comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
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Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope business people do what they do best, and do deals with the uk, as punishing brexit hurts the EU too.
We will see.
I hope business people do what they do best
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Can only work with what they have... imagine telling someone their bargaining power has receded ten-fold, but they still need to get a better deal than was in place before..
That rabbit hole analogy is wholly correct.
Does anybody know if we can re-join the united States of Europe in the future?
Only asking😊
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obama+hope&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi75ZHYve3RAhXHSBQKHcCcACwQ_AUIBygB&biw=800&bih=1280#imgrc=kaIGW7hDEaY_HM%3A
Do you think that the EU will still be in existence in five years time?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope business people do what they do best, and do deals with the uk, as punishing brexit hurts the EU too.
We will see.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you read the CBI, London School of economics, and House of lords trade brexit reports, the industries trade bodies don't share your optimism.
They'll just have to adapt to the regulatory/economic landscape that's left.
Of course it will, Britain leaving is a blow but its a franco/german idea that Britain joined years after its foundation. Why wouldn't it be in existene in 5 years time?
Yes they will.
Was in a meeting in the heart of France today, absolutely making ten year projections and investment plans over Europe.
They are witholding investment in the U.K. as they have no idea what's happening.
UK's loss is other's gain. Money has to be invested and will be. Czech Republic and Slovakia are the biggest beneficiaries.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course it will, Britain leaving is a blow but its a franco/german idea that Britain joined years after its foundation. Why wouldn't it be in existene in 5 years time?
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Each sector will have it's own requirements. But given the government's intention to forge new trading relationships outside of the EU, (ie leaving the customs union) it will take many years to rejoin the WTO as a sovereign country.
This process will be as complex as Brexit itself. The "fall back on" WTO rules is completely untrue, so I imagine this continued uncertainty will impact business too.
Leavers voted to weaken us financially and politically, they 'Hope' everything will be okay, they adopt a 'we'll see' attitude yet for all their bravado they can guarantee nothing, Fkn idiots!
Who gambles their children's future on a populist whim, who looks at Farage, Gove and Johnson and thinks 'they're men I can trust'?
At least the Americans have the option of correcting their error in 4 years time, we're fkd for at least a couple of generations with nobody to blame but ourselves...all because the ego Cameron wanted to 'unite' his little englunder party...pffft!
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 13 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope business people do what they do best, and do deals with the uk, as punishing brexit hurts the EU too.
We will see.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not saying the wheels of commerce are going to stop turning post Brexit. But try to look at the Northern Ireland situation from a different perspective.
In particular one of a foreign investor. When all the dust is settled, and NI is no longer in the EU.
As a foreign business looking to invest in Ireland, would you chose to locate in an environment which offers unrestricted access, (free trade – no barriers, tariffs, customs etc) to the largest trading bloc in the world.
With unhindered access to an additional 68 (and expanding) other countries. A virtually infinite customer base.
Or would you chose to base yourself a few miles up the road in NI. A country with a smaller population than Birmingham. One which could only offer free trade within it’s border, and at best UK markets.
With the added uncertainty/complications of being able to recruit and bring in staff/resources from elsewhere in the world, due to the UK’s toughened migration/border controls.
Whilst the smaller market may suit a few, these will be smaller ‘local’ enterprises. Large multinational corporations, and companies want the largest market achievable, with as little impediments to growth and trade as possible. These companies also happen to be the largest employers and contributors to the public purse.
So, if you were a foreign business which market would you pick. You don’t need a degree in economics, to work out the very obvious answer.
But, WWSPD, its Great Britain.. with commonwealth partners all round the world.
Surely that means something? All these countries in far flung locations that require exorbitant shipping costs to reach the same market size, but have a disposable income a fraction of the EU's..
Doesn't that mean something?
TBAB
And there you have it. Confirmation from the secretary of state today that the government won't even ask for 'special status' for NI.
