Not I'm not terminator. What I'm saying is that, under the current system some seemingly very bad apples have got away with 'murder'. Why relax the rules even more?
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posted 15 minutes ago
Not I'm not terminator. What I'm saying is that, under the current system some seemingly very bad apples have got away with 'murder'. Why relax the rules even more?
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The rules aren't being relaxed though. It's just going to be more difficult to make spurious claims, that's the whole point of it. There's still a process in place to discipline soldiers who carry out 'atrocities'. People will get away with things in all walks of life, I'm pretty sure the ratio in our army is much lower than any other. Atrocities committed by other armies around the world will be far higher. Not excusing anything ours have done, just saying it's extremely rare, considering the places they're operating in.
cant believe Term has said something i agree with, will mark it in my diary...............
I'd rather we just stopped spending billions getting ourselves involved in oil grabs and other foreign wars, then we wouldn't have these problems, or farcical cases (on both sides of this coin)..
I mean, there's no money to ensure people in this country can eat but we can afford to level major middle eastern cities.
Never seen a defence secretary pop up in the house of commons and say "Terribly sorry folks, we've spent the bombing Syria budget for the year and will need to stop dropping £100,00 bombs until the next financial year".
Meanwhile poor folks on welfare get de humanised because they can't afford to feed themselves, but the world looks away because we are far more interested on sticking it to Johnny foreigner by getting "our boys" exempt from the ECHR.
Rape pillage and kill to your hearts desire boys, and when you get back to yer tent pee on the flag of that meddling EU.
Ridiculous legislation, forcing people to treat other people, like they are actually people.
Rape pillage and kill to your hearts desire boys, and when you get back to yer tent pee on the flag of that meddling EU.
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Pathetic comment, and an insult to 99.999999999% of those that have served in the armed forces.
I live in a garrison town, have been friends with plenty of army lads, a few of my childhood friends have served, family members who served and family members married to army members.
I've come across every sort of soldier personality you can imagine, I have respect for them in their decision of lifestyle, plenty are in it for the right reason, plenty would be in jail if they weren't. Some of the nicest blokes I've ever met were army soldiers and sadly most of the worst I've met were too
Nowhere did I say that the soldiers WILL do that. Some will interpret it that way not to mention It's the Impression some media outlets are giving with their coverage, like we have somehow stuck it to the EU and suddenly "our boys" will have this isis nonsense sorted out because the EU can't interfere with their shooting of the sand people.
It's a bizarre decision to have made. Any legislation that saves just one innocent life is good legislation, there was even a soldier on the radio today saying he was glad because "that worry I might get prosecuted won't be going through the back of my mind whenever I need to pull the trigger"
Ridiculous. You implied it, then carried on implying it, coupled with the cliched 'I've got loads of squaddie mates' nonsense, as if it gives you free rein to make your judgements.
Unless you've served then you have no idea how these soldiers will behave in theatre. I guarantee it won't be the same way as they do in the pub. We are the most professional army in the world, and the bad eggs are the massive, massive minority. The vast majority will get weeded out, the odd one will slip through. The numbers are so low that it's a massive news story when something does happen.
You think you're some kind of moral beacon, but you haven't got a clue on this.
I haven't served, nor would i choose too, That doesn't mean im not aware of those who do serve, seeing as the army population makes up around half of the town i grew up in, and now live in a village just outside of.
I can tell you dont experience many of them, that or you have a vested interest i.e. serving yourself or family members.
I've met loads of nice squaddies as i said, My two closest childhood friends both served, one in the RAF, one still serves in the Navy. but I've met as many arrogant, rude and aggressive ones. And it isn't just when they are on the drink either, i worked for 4 years in two of the bookies in town.
So i will re-iterate, any legislation that saves just one innocent life is worthwhile. Somehow we have allowed the peoples of the middle east to be dehumanised by our media, there are countless innocents out there being forced against their will to comply, to walk in front of ISIS soldiers, to carry bags, suitcases, packages contents of which they do not even know. Those people deserve to die no more than we do, and if they ARE killed, then the person ending an innocent life should have to prove they had due reason to a legal process
And its us that started this conflict, then fueled it, and now people are saying removing these innocents human rights is a victory and might save lives of our soldiers, A Marine friend of mine died on service, he was from warminster, we had a once a month poker tournament that never happened again after. Ive had 3/4 acquaintances that didn't return from Iraq or Afghanistan whom were stationed here. The middle eastern civilians have no less of a right to life than they did and all these lives could have been saved had we not decided to go to war for oil money and to stuff the pockets of arms manufacturers and suppliers.
