with respect to city, they havent exactly got the best manager have they?
Lol @ Utd fans thinkin Fergie could do better than Mourinho in Spain right now.
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to be honest i have forgotten this is only his second season there, he just seems to have been there forever!
yeah i know Greatteamswinit4times but you always say it!
Ferguson is undoubtedly. It is not even a debate really.
Man management - Ferguson - he managed to convince Cantona to stay after the Crystal Palace incident left him feeling persecuted, he convinced Ronaldo to stay on for one more season, he has nurtured the talents of Giggs, Beckham and Rooney ensuring they are not burned out too early.
Transfer Window savvy - Ferguson - everyone talks about Bebe and Veron as dodgy, but the man has been dealing the the transfer window for years - bought in Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Schmeichel, Irwin, Keane, Van Nistelrooy, Yorke, Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Cantona - the list is long...
Motivating players - Ferguson - The hairdryer was something that no player ever wanted to receive, that is one hell of a motivator. In later life he has moved on from that method to more psychological methods of coercion.
Developing players - Ferguson - he has developed countless players in his time at United; Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Nevilles, Ronaldo, Rooney, Keane are headliners.
Tactical - Ferguson - he has teams which can play equally well at a variety of tactics - 4-4-2, 4-5-1, or 4-3-3 it is all interchangable and flowing.
Ability to change a game with subs - Ferguson - Half time at the community shield, Macheda on vs Aston Villa, again there are countless examples.
Media manipulation - Ferguson - the whole concept of mind games was not even in the lexicon of football before Fergie arrived - he has used the media extensively in his will to win. Indeed you could say Mourinho modelled his media style on Fergie.
Adaptability - Tie
Rebuilding teams - Ferguson - it is widely accepted that he has rebuilt 4 teams at Manchester United and all of them have gone on to considerable success. Mourinho doesn't rebuild he leaves for a new team.
Good looks/style - Mourinho - Well who could deny that Mourinho is a suave Mediterranean type, while Fergie is a gruff Scot with a face like granite.....
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STOP FIGHTING GUYS!!!!
Both are by far the best managers to grace the game.
Mourinho is the only guy who has the ability and the arrogance to succeed Fergie.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is deluded.
I don't get using the money thing against Mourhino it is not like United have been exactly skin flint under Ferguson's time there.
At the peak of Fergie's success in England (1998/1999) United were the highest spending team in England just like Chelsea were at the peak of Mourhino's success in England.
The difference being Mourhino has done it in Europe on a budget (relative) as well when at Porto.
I would also argue that he has had success in diefferent leagues as well where Fergie has had 25 years to entrench himself as the most powerful person in English football which foil hat or not gives him an advantage in the domestic league. Not so much on the pitch but definitely off it.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008) posted 8 minutes ago
his record is fine in Europe. three finals in 4 years, winning one is hardly underachieving and last year we were supposed to be pants too.
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Ferguson has said himself that United have underachieved in Europe in his time.
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He would though wouldn't he
The facts are only Barca Madrid and Milan have won it more in his time. three times.
OGBG (U9035)
You might want to do some research for the years prior to 1986 mate
Greatteamswinit4times are you sure, i always seem to see you saying it
not that im calling you a liar, we wouldnt want to go there again
comment by OGBG (U9035) posted 2 minutes ago
I don't get using the money thing against Mourhino it is not like United have been exactly skin flint under Ferguson's time there.
At the peak of Fergie's success in England (1998/1999) United were the highest spending team in England just like Chelsea were at the peak of Mourhino's success in England.
The difference being Mourhino has done it in Europe on a budget (relative) as well when at Porto.
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Need I mention SAF's time in Scottish Management?
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008) posted 9 seconds ago
He would though wouldn't he
The facts are only Barca Madrid and Milan have won it more in his time. three times.
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Whilst true, none of Barca, Real or Milan have had the kind of dominance domestically, nor the European record, in terms of qualifying for the latter rounds than United.
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more prrof he hasn't under-achieved
He has 2 European Cups.Not bad for a working class guy from Scotland eh
Mouseburger
Fergie is a great manager no doubt but some of the criteria that you're awarding to him without even thinkin about Jose is mad
Man Management. Mourinho builds up a bond with his players wherever he goes. There's not one player who has complained about him bar Balotelli. Ridiculous as it sounds, Grown men have cried when Mourinho leaves (Drogba, Materazzi)
Fergie has fallen out with numerous players over the years, Beckham, Stam, Keane, Nistelrooy even Rooney but stil is a good man manager but I dont think he's on Mourinho's level.
fine Greatteamswinit4times i'll believe you
man management ability - mourinho
motivating players - draw
ability to develop players, fergie
transfer window savvy - draw
tactical knowledge - mourinho
ability to change a game with subs - Draw
media manipulation ability - fergie
adaptability - mourinho
rebuilding teams ability and well - fergie
good looks/style - doesnt matter
Fergie 3 - 3 mourinho
Mourinho's greatest strength is his tactical knowledge. Although he is persistent on stopping barca with the defensive game plan when its more and more apparent that rigid formations dont work against them, He is the best tactician around.
