Even before I started reading your thread I knew it was going to finish by saying we should play 3-5-2
It's pretty much been your default answer to any issue since last year. You were desperate for Ranieri to play it then and thankfully he switched the full backs instead
It worked well for what we needed it to do at the time. I never saw it as a long term answer but I don't think Ranieri can keep gong with 2 upfront without Kante
Good synopsis of where we are true blue
How ever I dont think complacency is the problem
More still not match fit and the formation needs a tweek
comment by dublin fox (was london fox)(now Cambridge fox)(can not spell fox) (U1131)
posted 1 minute ago
Good synopsis of where we are true blue
How ever I dont think complacency is the problem
More still not match fit and the formation needs a tweek
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Hi Dublin, I don't think match fitness should really be an issue by now, not physically anyway?
Still, one bloke on the radio tonight said we are in for a real tough relegation fight, talk about over reaction!
Wait until the CL kicks in.
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I agree with your 352. Your right we will never replace Kante he was perfect for how we set up last season. But he's gone so we have to find a different why. Albrighton is a far better player on the right than the left and would suit right wing back.
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TB feel free to delete my response. Can understand if you don't want the thread littered by wolves fans
We can expect WUMs but trying to keep this sensible for Leicester fans.
Glad I don't listen to radio if we are already in a relegation fight,
Do we have the players to swop formations during the match without using substitutions ?
I too was wondering a similar thing this evening: With Kante gone, we need more personnel in midfield. Yet at the same time we still want to keep the two up front. So could the answer be a 3-5-2? (Or at least a variation of one).
I can see that it could work: Fuchs joining a back 3, Schlupp returning as a LWB, Mahrez in something of a free role behind the front 2 with two holding midfielders behind him. The problems, however, are twofold. Firstly, this is a very attacking setup and may be easily exposed. Secondly, certain players would have little or no backup in this system while others would be rendered redundant.
As such, I figure that 3-5-2 may be part of the solution rather than all of it. The best option I can see right now (IMO) is to use the squad, and for Ranieri to tinker from game to game. Last season we had consistency in selection, but of course we also had Kante allowing us to play a 4-4.5-2 formation, the only difference from week to week being how defensively Okazaki operated as second striker. This season, I think there will be some games where we can play 2 in the middle successfully, others where we may need to change one way or the other half way through and others still where it's ostensibly a bad idea. But change and rotation may be a requirement now.
So come on Claudio, get tinkerin'.
Something needs to change. Not exactly sure, but 3-5-1-1 should be given a go
442 is a very difficult formation to pull off well consistently. That you did so last season consistently is to be
Drinkwater and Kante obviously had a very good relationship last season, and that is hard to replicate. As you say it may mean having a tinker with things.
Problem for you is you have spent nearly 50m on another two strikers, giving you 4 (5, Ulloa too?) which puts pressure on Ranieri to go with 2 up top.
You have only signed one midfielder in Mendy too, which means you are light in midfield for numbers if you want to play 3 in the middle all season.
352? Your fullbacks are solid, but defenders first and foremost. 352 asks a lot of them attacking wise. It may be you have to look at Albrighton and Chilwell. What effect will going 3 at the back have on your defensive partnership too, big tactical change that.
I think you will probably match most sides with 442 myself, it served you well last season, the players know their roles, and you have some really good firepower there. Perhaps a tinker for the more challenging games with 1 up front
352 wouldn't be a permanent solution but it should be utilized for certain games and with Simpson looking like he might be out for a while we don't have a natural right back to cover.
Good post HRH,
" I think you will probably match most sides with 442 myself, it served you well last season, the players know their roles, and you have some really good firepower there. Perhaps a tinker for the more challenging games with 1 up front "
Alas the easy games are no more, the weaker teams play 10 at the back and we were struggling to break them down last season at times,
And if there confidence goes will prove even harder,
Champions league,
Seen some calls for changes in the team,
Personally there will be but through injury not tactical,,
An away point is needed, now is not the time.
Burnley & Chelsea will be the call to arms for the squad players in the league & cup games as players will be tired or worst injured,
Neither of which will be easy games especially burnley
Who always get there tactics right against us and are hard to break down,,
By the end of September we will definitely know how we stand,
My only worries is come January
If we are 12_16 and out of champions lge
We will struggle to recuit quality players..