I personally believe all spurious court cases and claims be thrown out
At the same time, our troops have to act in accordance with laws and conventions. That is what they have been sworn to protect and uphold.
A lot of the stuff done in Iraq were war crimes and they have to be brought to justice if they do stuff like this or it makes a mockery of any attempt to do the same.
We need to lead by example and show our enemies we are not like them.
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"The trouble with people like you and Sizzle is that you clearly hate our armed forces, and actually believe all these spurious claims. I detest people like you. You would be dangerous if weren't anything but a keyboard warrior. You're clearly obsessed with human rights and believe every word of it, despite it being obvious that it has its faults, and is abused by people who commit atrocities."
And I'M a "keyboard warrior" ?!?
Who are you? You cannot possibly state that i "clearly hate our armed forces" with any certainty - you know literally NOTHING about me or my life. Go back to bed with The Sun.
You are pathetic.
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 1 minute ago
"The trouble with people like you and Sizzle is that you clearly hate our armed forces, and actually believe all these spurious claims. I detest people like you. You would be dangerous if weren't anything but a keyboard warrior. You're clearly obsessed with human rights and believe every word of it, despite it being obvious that it has its faults, and is abused by people who commit atrocities."
And I'M a "keyboard warrior" ?!?
Who are you? You cannot possibly state that i "clearly hate our armed forces" with any certainty - you know literally NOTHING about me or my life. Go back to bed with The Sun.
You are pathetic.
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Wow, what a hypocrite. I can't possibly know anything about you, yet you make several assumptions about me.
You keep going on about tabloids, yet you seem to have fallen for the spurious stories that have appeared in the....... tabloids........
You haven't actually said what I've said that makes you so angry. One word of advice though, actually read what I've said before taking getting on your moral high horse.
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Good reasoned comeback Sizzle. It's obvious you have no idea about these things, and are incapable of discussing them beyond all the cliched responses that so how little you do know.
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posted on 4/10/16
Not I'm not terminator. What I'm saying is that, under the current system some seemingly very bad apples have got away with 'murder'. Why relax the rules even more?
posted on 4/10/16
comment by U2 (U20610)
posted 15 minutes ago
Not I'm not terminator. What I'm saying is that, under the current system some seemingly very bad apples have got away with 'murder'. Why relax the rules even more?
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The rules aren't being relaxed though. It's just going to be more difficult to make spurious claims, that's the whole point of it. There's still a process in place to discipline soldiers who carry out 'atrocities'. People will get away with things in all walks of life, I'm pretty sure the ratio in our army is much lower than any other. Atrocities committed by other armies around the world will be far higher. Not excusing anything ours have done, just saying it's extremely rare, considering the places they're operating in.
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cant believe Term has said something i agree with, will mark it in my diary...............
posted on 5/10/16
I'd rather we just stopped spending billions getting ourselves involved in oil grabs and other foreign wars, then we wouldn't have these problems, or farcical cases (on both sides of this coin)..
I mean, there's no money to ensure people in this country can eat but we can afford to level major middle eastern cities.
Never seen a defence secretary pop up in the house of commons and say "Terribly sorry folks, we've spent the bombing Syria budget for the year and will need to stop dropping £100,00 bombs until the next financial year".
Meanwhile poor folks on welfare get de humanised because they can't afford to feed themselves, but the world looks away because we are far more interested on sticking it to Johnny foreigner by getting "our boys" exempt from the ECHR.
Rape pillage and kill to your hearts desire boys, and when you get back to yer tent pee on the flag of that meddling EU.
Ridiculous legislation, forcing people to treat other people, like they are actually people.
posted on 5/10/16
Rape pillage and kill to your hearts desire boys, and when you get back to yer tent pee on the flag of that meddling EU.
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Pathetic comment, and an insult to 99.999999999% of those that have served in the armed forces.
posted on 5/10/16
I live in a garrison town, have been friends with plenty of army lads, a few of my childhood friends have served, family members who served and family members married to army members.
I've come across every sort of soldier personality you can imagine, I have respect for them in their decision of lifestyle, plenty are in it for the right reason, plenty would be in jail if they weren't. Some of the nicest blokes I've ever met were army soldiers and sadly most of the worst I've met were too
Nowhere did I say that the soldiers WILL do that. Some will interpret it that way not to mention It's the Impression some media outlets are giving with their coverage, like we have somehow stuck it to the EU and suddenly "our boys" will have this isis nonsense sorted out because the EU can't interfere with their shooting of the sand people.
