Your squad isn't strong enough and at the moment. Jose has lost the plot. Pogba imo also a mistake - you could have bought 2 or 3 good players for what went on him. Also neither Rooney or Zlatan should start games that matter.
You need Jose to locate the plot and a couple of inspired signings in the next window.
Compare with Klopp who inherited a mess but got them playing.
Pogba has shown flashes but nowhere near producing his Juve form, but they are a well rounded team and we aren't yet. I'm delighted we bought him, 89m isn't going to ruin our club and I think once the side settles he will start producing more consistently. Playing with intelligent players like Herrera and Mata will help him more than being alonsgside Fellaini and Rooney.
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 3 minutes ago
Your squad isn't strong enough and at the moment. Jose has lost the plot. Pogba imo also a mistake - you could have bought 2 or 3 good players for what went on him. Also neither Rooney or Zlatan should start games that matter.
You need Jose to locate the plot and a couple of inspired signings in the next window.
Compare with Klopp who inherited a mess but got them playing.
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Alas I have to agree with this.
Yes, the club/team could do with a bit of stability, but I don't think Jose is happy with his RBs, and I don't think many on here are too happy with the CM options. Last season, according to many, was a season too far for Carrick, now he is supposed to be the answer to all our questions.
And Jose/the fans clearly don't rate BS, MS, or Fellaini, so with Blind appearing to be defensive rather than midfield cover, good options are thin on the ground.
Up front may just need tweaking, and the trying of a few combinations, but behind that the squad is still some quality players light.
Agree that Klopp is doing a fine job, he wss always the manager I wanted to see kost at Utd after Fergie. I am very happy with Jose though, I don't believe he has lost the plot as the players don't seem unhappy, he will get it right despite making some mistakes.
Rashford not starting central is joses biggest and continued mistake.
Klopp is a very charismatic manager, who through his sheer energy can get players to perform for him. He's an excellent manager and is showing it. It's not even a cheap dig at Liverpool to say I don't think they have by any means the best team or squad in the league. But they have been the most impressive so far. And the manager deserves a lot of credit for that
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 17 minutes ago
Your squad isn't strong enough and at the moment. Jose has lost the plot. Pogba imo also a mistake - you could have bought 2 or 3 good players for what went on him. Also neither Rooney or Zlatan should start games that matter.
You need Jose to locate the plot and a couple of inspired signings in the next window.
Compare with Klopp who inherited a mess but got them playing.
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Where to start with this utter dross?
No. 1 Jose has lost nothing.
No. 2 klopps first six months was awful, they were rubbish in the league and lost two finals, he got time it didn't happen overnight.
Klopp was new to English football and inherited a squad that's not exactly got the strengths of other teams.
Jose has the most expensive squad in history.
This may sound a little far fetched due to Jose's past but I think there is the possibility that Jose has changed his colours and has gone from short term manager to wanting to be a long term manager at UTD
I like klopp too but I do think this being his second season at lfc has helped
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford not starting central is joses biggest and continued mistake.
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thing is it was entirely predictable - and justified - that zlatan would start the season as the main striker, because of his record and recent performances. and then his first 5-6 games he missed a few, but scored a few, so justified his place in the side.
most united fans would now like to see rashford given a chance, and if zlatan starts the next 10 games i will be a bit annoyed, but it's not like the case for the swap has been obvious for 6-12 months (as it was with rooney for instance for far longer than that).
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
Klopp was new to English football and inherited a squad that's not exactly got the strengths of other teams.
Jose has the most expensive squad in history.
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Not his fault that previous managers/ club directors over paid for some serious rubbish.
It's the yard stick that other teams get judged on so why should Jose be any different.
The problem Man United have is they buy names for marketing reasons and not players they need for football reasons.
We have strengthened the areas upfront with Mane so we are more dynamic in our forward play.
In defence we got rid of Skrtel who was a disaster and got Matip on a free transfer who is commanding in the air.
You need a clear buying policy plan.
Mkhitaryan is a wonderful player but he is not a Mourinho type of player. Mourinho asks his wingers to act as full-backs. That was one of the reason why Robben left Chelsea in 2005 and Hazard had the same problems last year.
Jose expects his teams to have a shape without the ball but he doesn't ask his wide players to be blooming 'fullbacks'.