One thing Mourinho yet to do is rebuild his team. Although he wasnt given time at Chelsea and went for bigger and better at Prto and Inter, until he proves he can rebuild teams
Fergie > mourinho
Ability to change a game with subs - Ferguson - Half time at the community shield, Macheda on vs Aston Villa, again there are countless examples.
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Macheda against VIlla? He brought him on late on in the second half when you need a winner? Is that really tactical genius?
Mourinho used to make subs after just 30mins if he saw something wasnt right
Short term Mourinho
Long term Fergie
I guess there's no way trophy count won't get into this discussion. And as for examples, fergie has lasted longer so will most likely get much more. I think mourinho wins on transfers though. Lucio, thiago motta and milito all for less than 2million pounds. Sneijder for fifteen. Eto'o virtually on a free. Same with sahin, ozil, and khedira all young and all under 13 million pounds. Carvalho everytime, essien and so many others.
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Ability to change a game with subs - Ferguson - Half time at the community shield, Macheda on vs Aston Villa, again there are countless examples.
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Macheda against VIlla? He brought him on late on in the second half when you need a winner? Is that really tactical genius?
Mourinho used to make subs after just 30mins if he saw something wasnt right
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Can remember a fair few times when he brought 3 subs on at or before half time only for you to finish the game with 10 men due to injury so not sure that was one of his strengths
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posted on 6/9/11
with respect to city, they havent exactly got the best manager have they?
posted on 6/9/11
Lol @ Utd fans thinkin Fergie could do better than Mourinho in Spain right now.
posted on 6/9/11
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posted on 6/9/11
to be honest i have forgotten this is only his second season there, he just seems to have been there forever!
posted on 6/9/11
yeah i know Greatteamswinit4times but you always say it!
posted on 6/9/11
Ferguson is undoubtedly. It is not even a debate really.
Man management - Ferguson - he managed to convince Cantona to stay after the Crystal Palace incident left him feeling persecuted, he convinced Ronaldo to stay on for one more season, he has nurtured the talents of Giggs, Beckham and Rooney ensuring they are not burned out too early.
Transfer Window savvy - Ferguson - everyone talks about Bebe and Veron as dodgy, but the man has been dealing the the transfer window for years - bought in Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Schmeichel, Irwin, Keane, Van Nistelrooy, Yorke, Bruce, Pallister, Stam, Cantona - the list is long...
Motivating players - Ferguson - The hairdryer was something that no player ever wanted to receive, that is one hell of a motivator. In later life he has moved on from that method to more psychological methods of coercion.
Developing players - Ferguson - he has developed countless players in his time at United; Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Nevilles, Ronaldo, Rooney, Keane are headliners.
Tactical - Ferguson - he has teams which can play equally well at a variety of tactics - 4-4-2, 4-5-1, or 4-3-3 it is all interchangable and flowing.
Ability to change a game with subs - Ferguson - Half time at the community shield, Macheda on vs Aston Villa, again there are countless examples.
Media manipulation - Ferguson - the whole concept of mind games was not even in the lexicon of football before Fergie arrived - he has used the media extensively in his will to win. Indeed you could say Mourinho modelled his media style on Fergie.
Adaptability - Tie
Rebuilding teams - Ferguson - it is widely accepted that he has rebuilt 4 teams at Manchester United and all of them have gone on to considerable success. Mourinho doesn't rebuild he leaves for a new team.
Good looks/style - Mourinho - Well who could deny that Mourinho is a suave Mediterranean type, while Fergie is a gruff Scot with a face like granite.....
posted on 6/9/11
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posted on 6/9/11
STOP FIGHTING GUYS!!!!
Both are by far the best managers to grace the game.
Mourinho is the only guy who has the ability and the arrogance to succeed Fergie.
Anybody who thinks otherwise is deluded.
posted on 6/9/11
I don't get using the money thing against Mourhino it is not like United have been exactly skin flint under Ferguson's time there.
