comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ferguson has said himself that United have underachieved in Europe in his time.
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This argument of "Ferguson has said himself" doesnt add any value. SAF is a winner and winners always try to push themselves. its like a kid extremely good at maths getting 95 out of 100 and saying he could have got 100. does it mean he underachieved because "he has said himself"?
United got to 3 CL finals in 4 years. how is it underachieving?
And the subs thing is one i've always felt mourinho had the edge on too. This comparison would be fairer if we compared them from 2002 to now when both started coaching at the top level.
Ferguson has proven time and time again that he can dismantle one great team and build another just as good if not better.
Mourinho has never stuck around long enough at anyone club to see if he can do this.
You'll only be able to see the full picture when they BOTH have retired...
It's got to be Mourinho. Once he proves he can create a legacy at one specific club (which he'll do at his next job, i'm sure of it), he'll be immortal.
It's a same reason i'll always think more highly of C. Ronaldo than Messi. You can't cast aside the challenge that comes from stepping away from a safe haven and still performing at a level befitting an all time great, even improving on your previous level of ability. Not taking a thing away from Ferguson, cos as it pains me deeply to say it, he is probably the greatest manager in English football history.
If you took Mourinho's tactical genius and Ferguson ability to develop talent right the way through to complete maturity, you have the complete football manager far as i'm concerned.
You have to give it to Fergie although I doubt Fergie is happy with only two Champions Leagues medals in his time as manager.
Mourinho has already matched that.
Probably why Fergie hasn´t retired yet. He wants three or four.
comment by IzutaDGuus - The ExtraTorresTrial - CL? - Its just a mata of sturridge playing and . . . well . . . time. (U3581)
I think mourinho wins on transfers though. Lucio, thiago motta and milito all for less than 2million pounds. Sneijder for fifteen. Eto'o virtually on a free. Same with sahin, ozil, and khedira
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You forgot Shevchenko. most of the players in your list are players who were on last year of their contract and u are disregarding the English premium. All and all mourinho doesn't wins on transfer market because both of them have made numerous good signings and occasional blunders
How can people compare these two great managers? Lets judge Mourinho in 20 years...
@OGBG, check your history, at St Mirren the gates went from 1000 to 10000, at Aberdeen he broke the Glasgow stranglehold on the league then won in Europe, THEN he went to United.
People should also remember Rooneys comments when Uturning over leaving, it was Ferguson who got him to stay, as well as Ronaldo for the extra season and getting Cantona to come back.
Also, United are renowned for late, game-salvaging goals to get a point or 3 when it matters. If that isnt a huge pointer towards Fergusons subs record, then I dont know...
You forgot Shevchenko. most of the players in your list are players who were on last year of their contract and u are disregarding the English premium. All and all mourinho doesn't wins on transfer market because both of them have made numerous good signings and occasional blunders
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WHOA. Hang on. I thought Roman buys all the players? Or does that only apply when it suits your argument
comment by Mr Chelsea... (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
You forgot Shevchenko. most of the players in your list are players who were on last year of their contract and u are disregarding the English premium. All and all mourinho doesn't wins on transfer market because both of them have made numerous good signings and occasional blunders
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WHOA. Hang on. I thought Roman buys all the players? Or does that only apply when it suits your argument
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He does buy all the players, doubt Mourinho had 30 odd million to waste himself
WHOA. Hang on. I thought Roman buys all the players? Or does that only apply when it suits your argument
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Roman is responsible for all the purchases in Chelsea and Mourinho has the sole responsibility at Inter and Real. Is that how it work?
Man Management Ability - Ferguson
Motivating Players - Tie
Developing Players - Ferguson
Transfer Window Savvy - Ferguson
Tactical - Mourinho
Media Manipulation - Ferguson
Adaptability - Mourinho
Good Looks/Style -
Tbh SAF is without doubt the greatest manager of all time so it isn't fair to compare anybody to him. Mourinho is only young though, he's got at least another 20 years of management left in him, and in that time I would expect him to overhaul SAF in the trophy count.
Both signed Veron
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That was Ranieri. Veron was the first Chelsea player to leave under Mourinho.
IzutaDGuus
'I think mourinho wins on transfers though. Lucio, thiago motta and milito all for less than 2million pounds. Sneijder for fifteen. Eto'o virtually on a free. Same with sahin, ozil, and khedira all young and all under 13 million pounds. Carvalho everytime, essien and so many others.'