It's a bizarre decision to have made. Any legislation that saves just one innocent life is good legislation, there was even a soldier on the radio today saying he was glad because "that worry I might get prosecuted won't be going through the back of my mind whenever I need to pull the trigger"
posted on 6/10/16
Ridiculous. You implied it, then carried on implying it, coupled with the cliched 'I've got loads of squaddie mates' nonsense, as if it gives you free rein to make your judgements.
Unless you've served then you have no idea how these soldiers will behave in theatre. I guarantee it won't be the same way as they do in the pub. We are the most professional army in the world, and the bad eggs are the massive, massive minority. The vast majority will get weeded out, the odd one will slip through. The numbers are so low that it's a massive news story when something does happen.
You think you're some kind of moral beacon, but you haven't got a clue on this.
posted on 6/10/16
I haven't served, nor would i choose too, That doesn't mean im not aware of those who do serve, seeing as the army population makes up around half of the town i grew up in, and now live in a village just outside of.
I can tell you dont experience many of them, that or you have a vested interest i.e. serving yourself or family members.
I've met loads of nice squaddies as i said, My two closest childhood friends both served, one in the RAF, one still serves in the Navy. but I've met as many arrogant, rude and aggressive ones. And it isn't just when they are on the drink either, i worked for 4 years in two of the bookies in town.
So i will re-iterate, any legislation that saves just one innocent life is worthwhile. Somehow we have allowed the peoples of the middle east to be dehumanised by our media, there are countless innocents out there being forced against their will to comply, to walk in front of ISIS soldiers, to carry bags, suitcases, packages contents of which they do not even know. Those people deserve to die no more than we do, and if they ARE killed, then the person ending an innocent life should have to prove they had due reason to a legal process
And its us that started this conflict, then fueled it, and now people are saying removing these innocents human rights is a victory and might save lives of our soldiers, A Marine friend of mine died on service, he was from warminster, we had a once a month poker tournament that never happened again after. Ive had 3/4 acquaintances that didn't return from Iraq or Afghanistan whom were stationed here. The middle eastern civilians have no less of a right to life than they did and all these lives could have been saved had we not decided to go to war for oil money and to stuff the pockets of arms manufacturers and suppliers.
posted on 7/10/16
I personally believe all spurious court cases and claims be thrown out
At the same time, our troops have to act in accordance with laws and conventions. That is what they have been sworn to protect and uphold.
A lot of the stuff done in Iraq were war crimes and they have to be brought to justice if they do stuff like this or it makes a mockery of any attempt to do the same.
We need to lead by example and show our enemies we are not like them.
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"The trouble with people like you and Sizzle is that you clearly hate our armed forces, and actually believe all these spurious claims. I detest people like you. You would be dangerous if weren't anything but a keyboard warrior. You're clearly obsessed with human rights and believe every word of it, despite it being obvious that it has its faults, and is abused by people who commit atrocities."
And I'M a "keyboard warrior" ?!?
Who are you? You cannot possibly state that i "clearly hate our armed forces" with any certainty - you know literally NOTHING about me or my life. Go back to bed with The Sun.
You are pathetic.
posted on 28/10/16
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 1 minute ago
"The trouble with people like you and Sizzle is that you clearly hate our armed forces, and actually believe all these spurious claims. I detest people like you. You would be dangerous if weren't anything but a keyboard warrior. You're clearly obsessed with human rights and believe every word of it, despite it being obvious that it has its faults, and is abused by people who commit atrocities."
And I'M a "keyboard warrior" ?!?
Who are you? You cannot possibly state that i "clearly hate our armed forces" with any certainty - you know literally NOTHING about me or my life. Go back to bed with The Sun.
You are pathetic.
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Wow, what a hypocrite. I can't possibly know anything about you, yet you make several assumptions about me.
You keep going on about tabloids, yet you seem to have fallen for the spurious stories that have appeared in the....... tabloids........
You haven't actually said what I've said that makes you so angry. One word of advice though, actually read what I've said before taking getting on your moral high horse.
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Good reasoned comeback Sizzle. It's obvious you have no idea about these things, and are incapable of discussing them beyond all the cliched responses that so how little you do know.
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