford, Alli and co being pushed forward without proper development and FAR before they're ready to tackle the weight of England's fans and media's expectation.
They should ALL be playing at their appropriate age levels in international football. None of them are half as good as a Gascoinge, Rooney or Owen, who's ability was such that they forced there way in to the side on their own. But those are once a DECADE players.
It's a bad joke that we have the wonderful tool of age groups for young players, but treat them as if they're an insult to our best youngsters to play in. A bad joke.
posted on 29/6/16
"I don't know if it was fatigue, or what."
Fatigue doesn't make you kick a ball like a alcoholic on acid.
posted on 29/6/16
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 30 seconds ago
Kane was the biggest let down for me, simply because he's been brilliant for Spurs, but looked like he's forgotten how to play football. I don't know if it was fatigue, or what.
------------------------------
Got to look at the management for that one!
Who in they're right mind thinks "let's take our striker out the box at set plays and have him take them" it's mind boggling, it really is.
He then doesn't put a decent ball in for the whole Russia game. At half time in that game someone should have taken him off that and put him in the box.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Hafi's ethical brother (U20351)
posted 50 seconds ago
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
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Would have thought they'd be physically fit.
Rose, Walker and Alli didn't look exhausted. They just all played crap (Walker had two good games).
posted on 29/6/16
Sterling has taken a pounding lately
Puns galore
posted on 29/6/16
Sterling had a poor tournament but I agree it's unfair to single him out. Alli did very little as did Rooney and Kane was simply rubbish. I don't rate Kane as highly as some and think he will be be found out.
posted on 29/6/16
He shouldn't have been playing. End of story
----------------------------------------------
Perhaps, he impressed in the preparations and couldn't pull it off in the game. He has demonstrated in the past he can be one of England's leading players, so why should he be frozen out because of patchy form. It's not as if all the other alternatives are all that. Welbeck is injured. Ox has been terrible. So has Walcott. Lallana has seemed the best wide option, but his record of 0 goals in nearing 30 internationals, plus his profligacy during the tournament doesn't make him undroppable. Vardy is mediocre on the wings. How many options are better than Sterling?
posted on 29/6/16
Alli was atrocious as well, horrible
posted on 29/6/16
Everyone was poor to average, apart from maybe Dier and Walker although defensively he is still very suspect.
It'll now be at least 12 years since England have won a knockout game by the time the next WC is around, that's such a depressing stat.
posted on 29/6/16
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
------------------------------
This has no validity at all. Pochettino isn't the first manager to utilize high-pressing, intense footy. Most of the Spain starting team team that won their last World Cup and Euros play such football and they didn't suddenly forget how to trap a ball or pass it in international tournaments. So did many of the German players who played for Bayern and Dortmund.
posted on 29/6/16
A player musn't only be world class OR useless
---
Very true. And Sterling has certainly never been world class. Just because he got hyped up after the Italy game in the last world cup doesn't mean he wasn't a waste of space in this tournament. It's not inaccurate or unfair to point that out either. But you're right he doesn't need to be singled out because they were all useless.
posted on 29/6/16
It'll now be at least 12 years since England have won a knockout game by the time the next WC is around, that's such a depressing stat.
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It's a ridiculous stat. Look at even the Italians that came to this tournament with their worst squad in something like 50 years and they still look like contenders. Has to be a weird thing with mentality.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 14 seconds ago
The problem with playing Poch trained Spurs players is that they are physically exhausted by the time a World Cup comes around.
Quite why Roy couldn't see that and played 5 of them in most games was stupid.
------------------------------
This has no validity at all. Pochettino isn't the first manager to utilize high-pressing, intense footy. Most of the Spain starting team team that won their last World Cup and Euros play such football and they didn't suddenly forget how to trap a ball or pass it in international tournaments. So did many of the German players who played for Bayern and Dortmund.
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But you don't take into account how they are trained into doing that. Poch has his players doing twice daily training sessions and statistically it's shown that they fade as the season goes on. The euros is a continuation of the end of the season so it's likely that Spurs players will still be very knackered.
Just because loads of sides have played pressing games doesn't mean they're all trained the same way or will all have the same amount of end of season tiredness. But the evidence shows that Poch sides run out of juice around April time,
posted on 29/6/16
Sterling looked our most potent attacking threat and considering he had a mediocre tournament, that tells you all you need to know.
Hodgson like at the last world cup made the wrong selection and has paid for it again.
Now the FA want to hire Southgate
posted on 29/6/16
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 6 seconds ago
Sterling looked our most potent attacking threat and considering he had a mediocre tournament, that tells you all you need to know.
Hodgson like at the last world cup made the wrong selection and has paid for it again.
Now the FA want to hire Southgate
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Mr Uninspiring himself
posted on 29/6/16
None of the players eligible for the u21's or lower should have been there. It hasn't done any of then any good at all and we've gone out at the first knock out stage again. This time to a team we should be able to play or 5th string side against and beat.
posted on 29/6/16
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 19 minutes ago
He shouldn't have been playing. End of story
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this. And myself and a few others posted that they were worried that our only winger was so out of form before hand and have been proved correct
posted on 29/6/16
The English are all talented players. But they just haven't had a manager with a clear idea of how to get the best out of them for a long time. Imagine having Roy in the dressing room at half time after being 2-1 down to Iceland?
Like one other footballer said ages ago regarding Sven, they wanted Churchill but got Ian Duncan Smith
posted on 29/6/16
Just me who doesn't get the Dier love in?
He was part of an awful midfield, his distribution was slow and predictable and the only game he had work to do he is at fault for the Iceland second.
posted on 29/6/16
We should have 2 teams.
The team that plays all of the qualifying matches to get us to the tournaments, i.e. the current England team.
And a second team consisting of players who can take pressure and won't bottle it in front of goal.
A lot was made about England not losing a qualifying match on the way to the finals. Hell they didn't even lose a match in the group stages yet these same 'undefeated' players cannot get through a single knockout match.
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