A soft border is now impossible.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-38827331?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-38794587&link_location=live-reporting-story
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 hours, 38 minutes ago
Leavers voted to weaken us financially and politically, they 'Hope' everything will be okay, they adopt a 'we'll see' attitude yet for all their bravado they can guarantee nothing, Fkn idiots!
Who gambles their children's future on a populist whim, who looks at Farage, Gove and Johnson and thinks 'they're men I can trust'?
At least the Americans have the option of correcting their error in 4 years time, we're fkd for at least a couple of generations with nobody to blame but ourselves...all because the ego Cameron wanted to 'unite' his little englunder party...pffft!
===================================
You need to look further back into your looking glass...
...Ted Health is hugely culpable for this mess.
Uk vote to make itself less relevant at the same time tge rampant nationalists in Washington, Moscow and Beijing are flexing....and its Ted Heaths fault
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Uk vote to make itself less relevant at the same time tge rampant nationalists in Washington, Moscow and Beijing are flexing....and its Ted Heaths fault
======================
Delete the 14 words after 'relevant' and you're spot on.
The real test, (IMO) will be the result of the Dublin a50 test case.
However it appears there seems to be an intent by the government to leave regardless of how damaging it is to the country, or particular regions.
The "we don't need a parachute" mindset looks like it will prevail.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
TBAB
And there you have it. Confirmation from the secretary of state today that the government won't even ask for 'special status' for NI.
A soft border is now impossible.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-38827331?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-38794587&link_location=live-reporting-story
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We are part of the UK, not special cases.
We can work it out with our Irish friends across the border, using common sense.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
The real test, (IMO) will be the result of the Dublin a50 test case.
However it appears there seems to be an intent by the government to leave regardless of how damaging it is to the country, or particular regions.
The "we don't need a parachute" mindset looks like it will prevail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Parliament vote today was an almost 400 MP majority, and that in light of 47 labour MPs going against st the three line whip People and parliament back brexit, Article 50 being triggered, and an end to the u ited states of Europe farce.
The EU is breaking up, so good riddance to Brussels and some who are hostile to the UK.What was Cameron offered to keep the UK in the Eu.....jack?
Dave then tried to remove the brexit Daily Mail editor,,ffs.
What makes you think its an end to the United States of Europe? It's just goingbto go from strength to strength now the perpetual doom-mongers are willingly walking away, its their wet dream for the UK to pizz off and let them get on with it.
TBAB
With respect, time and again, you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the topic you wish to discuss.
Ireland are bound by EU legislation. As they are a EU member. They therefore cannot in any shape or form, make a bespoke deal with NI. Just like German car manufacturers (a much discussed topic) will have to implement whatever economic landscape befalls on them post brexit.
You seem to think Ireland, north and south, can just sort things out between themselves. If the EU decide (which now looks a certainty) there cannot be a common travel area between North and South, that's exactly what will happen.
Even when I have provided you with indisputable facts in regard to WTO, EU regulatory requirements which will be disastrous for the Provence, you can't seem to get around the "failing Brussels" rhetoric. Utter nonsense.
The UK, now more than ever need the EU to be successful. For more reasons than I care to share with you, as again, with respect, it would probably go completely over your head.
Stuart
You forgot
#wishfulthinking
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Stuart
You forgot
#wishfulthinking
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Delusional.
I actually felt sorry for some of the MP's today, as many had to implement a bill, they knew would be damaging to their constituents.
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posted on 31/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
posted on 31/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope business people do what they do best, and do deals with the uk, as punishing brexit hurts the EU too.
We will see.
posted on 31/1/17
I hope business people do what they do best
-------
Can only work with what they have... imagine telling someone their bargaining power has receded ten-fold, but they still need to get a better deal than was in place before..
That rabbit hole analogy is wholly correct.
posted on 31/1/17
Does anybody know if we can re-join the united States of Europe in the future?