If anything Jose usually expects his wide players to operate more centrally while putting a attacking emphasis on the wingbacks to offer width.
As we've clearly seen with Mata+Valencia and Lingard+ Valencia.
So,if there is a question mark,it's Jose gets his teams to operate creatively far too centrally.
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 17 minutes ago
Klopp is a very charismatic manager, who through his sheer energy can get players to perform for him. He's an excellent manager and is showing it. It's not even a cheap dig at Liverpool to say I don't think they have by any means the best team or squad in the league. But they have been the most impressive so far. And the manager deserves a lot of credit for that
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Upfront we have better players than you have.
Ings is fourth choice and he will score more goals in your team than 40 year old striker you have now.
In the defence you have some rubbish in Valencia, Blind and Smalling.
The only fans who can say they have better players upfront are Man city but they are awful at the back.
We are playing a new system at the back it will take time to get used too.
We need younger faster full backs too all 4 are north of 30 not good enough.
Aslong as Jose gradually gets United to a point of having a offensive identity and the club starts to operate with abit more sense in the transfer market,I personally have little issue with our work last summer , then hopefully the club can finally start to move forwards.But it's certainly not going to come by overnight.A few more results like yesterday could be on the cards until the club finally clicks.
I think the advantage Klopp had when he inherited his Liverpool team was that, stylistically, Rogers and Klopp aren't massively different in the way they set their teams up.
Both liked their teams to play at a fast pace, with an emphasis on attacking movement and pressing.
I'm sure someone who has watched them under both managers will be able to point to the differences in the way the team played, but I imagine the differences are more subtle.
United on the other hand seem to have completely lost direction. The last couple of seasons under Fergie were noticeably different from previous seasons in that it was hard to really define how we would play (which wasn't the case previously). Then we had Moyes, who didn't really seem to have any answer to that question, and then we had LvG, who definitely had us playing in a certain, easily discernible way, but it was quite a departure from previous United teams.
So we've lack continuity in all the areas that matter, whereas there seems to be more similarities than difference between say, Rodgers and Klopp and Pellegrini and Pep.
I think the advantage Klopp had when he inherited his Liverpool team was that, stylistically, Rogers and Klopp aren't massively different in the way they set their teams up.
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Yep I said as much a few weeks back.
comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (Doom merchant) (U19099)
posted 42 seconds ago
I think the advantage Klopp had when he inherited his Liverpool team was that, stylistically, Rogers and Klopp aren't massively different in the way they set their teams up.
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YepI said as much a few weeks back.
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If you look back at it, Rodgers could have won the Premier League that season if he had fixed up his defence, which again is the same issue Klopp has.
Like it's been said, their styles are remarkably similar. I expect them to achieve a Champions League spot this year, but I think they will fall short compare to the others at the top.
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 31 minutes ago
The problem Man United have is they buy names for marketing reasons and not players they need for football reasons.
We have strengthened the areas upfront with Mane so we are more dynamic in our forward play.
In defence we got rid of Skrtel who was a disaster and got Matip on a free transfer who is commanding in the air.
You need a clear buying policy plan.
Mkhitaryan is a wonderful player but he is not a Mourinho type of player. Mourinho asks his wingers to act as full-backs. That was one of the reason why Robben left Chelsea in 2005 and Hazard had the same problems last year.
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Eh?
Jose asked for Mkhi. He scouted him personally after being relieved of his duties at Chelsea.
I should clarify also that that's not a dig at Klopp in any way. Actually more credit to the Liverpool board for appointing someone who could take what Rodgers had done and bring it up a level or two. If that was a conscious plan, then it was a very good one. It appears to be paying off. I said when they signed Mane and Wijnaldum (spelling??) that they were astute buys who fit the profile of a Klopp player and the way he wants his team to play.
I think everybody will struggle to keep up if Aguero starts to go on a run of form here. Given, that they have KDB and Gundogan looking immense, it will be hard for anybody to stop City. If they can find that consistency
Our transition in comparison to say City and recently Liverpool is the complete opposite.
Even if we had kept LVG for another season the likely candidate,at the time,was Giggs to take over the main managerial role.Now we dont know a great deal about Giggs's style but I'm fairly confident it would've been somewhat different to LVG philosophies.