October looks like a worrying month,
I think they mis calculated the recruitment campaign,,
I agree with TB. We all need to relax a little.
If we're still struggling against the Middlesboroughs and Bournemouths then we can have concerns.
The reality is, we've had a mixed start and a bad result against a team that's as good as any in the division in their day. It was their day yesterday.
Now's the time for tweak, not panic. I suggest we keep our formation and team broadly the same for the champions league. Experimenting there could end up badly and kill our confidence for the tournament.
Then we can hopefully use the league to intergrate new players. Slimani the obvious one. The lack of chances is as worrying as the defence right now.
I've still not seen enough of the squad players yet. When they get their chances they need to shine. But having Chilwell on the bench and being able to switch to 3-5-2 during a game is a nice option.
I didn't think any of Raneiri's changes have had an impact this season. Despite his claims, I'm not sure we've found plan B yet. We need to keep looking.
I don't think we should panic and Liverpool were outstanding, but Hull weren't. It doesn't look like the same team and Ranieri at the moment seems to be hoping that if he plays the same players and the same formation, it will just happen for him.
The reality is that Swansea were utter garbage. Burnley won't give us nearly as much space as they did and if we play the same as we are doing then it's going to be a very tough 90 mins against them.
Ranieri has to change it, he needs a plan B and he has to get control of that midfield because it's fallen over completely
I think a lot depends on how quickly Mendy settles In for Kante . May be CR might have to play an extra midfielder against the bigger teams who have five in the middle.
Hull game was always going to be difficult 9with all the pressure on Leicester , after the season they just had . Should have won against Arsenal, comfortably beat Swansea and got turned over at Anfield with it being Liverpools first game at home against the champions . Liverpool did that to Arsenal at the Emirates, so I don't think Leicester should pannic at the back of that result.
Definitely see Leicester in the top ten if not challenging for Europe.
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posted 24 minutes ago
I think a lot depends on how quickly Mendy settles In for Kante . May be CR might have to play an extra midfielder against the bigger teams who have five in the middle.
Hull game was always going to be difficult 9with all the pressure on Leicester , after the season they just had . Should have won against Arsenal, comfortably beat Swansea and got turned over at Anfield with it being Liverpools first game at home against the champions . Liverpool did that to Arsenal at the Emirates, so I don't think Leicester should pannic at the back of that result.
Definitely see Leicester in the top ten if not challenging for Europe.
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Agree with this.
Liverpool look a really good attacking unit this season to be fair. 4 at Arsenal and we were fortunate to not concede more than 1 in our draw.
It may be you just caught them at the wrong time. Not sure who this Amartey is you had playing, but perhaps Mendy will give you a bit more. It may be Mahrez is the one who has to make way too in a 442 (as mad as that sounds) for a player who will give you better shape when defending. Save him for the CL games.
Amartey is a development player really, he has lots of potential but being asked to do a big job in central midfield that he's probably not quite ready for. Mendy looks better agreed
TB on the nail my friend. Early days yet we can't play like we did anymore without Kante so give it time.
Don't Panic.
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posted 36 minutes ago
Amartey is a development player really, he has lots of potential but being asked to do a big job in central midfield that he's probably not quite ready for. Mendy looks better agreed
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Is Mendy a more defensive player in your view?
A pair in a 442 can be effective as long as both players are pretty good on the ball, but also do their share of the non-glamorous stuff too. Drinkwater certainly does all of that.
Personally I think it will probably click in to place if Mendy settles in well.
HRH - Mendy is similar to Drinkwater. Ball playing and can put a tackle in. But I wouldn't call him defensive like Kante was.
I thought he did adapt to the role well against Arsenal though, but others thought differently. Hopefully he'll come in and make it his own.
That said, we do need ways of creating chances against teams sitting deep. Maybe Slimani in the box with Albrighton throwing crosses in is the answer!