Only asking😊
posted on 31/1/17
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=obama+hope&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=isvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi75ZHYve3RAhXHSBQKHcCcACwQ_AUIBygB&biw=800&bih=1280#imgrc=kaIGW7hDEaY_HM%3A
posted on 31/1/17
Do you think that the EU will still be in existence in five years time?
posted on 31/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope business people do what they do best, and do deals with the uk, as punishing brexit hurts the EU too.
We will see.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you read the CBI, London School of economics, and House of lords trade brexit reports, the industries trade bodies don't share your optimism.
They'll just have to adapt to the regulatory/economic landscape that's left.
posted on 31/1/17
Of course it will, Britain leaving is a blow but its a franco/german idea that Britain joined years after its foundation. Why wouldn't it be in existene in 5 years time?
posted on 31/1/17
Yes they will.
Was in a meeting in the heart of France today, absolutely making ten year projections and investment plans over Europe.
They are witholding investment in the U.K. as they have no idea what's happening.
UK's loss is other's gain. Money has to be invested and will be. Czech Republic and Slovakia are the biggest beneficiaries.
posted on 31/1/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course it will, Britain leaving is a blow but its a franco/german idea that Britain joined years after its foundation. Why wouldn't it be in existene in 5 years time?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Each sector will have it's own requirements. But given the government's intention to forge new trading relationships outside of the EU, (ie leaving the customs union) it will take many years to rejoin the WTO as a sovereign country.
This process will be as complex as Brexit itself. The "fall back on" WTO rules is completely untrue, so I imagine this continued uncertainty will impact business too.
posted on 31/1/17
Leavers voted to weaken us financially and politically, they 'Hope' everything will be okay, they adopt a 'we'll see' attitude yet for all their bravado they can guarantee nothing, Fkn idiots!
Who gambles their children's future on a populist whim, who looks at Farage, Gove and Johnson and thinks 'they're men I can trust'?
At least the Americans have the option of correcting their error in 4 years time, we're fkd for at least a couple of generations with nobody to blame but ourselves...all because the ego Cameron wanted to 'unite' his little englunder party...pffft!
posted on 1/2/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 13 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
"Apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that previously we had never been able to achieve as part of the European union, Nice men like President Trump and President Erdoğan are just impatient to abandon their normal protectionism and give us access.”
old Ken, mocking the lemmings and cutting to the nub of this pointless exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't always agree with him but he's spot on. And kudos to him for sticking to his guns.
As well as free trade with the EU27, the UK benefits considerably from free trade agreements with 68 other countries around the world. As part of our EU membership.
The notion that we can attain enhanced free trade agreements with these countries in isolation, is ludicrous. The EU is the largest trading bloc in the planet. And people honestly think we can 'outdo' them in regard to trade.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope business people do what they do best, and do deals with the uk, as punishing brexit hurts the EU too.
We will see.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m not saying the wheels of commerce are going to stop turning post Brexit. But try to look at the Northern Ireland situation from a different perspective.
In particular one of a foreign investor. When all the dust is settled, and NI is no longer in the EU.
As a foreign business looking to invest in Ireland, would you chose to locate in an environment which offers unrestricted access, (free trade – no barriers, tariffs, customs etc) to the largest trading bloc in the world.
With unhindered access to an additional 68 (and expanding) other countries. A virtually infinite customer base.
Or would you chose to base yourself a few miles up the road in NI. A country with a smaller population than Birmingham. One which could only offer free trade within it’s border, and at best UK markets.
With the added uncertainty/complications of being able to recruit and bring in staff/resources from elsewhere in the world, due to the UK’s toughened migration/border controls.
Whilst the smaller market may suit a few, these will be smaller ‘local’ enterprises. Large multinational corporations, and companies want the largest market achievable, with as little impediments to growth and trade as possible. These companies also happen to be the largest employers and contributors to the public purse.
So, if you were a foreign business which market would you pick. You don’t need a degree in economics, to work out the very obvious answer.
posted on 1/2/17
But, WWSPD, its Great Britain.. with commonwealth partners all round the world.