Hang on. At Inter and at first at Real he didn't have total control of transfers, did he? Those clubs have powerful presidents who make decisions about money, and the manager's role tends to be handing a wish-list. And while you're congratulating Mourinho for getting contract-winding-down players like Ozil for a small fee (when obviously most top teams in Europe were interested and it was the caché of Real Madrid that swung it), let's not forget he is at the helm of the most expensive squad of all time.
As for Essien - how is that evidence of Mourinho's managerial genius? United had been trying to buy him for a couple of seasons, with Lyon's owner knocking back offers when Chelsea turned up and made an offer (fuelled by the petro-roubles) that United couldn't match and Lyon couldn't turn down. Is that transfer savvy or just working for a very rich man?
I'm not making any ultimate judgement about the two managers, both of whom are modern greats in quite different ways, but those points you make seem very tendentious.
That was Ranieri. Veron was the first Chelsea player to leave under Mourinho
I knew that
Tbh SAF is without doubt the greatest manager of all time so it isn't fair to compare anybody to him.
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Whilst I agree he probably is the greatest I don't think it's beyond doubt. To suggest no comparisons can be made with anyone is a bit much...
Poking somebody in the eye: Jose
Starting a fight in an empty room: Jose
Running down the side of the pitch finger on lips: Jose
Farting in his hand and having a sniff: Jose
Farting under the duvet making the wife sniff it: Jose
I just burst out laughing watching this.
Everyone just watch it. You dont even need sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgX0StRq6zk
Mr Chelsea that's hilarious
BatManu
He was celebrating like he scored the winner
The commentators, "the celebration is so unique even Valdes joined in"
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posted on 6/9/11
comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008)
posted 18 minutes ago
Ferguson has said himself that United have underachieved in Europe in his time.
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This argument of "Ferguson has said himself" doesnt add any value. SAF is a winner and winners always try to push themselves. its like a kid extremely good at maths getting 95 out of 100 and saying he could have got 100. does it mean he underachieved because "he has said himself"?
United got to 3 CL finals in 4 years. how is it underachieving?
posted on 6/9/11
And the subs thing is one i've always felt mourinho had the edge on too. This comparison would be fairer if we compared them from 2002 to now when both started coaching at the top level.
posted on 6/9/11
Ferguson has proven time and time again that he can dismantle one great team and build another just as good if not better.
Mourinho has never stuck around long enough at anyone club to see if he can do this.
posted on 6/9/11
You'll only be able to see the full picture when they BOTH have retired...
posted on 6/9/11
It's got to be Mourinho. Once he proves he can create a legacy at one specific club (which he'll do at his next job, i'm sure of it), he'll be immortal.
It's a same reason i'll always think more highly of C. Ronaldo than Messi. You can't cast aside the challenge that comes from stepping away from a safe haven and still performing at a level befitting an all time great, even improving on your previous level of ability. Not taking a thing away from Ferguson, cos as it pains me deeply to say it, he is probably the greatest manager in English football history.
If you took Mourinho's tactical genius and Ferguson ability to develop talent right the way through to complete maturity, you have the complete football manager far as i'm concerned.
posted on 6/9/11
You have to give it to Fergie although I doubt Fergie is happy with only two Champions Leagues medals in his time as manager.
Mourinho has already matched that.
Probably why Fergie hasn´t retired yet. He wants three or four.
posted on 6/9/11
comment by IzutaDGuus - The ExtraTorresTrial - CL? - Its just a mata of sturridge playing and . . . well . . . time. (U3581)
I think mourinho wins on transfers though. Lucio, thiago motta and milito all for less than 2million pounds. Sneijder for fifteen. Eto'o virtually on a free. Same with sahin, ozil, and khedira
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You forgot Shevchenko. most of the players in your list are players who were on last year of their contract and u are disregarding the English premium. All and all mourinho doesn't wins on transfer market because both of them have made numerous good signings and occasional blunders
posted on 6/9/11
How can people compare these two great managers? Lets judge Mourinho in 20 years...
@OGBG, check your history, at St Mirren the gates went from 1000 to 10000, at Aberdeen he broke the Glasgow stranglehold on the league then won in Europe, THEN he went to United.