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posted on 10/9/16
Even before I started reading your thread I knew it was going to finish by saying we should play 3-5-2
It's pretty much been your default answer to any issue since last year. You were desperate for Ranieri to play it then and thankfully he switched the full backs instead
It worked well for what we needed it to do at the time. I never saw it as a long term answer but I don't think Ranieri can keep gong with 2 upfront without Kante
posted on 10/9/16
Good synopsis of where we are true blue
How ever I dont think complacency is the problem
More still not match fit and the formation needs a tweek
posted on 10/9/16
comment by dublin fox (was london fox)(now Cambridge fox)(can not spell fox) (U1131)
posted 1 minute ago
Good synopsis of where we are true blue
How ever I dont think complacency is the problem
More still not match fit and the formation needs a tweek
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Hi Dublin, I don't think match fitness should really be an issue by now, not physically anyway?
Still, one bloke on the radio tonight said we are in for a real tough relegation fight, talk about over reaction!
posted on 10/9/16
Wait until the CL kicks in.
posted on 10/9/16
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posted on 10/9/16
I agree with your 352. Your right we will never replace Kante he was perfect for how we set up last season. But he's gone so we have to find a different why. Albrighton is a far better player on the right than the left and would suit right wing back.
posted on 10/9/16
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posted on 10/9/16
TB feel free to delete my response. Can understand if you don't want the thread littered by wolves fans
posted on 10/9/16
We can expect WUMs but trying to keep this sensible for Leicester fans.
posted on 10/9/16
posted on 11/9/16
Glad I don't listen to radio if we are already in a relegation fight,
Do we have the players to swop formations during the match without using substitutions ?
posted on 11/9/16
I too was wondering a similar thing this evening: With Kante gone, we need more personnel in midfield. Yet at the same time we still want to keep the two up front. So could the answer be a 3-5-2? (Or at least a variation of one).
I can see that it could work: Fuchs joining a back 3, Schlupp returning as a LWB, Mahrez in something of a free role behind the front 2 with two holding midfielders behind him. The problems, however, are twofold. Firstly, this is a very attacking setup and may be easily exposed. Secondly, certain players would have little or no backup in this system while others would be rendered redundant.
As such, I figure that 3-5-2 may be part of the solution rather than all of it. The best option I can see right now (IMO) is to use the squad, and for Ranieri to tinker from game to game. Last season we had consistency in selection, but of course we also had Kante allowing us to play a 4-4.5-2 formation, the only difference from week to week being how defensively Okazaki operated as second striker. This season, I think there will be some games where we can play 2 in the middle successfully, others where we may need to change one way or the other half way through and others still where it's ostensibly a bad idea. But change and rotation may be a requirement now.
So come on Claudio, get tinkerin'.
posted on 11/9/16
Something needs to change. Not exactly sure, but 3-5-1-1 should be given a go
posted on 11/9/16
442 is a very difficult formation to pull off well consistently. That you did so last season consistently is to be
Drinkwater and Kante obviously had a very good relationship last season, and that is hard to replicate. As you say it may mean having a tinker with things.
Problem for you is you have spent nearly 50m on another two strikers, giving you 4 (5, Ulloa too?) which puts pressure on Ranieri to go with 2 up top.
You have only signed one midfielder in Mendy too, which means you are light in midfield for numbers if you want to play 3 in the middle all season.
352? Your fullbacks are solid, but defenders first and foremost. 352 asks a lot of them attacking wise. It may be you have to look at Albrighton and Chilwell. What effect will going 3 at the back have on your defensive partnership too, big tactical change that.
I think you will probably match most sides with 442 myself, it served you well last season, the players know their roles, and you have some really good firepower there. Perhaps a tinker for the more challenging games with 1 up front
posted on 11/9/16
352 wouldn't be a permanent solution but it should be utilized for certain games and with Simpson looking like he might be out for a while we don't have a natural right back to cover.
posted on 11/9/16
Good post HRH,
" I think you will probably match most sides with 442 myself, it served you well last season, the players know their roles, and you have some really good firepower there. Perhaps a tinker for the more challenging games with 1 up front "
Alas the easy games are no more, the weaker teams play 10 at the back and we were struggling to break them down last season at times,
And if there confidence goes will prove even harder,
Champions league,
Seen some calls for changes in the team,
Personally there will be but through injury not tactical,,
An away point is needed, now is not the time.
Burnley & Chelsea will be the call to arms for the squad players in the league & cup games as players will be tired or worst injured,
Neither of which will be easy games especially burnley
Who always get there tactics right against us and are hard to break down,,
By the end of September we will definitely know how we stand,
My only worries is come January
If we are 12_16 and out of champions lge
We will struggle to recuit quality players..
