So Jose record is better. Thank's
comment by luckyPeterpiper (U3827) posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Fergie. All day long. Twenty five year record at Utd, five maybe six completely rebuilt teams yet the trophies never stop coming. Not that I'm jealous
I mean being a lifelong trotter I me be hurled off the top of the West Stand AND East Stand for this but Fergie is streets ahead of everyone else in the prem era and frankly whomever gets the job after him has the worst job in the world. Mourinho can be replaced wherever he's been and constantly has been without seeing a huge dip or drop in results or fan confidence in the club but what have Aberdeen accomplished since the Fergie years?
He is simply irreplaceable. Someone will succeed him, sit in his chair and manage the Utd players but that person will NEVER replace him in the hearts and minds of Man Utd football club fans. He's actually the only man who could rival the late Sir Matt Busby and IMO the moment he leaves that office for the last time will be the most crucial in Utd history because get it wrong and like the post busby era it could be years before the red devils rise again.
You can't say that about Jose and I doubt you ever will. He's not got the same flair and passion for the task. He gets bored or argueswith players and board then spits his dummy and walks. Fergie has survived and prospered in one of fottball's biggest club jobs for more than a quarter of a century, seen owners, chairmen and boards change. seen players go through their entire careers and seen off every challenger outside. Arsenal, conquered. Chelsea, in the process of being replaced as the most credible threat by city and the unlimited cheque book. City? If I were a Manc Blue I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Mancini to take you past Utd and KEEP you there.
As long as SAF holds that job like it or not Utd wear the crown. They lend it out for a season or sometimes two but they always take it back. No one will be more bothered by the Barca Game than SAF and you'd better believe he won't EVER let that happen again.
Simply put Fergie is THE complete manager and is in the job he was born to do with the club he was destined to do it at. I hate it, really really hate it 'cos everyone I know living around me is a red fan but facts are facts. In a straight heads up Fergie v Mourinho it's the dour scotsman who wins every time.
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I am so glad I came across this post from a neutral fan too.
Every credit to you Sir
so you do know then? why lie?
using that critea ian holloway is a 100% better manager than dalglish!
I have no criteria. You are paranoid. Just wanted to know the answer
Without knocking Uniteds success, it is much easier to remain competitive in the modern game with the resources available.
That is a fact always ignored by the ignorant.
Jose and Fergie have completely different aspects to their game.
For example if i wanted some-one to build a legacy then Fergie's my man but if i wanted some-one who will win me a few cups, imediate league titles and some-one who will regually outsmart other top managers then Jose wins hands down.
People like ot say if you have Jose down Leyton Orient for example he will do bad well i can guarentee you he will win them league one, why? he will give the players belief they can beat any-one and can you also imagine players of Hartlepool for example loooking on the opposing bench and seeing Jose Mourinho? they would be beaten before the game kicks off.
Both great managers for completely different reason's
Mourinho = Fergies successor at United.
Mourinho is simply the best
comment by RedIndian (U9010) posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Mourinho = Fergies successor at United.
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I was listening to Gill talk about this recently and unless the applicant is prepared to continue in the United way, then he said they would not be a suitable manager for United anyway
Mourinho has no chance of managing United in my opinion. Not unless he drastically alters his management style
I think you have to remember with United's european record England wasn't quite the powerhouse it was back in the day, before United started winning trophies in Europe it had been a while....
Would we consider a manager poor for struggling to win european trophies in an inferior league ?
Fair play Jose at Porto was pretty impressive winning the champions league... how would we compare it with Alex winning the cup winners cup with Aberdeen... not sure how exactly we would compare the sides but Porto are probably a bigger side in their league than Aberdeen was in Scotland.
I have to give him his salesmanship skills though, convincing Barca to part with all that money and Eto for Ibrahimovic was pretty impressive and he spent the money well. Fair play on Milito (fairly cheap right) but sneijder was fairly well known as a good player
At Chelsea he did have a fairly open cheque book to help their rise, Alex may have outspent rivals in a few seasons but never the kind of monetary advantage Mourinho had at Chelsea.
On the other hand people judge him too harshly on his Madrid time he is against a really good Barca team...
People seem to refuse to consider any of the conditions in which these people worked... thats a pretty vital component...
For me Ferguson > Mourinho though he is still a good coach, seen as he is young I suppose he could one day overtake Ferguson but I am not to sure myself..
comment by IzutaDGuus - The ExtraTorresTrial - CL? - Its just a mata of sturridge playing and . . . well . . . time. (U3581) posted 19 hours, 2 minutes ago
Benzema is currently in the best form of his life, mourinho made santon. He said so himself. Only the case of pedro leon has any credibility. And we all know what balotelli is. On fergie's side, we can call numerous great players that he's fallen out with.