People should also remember Rooneys comments when Uturning over leaving, it was Ferguson who got him to stay, as well as Ronaldo for the extra season and getting Cantona to come back.
Also, United are renowned for late, game-salvaging goals to get a point or 3 when it matters. If that isnt a huge pointer towards Fergusons subs record, then I dont know...
posted on 6/9/11
You forgot Shevchenko. most of the players in your list are players who were on last year of their contract and u are disregarding the English premium. All and all mourinho doesn't wins on transfer market because both of them have made numerous good signings and occasional blunders
===
WHOA. Hang on. I thought Roman buys all the players? Or does that only apply when it suits your argument
posted on 6/9/11
comment by Mr Chelsea... (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
You forgot Shevchenko. most of the players in your list are players who were on last year of their contract and u are disregarding the English premium. All and all mourinho doesn't wins on transfer market because both of them have made numerous good signings and occasional blunders
===
WHOA. Hang on. I thought Roman buys all the players? Or does that only apply when it suits your argument
---------------
He does buy all the players, doubt Mourinho had 30 odd million to waste himself
posted on 6/9/11
WHOA. Hang on. I thought Roman buys all the players? Or does that only apply when it suits your argument
------------------------------------------------
Roman is responsible for all the purchases in Chelsea and Mourinho has the sole responsibility at Inter and Real. Is that how it work?
posted on 6/9/11
Man Management Ability - Ferguson
Motivating Players - Tie
Developing Players - Ferguson
Transfer Window Savvy - Ferguson
Tactical - Mourinho
Media Manipulation - Ferguson
Adaptability - Mourinho
Good Looks/Style -
Tbh SAF is without doubt the greatest manager of all time so it isn't fair to compare anybody to him. Mourinho is only young though, he's got at least another 20 years of management left in him, and in that time I would expect him to overhaul SAF in the trophy count.
posted on 6/9/11
Both signed Veron
posted on 6/9/11
Both signed Veron
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That was Ranieri. Veron was the first Chelsea player to leave under Mourinho.
posted on 6/9/11
IzutaDGuus
'I think mourinho wins on transfers though. Lucio, thiago motta and milito all for less than 2million pounds. Sneijder for fifteen. Eto'o virtually on a free. Same with sahin, ozil, and khedira all young and all under 13 million pounds. Carvalho everytime, essien and so many others.'
Hang on. At Inter and at first at Real he didn't have total control of transfers, did he? Those clubs have powerful presidents who make decisions about money, and the manager's role tends to be handing a wish-list. And while you're congratulating Mourinho for getting contract-winding-down players like Ozil for a small fee (when obviously most top teams in Europe were interested and it was the caché of Real Madrid that swung it), let's not forget he is at the helm of the most expensive squad of all time.
As for Essien - how is that evidence of Mourinho's managerial genius? United had been trying to buy him for a couple of seasons, with Lyon's owner knocking back offers when Chelsea turned up and made an offer (fuelled by the petro-roubles) that United couldn't match and Lyon couldn't turn down. Is that transfer savvy or just working for a very rich man?
I'm not making any ultimate judgement about the two managers, both of whom are modern greats in quite different ways, but those points you make seem very tendentious.
posted on 6/9/11
That was Ranieri. Veron was the first Chelsea player to leave under Mourinho
I knew that
posted on 6/9/11
Tbh SAF is without doubt the greatest manager of all time so it isn't fair to compare anybody to him.
------------------------
Whilst I agree he probably is the greatest I don't think it's beyond doubt. To suggest no comparisons can be made with anyone is a bit much...
posted on 6/9/11
Poking somebody in the eye: Jose
Starting a fight in an empty room: Jose
Running down the side of the pitch finger on lips: Jose
Farting in his hand and having a sniff: Jose
Farting under the duvet making the wife sniff it: Jose
posted on 6/9/11
I just burst out laughing watching this.
Everyone just watch it. You dont even need sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgX0StRq6zk
posted on 6/9/11
posted on 6/9/11
posted on 6/9/11
Mr Chelsea that's hilarious
posted on 6/9/11
BatManu
He was celebrating like he scored the winner
posted on 6/9/11
The commentators, "the celebration is so unique even Valdes joined in"
posted on 6/9/11
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