October looks like a worrying month,
I think they mis calculated the recruitment campaign,,
posted on 11/9/16
I agree with TB. We all need to relax a little.
If we're still struggling against the Middlesboroughs and Bournemouths then we can have concerns.
The reality is, we've had a mixed start and a bad result against a team that's as good as any in the division in their day. It was their day yesterday.
Now's the time for tweak, not panic. I suggest we keep our formation and team broadly the same for the champions league. Experimenting there could end up badly and kill our confidence for the tournament.
Then we can hopefully use the league to intergrate new players. Slimani the obvious one. The lack of chances is as worrying as the defence right now.
I've still not seen enough of the squad players yet. When they get their chances they need to shine. But having Chilwell on the bench and being able to switch to 3-5-2 during a game is a nice option.
I didn't think any of Raneiri's changes have had an impact this season. Despite his claims, I'm not sure we've found plan B yet. We need to keep looking.
posted on 11/9/16
I don't think we should panic and Liverpool were outstanding, but Hull weren't. It doesn't look like the same team and Ranieri at the moment seems to be hoping that if he plays the same players and the same formation, it will just happen for him.
The reality is that Swansea were utter garbage. Burnley won't give us nearly as much space as they did and if we play the same as we are doing then it's going to be a very tough 90 mins against them.
Ranieri has to change it, he needs a plan B and he has to get control of that midfield because it's fallen over completely
posted on 11/9/16
I think a lot depends on how quickly Mendy settles In for Kante . May be CR might have to play an extra midfielder against the bigger teams who have five in the middle.
Hull game was always going to be difficult 9with all the pressure on Leicester , after the season they just had . Should have won against Arsenal, comfortably beat Swansea and got turned over at Anfield with it being Liverpools first game at home against the champions . Liverpool did that to Arsenal at the Emirates, so I don't think Leicester should pannic at the back of that result.
Definitely see Leicester in the top ten if not challenging for Europe.
posted on 11/9/16
comment by The future is now -FREE GAZA- (U9765)
posted 24 minutes ago
I think a lot depends on how quickly Mendy settles In for Kante . May be CR might have to play an extra midfielder against the bigger teams who have five in the middle.
Hull game was always going to be difficult 9with all the pressure on Leicester , after the season they just had . Should have won against Arsenal, comfortably beat Swansea and got turned over at Anfield with it being Liverpools first game at home against the champions . Liverpool did that to Arsenal at the Emirates, so I don't think Leicester should pannic at the back of that result.
Definitely see Leicester in the top ten if not challenging for Europe.
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Agree with this.
posted on 11/9/16
Liverpool look a really good attacking unit this season to be fair. 4 at Arsenal and we were fortunate to not concede more than 1 in our draw.
It may be you just caught them at the wrong time. Not sure who this Amartey is you had playing, but perhaps Mendy will give you a bit more. It may be Mahrez is the one who has to make way too in a 442 (as mad as that sounds) for a player who will give you better shape when defending. Save him for the CL games.
posted on 11/9/16
Amartey is a development player really, he has lots of potential but being asked to do a big job in central midfield that he's probably not quite ready for. Mendy looks better agreed
posted on 11/9/16
TB on the nail my friend. Early days yet we can't play like we did anymore without Kante so give it time.
Don't Panic.
posted on 11/9/16
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 36 minutes ago
Amartey is a development player really, he has lots of potential but being asked to do a big job in central midfield that he's probably not quite ready for. Mendy looks better agreed
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Is Mendy a more defensive player in your view?
A pair in a 442 can be effective as long as both players are pretty good on the ball, but also do their share of the non-glamorous stuff too. Drinkwater certainly does all of that.
Personally I think it will probably click in to place if Mendy settles in well.
posted on 11/9/16
HRH - Mendy is similar to Drinkwater. Ball playing and can put a tackle in. But I wouldn't call him defensive like Kante was.
I thought he did adapt to the role well against Arsenal though, but others thought differently. Hopefully he'll come in and make it his own.
That said, we do need ways of creating chances against teams sitting deep. Maybe Slimani in the box with Albrighton throwing crosses in is the answer!
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