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Benzema is currently in the best form of his life after one season where Mourinho treated him badly, played without a CF and played Adebayor in front of him. Even if his form or training was bad, Mourinho didn't motivate him but kicked him when he was down by going the press and scouting for a new CF and saying Benzema does not understand football and similar comments.
Santon got a few games with Mourinho and was then ignored after he was injured and lost form. In his 1st season he was the "new Maldidi" now he is a Newcastle. His fall was long and it had to do with Mourinho. He's done the same with Pedro Leon which you agree with.
Balotelli is an idiot its true and he was propbably bad in training or whatever but Mourinho again slated him in the press.
My point is not to say Fergie is an angel when it comes to players, he has had bust ups with Stam, Keane, Beckham and RVN, but he does not air dirty laundry in the media, he backs his players and he has by far the best record in motivating and developing young players.
Note Benzema, Leon, Balotelli and Santon were under 23 when this incidents occured. Unquestionable talent but no support from the manager. I'd also maybe add Canales to the list as he is not getting any game time at Madrid and when he has played looks short of confidence.
You can't really blame mourinho for santon. He was 17 and mourinho put faith in him. The fact that chivu came back when santon was out and is older and better meant it would be difficult to displace him. And how many eighteen year olds do you see starting regularly for top european teams? I think the media antics with benzema were aimed at bringing the best out of him as well as the adebayor signing. It obviously worked cos benzema had his best goal tally last season. And played more minutes than any other madrid forward from january. The phrase 'different strokes for different folks' comes to mind. Mourinho felt using the press would work with those players and so used it. I don't have a link to an article right now but i'm sure santon said he owes everything to mourinho for having faith in him in the first place. And i'm confident you won't find any other players that mourinho worked with who have a bad word about him and that's something to praise him for considering he's coached in 4 countries with big teams(thus big egos) and different traditions.
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posted on 6/9/11
So Jose record is better. Thank's
posted on 6/9/11
comment by luckyPeterpiper (U3827) posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Fergie. All day long. Twenty five year record at Utd, five maybe six completely rebuilt teams yet the trophies never stop coming. Not that I'm jealous
I mean being a lifelong trotter I me be hurled off the top of the West Stand AND East Stand for this but Fergie is streets ahead of everyone else in the prem era and frankly whomever gets the job after him has the worst job in the world. Mourinho can be replaced wherever he's been and constantly has been without seeing a huge dip or drop in results or fan confidence in the club but what have Aberdeen accomplished since the Fergie years?
He is simply irreplaceable. Someone will succeed him, sit in his chair and manage the Utd players but that person will NEVER replace him in the hearts and minds of Man Utd football club fans. He's actually the only man who could rival the late Sir Matt Busby and IMO the moment he leaves that office for the last time will be the most crucial in Utd history because get it wrong and like the post busby era it could be years before the red devils rise again.
You can't say that about Jose and I doubt you ever will. He's not got the same flair and passion for the task. He gets bored or argueswith players and board then spits his dummy and walks. Fergie has survived and prospered in one of fottball's biggest club jobs for more than a quarter of a century, seen owners, chairmen and boards change. seen players go through their entire careers and seen off every challenger outside. Arsenal, conquered. Chelsea, in the process of being replaced as the most credible threat by city and the unlimited cheque book. City? If I were a Manc Blue I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Mancini to take you past Utd and KEEP you there.
As long as SAF holds that job like it or not Utd wear the crown. They lend it out for a season or sometimes two but they always take it back. No one will be more bothered by the Barca Game than SAF and you'd better believe he won't EVER let that happen again.
Simply put Fergie is THE complete manager and is in the job he was born to do with the club he was destined to do it at. I hate it, really really hate it 'cos everyone I know living around me is a red fan but facts are facts. In a straight heads up Fergie v Mourinho it's the dour scotsman who wins every time.
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I am so glad I came across this post from a neutral fan too.
Every credit to you Sir
posted on 6/9/11
so you do know then? why lie?
posted on 6/9/11
I have no idea. Do you ?
posted on 6/9/11
using that critea ian holloway is a 100% better manager than dalglish!
posted on 6/9/11
I have no criteria. You are paranoid. Just wanted to know the answer
posted on 6/9/11
ok
posted on 6/9/11
Without knocking Uniteds success, it is much easier to remain competitive in the modern game with the resources available.