At the peak of Fergie's success in England (1998/1999) United were the highest spending team in England just like Chelsea were at the peak of Mourhino's success in England.
The difference being Mourhino has done it in Europe on a budget (relative) as well when at Porto.
I would also argue that he has had success in diefferent leagues as well where Fergie has had 25 years to entrench himself as the most powerful person in English football which foil hat or not gives him an advantage in the domestic league. Not so much on the pitch but definitely off it.
posted on 6/9/11
comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008) posted 8 minutes ago
his record is fine in Europe. three finals in 4 years, winning one is hardly underachieving and last year we were supposed to be pants too.
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Ferguson has said himself that United have underachieved in Europe in his time.
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He would though wouldn't he
The facts are only Barca Madrid and Milan have won it more in his time. three times.
posted on 6/9/11
OGBG (U9035)
You might want to do some research for the years prior to 1986 mate
posted on 6/9/11
Greatteamswinit4times are you sure, i always seem to see you saying it
not that im calling you a liar, we wouldnt want to go there again
posted on 6/9/11
Fair play danny jeeves
posted on 6/9/11
comment by OGBG (U9035) posted 2 minutes ago
I don't get using the money thing against Mourhino it is not like United have been exactly skin flint under Ferguson's time there.
At the peak of Fergie's success in England (1998/1999) United were the highest spending team in England just like Chelsea were at the peak of Mourhino's success in England.
The difference being Mourhino has done it in Europe on a budget (relative) as well when at Porto.
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Need I mention SAF's time in Scottish Management?
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008) posted 9 seconds ago
He would though wouldn't he
The facts are only Barca Madrid and Milan have won it more in his time. three times.
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Whilst true, none of Barca, Real or Milan have had the kind of dominance domestically, nor the European record, in terms of qualifying for the latter rounds than United.
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more prrof he hasn't under-achieved
He has 2 European Cups.Not bad for a working class guy from Scotland eh
posted on 6/9/11
Mouseburger
Fergie is a great manager no doubt but some of the criteria that you're awarding to him without even thinkin about Jose is mad
Man Management. Mourinho builds up a bond with his players wherever he goes. There's not one player who has complained about him bar Balotelli. Ridiculous as it sounds, Grown men have cried when Mourinho leaves (Drogba, Materazzi)
Fergie has fallen out with numerous players over the years, Beckham, Stam, Keane, Nistelrooy even Rooney but stil is a good man manager but I dont think he's on Mourinho's level.
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posted on 6/9/11
fine Greatteamswinit4times i'll believe you
posted on 6/9/11
man management ability - mourinho
motivating players - draw
ability to develop players, fergie
transfer window savvy - draw
tactical knowledge - mourinho
ability to change a game with subs - Draw
media manipulation ability - fergie
adaptability - mourinho
rebuilding teams ability and well - fergie
good looks/style - doesnt matter
Fergie 3 - 3 mourinho
Mourinho's greatest strength is his tactical knowledge. Although he is persistent on stopping barca with the defensive game plan when its more and more apparent that rigid formations dont work against them, He is the best tactician around.
One thing Mourinho yet to do is rebuild his team. Although he wasnt given time at Chelsea and went for bigger and better at Prto and Inter, until he proves he can rebuild teams
Fergie > mourinho
posted on 6/9/11
Ability to change a game with subs - Ferguson - Half time at the community shield, Macheda on vs Aston Villa, again there are countless examples.
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Macheda against VIlla? He brought him on late on in the second half when you need a winner? Is that really tactical genius?
Mourinho used to make subs after just 30mins if he saw something wasnt right
posted on 6/9/11
Short term Mourinho
Long term Fergie
posted on 6/9/11
I guess there's no way trophy count won't get into this discussion. And as for examples, fergie has lasted longer so will most likely get much more. I think mourinho wins on transfers though. Lucio, thiago motta and milito all for less than 2million pounds. Sneijder for fifteen. Eto'o virtually on a free. Same with sahin, ozil, and khedira all young and all under 13 million pounds. Carvalho everytime, essien and so many others.
posted on 6/9/11
comment by Mr Chelsea... (U3579)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ability to change a game with subs - Ferguson - Half time at the community shield, Macheda on vs Aston Villa, again there are countless examples.
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Macheda against VIlla? He brought him on late on in the second half when you need a winner? Is that really tactical genius?
Mourinho used to make subs after just 30mins if he saw something wasnt right
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Can remember a fair few times when he brought 3 subs on at or before half time only for you to finish the game with 10 men due to injury so not sure that was one of his strengths
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