To put it in simple terms the transition of management and playing styles has been terribly inconsistent.
I think one of the frustrations for me personally is the way Rashford is being misused, and it was a fear some supporters had before Jose arrived tbf.
The lad's a centre forward, that's the only position he should play IMO, he's still learning and growing and has played a lot of football in the last 15 months.
I don't see the point of playing him left wing, it's a complete waste. Zlatan likes to drop deep, if Jose can't/doesn't want to drop him, play him as a number 10, with Rashford.
I think we're paying for chronic short-sightedness in the transfer market too, ever since the Ronaldo money wasn't properly reinvested,we've lurched from disaster and/or unnecessary signing to another, I'm including the Pogba transfer in that to, complete vanity signing by the club.
For the record, I think we played well yesterday, could have score 3-4, so there are some positives.
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posted on 30/10/16
Your squad isn't strong enough and at the moment. Jose has lost the plot. Pogba imo also a mistake - you could have bought 2 or 3 good players for what went on him. Also neither Rooney or Zlatan should start games that matter.
You need Jose to locate the plot and a couple of inspired signings in the next window.
Compare with Klopp who inherited a mess but got them playing.
posted on 30/10/16
Pogba has shown flashes but nowhere near producing his Juve form, but they are a well rounded team and we aren't yet. I'm delighted we bought him, 89m isn't going to ruin our club and I think once the side settles he will start producing more consistently. Playing with intelligent players like Herrera and Mata will help him more than being alonsgside Fellaini and Rooney.
posted on 30/10/16
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 3 minutes ago
Your squad isn't strong enough and at the moment. Jose has lost the plot. Pogba imo also a mistake - you could have bought 2 or 3 good players for what went on him. Also neither Rooney or Zlatan should start games that matter.
You need Jose to locate the plot and a couple of inspired signings in the next window.
Compare with Klopp who inherited a mess but got them playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alas I have to agree with this.
Yes, the club/team could do with a bit of stability, but I don't think Jose is happy with his RBs, and I don't think many on here are too happy with the CM options. Last season, according to many, was a season too far for Carrick, now he is supposed to be the answer to all our questions.
And Jose/the fans clearly don't rate BS, MS, or Fellaini, so with Blind appearing to be defensive rather than midfield cover, good options are thin on the ground.
Up front may just need tweaking, and the trying of a few combinations, but behind that the squad is still some quality players light.
posted on 30/10/16
Agree that Klopp is doing a fine job, he wss always the manager I wanted to see kost at Utd after Fergie. I am very happy with Jose though, I don't believe he has lost the plot as the players don't seem unhappy, he will get it right despite making some mistakes.
posted on 30/10/16
Rashford not starting central is joses biggest and continued mistake.
posted on 30/10/16
Klopp is a very charismatic manager, who through his sheer energy can get players to perform for him. He's an excellent manager and is showing it. It's not even a cheap dig at Liverpool to say I don't think they have by any means the best team or squad in the league. But they have been the most impressive so far. And the manager deserves a lot of credit for that
posted on 30/10/16
comment by Kamikaze Blue (U7450)
posted 17 minutes ago
Your squad isn't strong enough and at the moment. Jose has lost the plot. Pogba imo also a mistake - you could have bought 2 or 3 good players for what went on him. Also neither Rooney or Zlatan should start games that matter.
You need Jose to locate the plot and a couple of inspired signings in the next window.
Compare with Klopp who inherited a mess but got them playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where to start with this utter dross?
No. 1 Jose has lost nothing.
No. 2 klopps first six months was awful, they were rubbish in the league and lost two finals, he got time it didn't happen overnight.
posted on 30/10/16
Klopp was new to English football and inherited a squad that's not exactly got the strengths of other teams.
Jose has the most expensive squad in history.
posted on 30/10/16
This may sound a little far fetched due to Jose's past but I think there is the possibility that Jose has changed his colours and has gone from short term manager to wanting to be a long term manager at UTD
I like klopp too but I do think this being his second season at lfc has helped
posted on 30/10/16
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rashford not starting central is joses biggest and continued mistake.