That is a fact always ignored by the ignorant.
posted on 6/9/11
Jose and Fergie have completely different aspects to their game.
For example if i wanted some-one to build a legacy then Fergie's my man but if i wanted some-one who will win me a few cups, imediate league titles and some-one who will regually outsmart other top managers then Jose wins hands down.
People like ot say if you have Jose down Leyton Orient for example he will do bad well i can guarentee you he will win them league one, why? he will give the players belief they can beat any-one and can you also imagine players of Hartlepool for example loooking on the opposing bench and seeing Jose Mourinho? they would be beaten before the game kicks off.
Both great managers for completely different reason's
posted on 6/9/11
Mourinho = Fergies successor at United.
posted on 6/9/11
Mourinho is simply the best
posted on 6/9/11
comment by RedIndian (U9010) posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Mourinho = Fergies successor at United.
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I was listening to Gill talk about this recently and unless the applicant is prepared to continue in the United way, then he said they would not be a suitable manager for United anyway
Mourinho has no chance of managing United in my opinion. Not unless he drastically alters his management style
posted on 7/9/11
I think you have to remember with United's european record England wasn't quite the powerhouse it was back in the day, before United started winning trophies in Europe it had been a while....
Would we consider a manager poor for struggling to win european trophies in an inferior league ?
Fair play Jose at Porto was pretty impressive winning the champions league... how would we compare it with Alex winning the cup winners cup with Aberdeen... not sure how exactly we would compare the sides but Porto are probably a bigger side in their league than Aberdeen was in Scotland.
I have to give him his salesmanship skills though, convincing Barca to part with all that money and Eto for Ibrahimovic was pretty impressive and he spent the money well. Fair play on Milito (fairly cheap right) but sneijder was fairly well known as a good player
At Chelsea he did have a fairly open cheque book to help their rise, Alex may have outspent rivals in a few seasons but never the kind of monetary advantage Mourinho had at Chelsea.
On the other hand people judge him too harshly on his Madrid time he is against a really good Barca team...
People seem to refuse to consider any of the conditions in which these people worked... thats a pretty vital component...
For me Ferguson > Mourinho though he is still a good coach, seen as he is young I suppose he could one day overtake Ferguson but I am not to sure myself..
posted on 7/9/11
comment by IzutaDGuus - The ExtraTorresTrial - CL? - Its just a mata of sturridge playing and . . . well . . . time. (U3581) posted 19 hours, 2 minutes ago
Benzema is currently in the best form of his life, mourinho made santon. He said so himself. Only the case of pedro leon has any credibility. And we all know what balotelli is. On fergie's side, we can call numerous great players that he's fallen out with.
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Benzema is currently in the best form of his life after one season where Mourinho treated him badly, played without a CF and played Adebayor in front of him. Even if his form or training was bad, Mourinho didn't motivate him but kicked him when he was down by going the press and scouting for a new CF and saying Benzema does not understand football and similar comments.
Santon got a few games with Mourinho and was then ignored after he was injured and lost form. In his 1st season he was the "new Maldidi" now he is a Newcastle. His fall was long and it had to do with Mourinho. He's done the same with Pedro Leon which you agree with.
Balotelli is an idiot its true and he was propbably bad in training or whatever but Mourinho again slated him in the press.
My point is not to say Fergie is an angel when it comes to players, he has had bust ups with Stam, Keane, Beckham and RVN, but he does not air dirty laundry in the media, he backs his players and he has by far the best record in motivating and developing young players.
Note Benzema, Leon, Balotelli and Santon were under 23 when this incidents occured. Unquestionable talent but no support from the manager. I'd also maybe add Canales to the list as he is not getting any game time at Madrid and when he has played looks short of confidence.
posted on 7/9/11
You can't really blame mourinho for santon. He was 17 and mourinho put faith in him. The fact that chivu came back when santon was out and is older and better meant it would be difficult to displace him. And how many eighteen year olds do you see starting regularly for top european teams? I think the media antics with benzema were aimed at bringing the best out of him as well as the adebayor signing. It obviously worked cos benzema had his best goal tally last season. And played more minutes than any other madrid forward from january. The phrase 'different strokes for different folks' comes to mind. Mourinho felt using the press would work with those players and so used it. I don't have a link to an article right now but i'm sure santon said he owes everything to mourinho for having faith in him in the first place. And i'm confident you won't find any other players that mourinho worked with who have a bad word about him and that's something to praise him for considering he's coached in 4 countries with big teams(thus big egos) and different traditions.
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