Surely that means something? All these countries in far flung locations that require exorbitant shipping costs to reach the same market size, but have a disposable income a fraction of the EU's..
Doesn't that mean something?
posted on 1/2/17
TBAB
And there you have it. Confirmation from the secretary of state today that the government won't even ask for 'special status' for NI.
A soft border is now impossible.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-38827331?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-38794587&link_location=live-reporting-story
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 hours, 38 minutes ago
Leavers voted to weaken us financially and politically, they 'Hope' everything will be okay, they adopt a 'we'll see' attitude yet for all their bravado they can guarantee nothing, Fkn idiots!
Who gambles their children's future on a populist whim, who looks at Farage, Gove and Johnson and thinks 'they're men I can trust'?
At least the Americans have the option of correcting their error in 4 years time, we're fkd for at least a couple of generations with nobody to blame but ourselves...all because the ego Cameron wanted to 'unite' his little englunder party...pffft!
===================================
You need to look further back into your looking glass...
...Ted Health is hugely culpable for this mess.
posted on 1/2/17
Uk vote to make itself less relevant at the same time tge rampant nationalists in Washington, Moscow and Beijing are flexing....and its Ted Heaths fault
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Uk vote to make itself less relevant at the same time tge rampant nationalists in Washington, Moscow and Beijing are flexing....and its Ted Heaths fault
======================
Delete the 14 words after 'relevant' and you're spot on.
posted on 1/2/17
Brilliant.
posted on 1/2/17
The real test, (IMO) will be the result of the Dublin a50 test case.
However it appears there seems to be an intent by the government to leave regardless of how damaging it is to the country, or particular regions.
The "we don't need a parachute" mindset looks like it will prevail.
posted on 1/2/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
TBAB
And there you have it. Confirmation from the secretary of state today that the government won't even ask for 'special status' for NI.
A soft border is now impossible.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-38827331?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-38794587&link_location=live-reporting-story
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We are part of the UK, not special cases.
We can work it out with our Irish friends across the border, using common sense.
posted on 1/2/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
The real test, (IMO) will be the result of the Dublin a50 test case.
However it appears there seems to be an intent by the government to leave regardless of how damaging it is to the country, or particular regions.
The "we don't need a parachute" mindset looks like it will prevail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Parliament vote today was an almost 400 MP majority, and that in light of 47 labour MPs going against st the three line whip People and parliament back brexit, Article 50 being triggered, and an end to the u ited states of Europe farce.
The EU is breaking up, so good riddance to Brussels and some who are hostile to the UK.What was Cameron offered to keep the UK in the Eu.....jack?
Dave then tried to remove the brexit Daily Mail editor,,ffs.
posted on 1/2/17
What makes you think its an end to the United States of Europe? It's just goingbto go from strength to strength now the perpetual doom-mongers are willingly walking away, its their wet dream for the UK to pizz off and let them get on with it.
posted on 1/2/17
TBAB
With respect, time and again, you have demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the topic you wish to discuss.
Ireland are bound by EU legislation. As they are a EU member. They therefore cannot in any shape or form, make a bespoke deal with NI. Just like German car manufacturers (a much discussed topic) will have to implement whatever economic landscape befalls on them post brexit.
You seem to think Ireland, north and south, can just sort things out between themselves. If the EU decide (which now looks a certainty) there cannot be a common travel area between North and South, that's exactly what will happen.
Even when I have provided you with indisputable facts in regard to WTO, EU regulatory requirements which will be disastrous for the Provence, you can't seem to get around the "failing Brussels" rhetoric. Utter nonsense.
The UK, now more than ever need the EU to be successful. For more reasons than I care to share with you, as again, with respect, it would probably go completely over your head.
posted on 1/2/17
Stuart
You forgot
#wishfulthinking
posted on 1/2/17
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Stuart
You forgot
#wishfulthinking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Delusional.
I actually felt sorry for some of the MP's today, as many had to implement a bill, they knew would be damaging to their constituents.
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