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thing is it was entirely predictable - and justified - that zlatan would start the season as the main striker, because of his record and recent performances. and then his first 5-6 games he missed a few, but scored a few, so justified his place in the side.
most united fans would now like to see rashford given a chance, and if zlatan starts the next 10 games i will be a bit annoyed, but it's not like the case for the swap has been obvious for 6-12 months (as it was with rooney for instance for far longer than that).
posted on 30/10/16
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
Klopp was new to English football and inherited a squad that's not exactly got the strengths of other teams.
Jose has the most expensive squad in history.
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Not his fault that previous managers/ club directors over paid for some serious rubbish.
posted on 30/10/16
It's the yard stick that other teams get judged on so why should Jose be any different.
posted on 30/10/16
The problem Man United have is they buy names for marketing reasons and not players they need for football reasons.
We have strengthened the areas upfront with Mane so we are more dynamic in our forward play.
In defence we got rid of Skrtel who was a disaster and got Matip on a free transfer who is commanding in the air.
You need a clear buying policy plan.
Mkhitaryan is a wonderful player but he is not a Mourinho type of player. Mourinho asks his wingers to act as full-backs. That was one of the reason why Robben left Chelsea in 2005 and Hazard had the same problems last year.
posted on 30/10/16
Jose expects his teams to have a shape without the ball but he doesn't ask his wide players to be blooming 'fullbacks'.
If anything Jose usually expects his wide players to operate more centrally while putting a attacking emphasis on the wingbacks to offer width.
As we've clearly seen with Mata+Valencia and Lingard+ Valencia.
So,if there is a question mark,it's Jose gets his teams to operate creatively far too centrally.
posted on 30/10/16
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 17 minutes ago
Klopp is a very charismatic manager, who through his sheer energy can get players to perform for him. He's an excellent manager and is showing it. It's not even a cheap dig at Liverpool to say I don't think they have by any means the best team or squad in the league. But they have been the most impressive so far. And the manager deserves a lot of credit for that
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Upfront we have better players than you have.
Ings is fourth choice and he will score more goals in your team than 40 year old striker you have now.
In the defence you have some rubbish in Valencia, Blind and Smalling.
The only fans who can say they have better players upfront are Man city but they are awful at the back.
posted on 30/10/16
We are playing a new system at the back it will take time to get used too.
We need younger faster full backs too all 4 are north of 30 not good enough.
posted on 30/10/16
Aslong as Jose gradually gets United to a point of having a offensive identity and the club starts to operate with abit more sense in the transfer market,I personally have little issue with our work last summer , then hopefully the club can finally start to move forwards.But it's certainly not going to come by overnight.A few more results like yesterday could be on the cards until the club finally clicks.
posted on 30/10/16
I think the advantage Klopp had when he inherited his Liverpool team was that, stylistically, Rogers and Klopp aren't massively different in the way they set their teams up.
Both liked their teams to play at a fast pace, with an emphasis on attacking movement and pressing.
I'm sure someone who has watched them under both managers will be able to point to the differences in the way the team played, but I imagine the differences are more subtle.
United on the other hand seem to have completely lost direction. The last couple of seasons under Fergie were noticeably different from previous seasons in that it was hard to really define how we would play (which wasn't the case previously). Then we had Moyes, who didn't really seem to have any answer to that question, and then we had LvG, who definitely had us playing in a certain, easily discernible way, but it was quite a departure from previous United teams.
So we've lack continuity in all the areas that matter, whereas there seems to be more similarities than difference between say, Rodgers and Klopp and Pellegrini and Pep.
posted on 30/10/16
I think the advantage Klopp had when he inherited his Liverpool team was that, stylistically, Rogers and Klopp aren't massively different in the way they set their teams up.
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Yep I said as much a few weeks back.
posted on 30/10/16
comment by Genius_AppleCart_Space_Dude_Featuring_Zorak (Doom merchant) (U19099)
posted 42 seconds ago
I think the advantage Klopp had when he inherited his Liverpool team was that, stylistically, Rogers and Klopp aren't massively different in the way they set their teams up.
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YepI said as much a few weeks back.
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If you look back at it, Rodgers could have won the Premier League that season if he had fixed up his defence, which again is the same issue Klopp has.
Like it's been said, their styles are remarkably similar. I expect them to achieve a Champions League spot this year, but I think they will fall short compare to the others at the top.
posted on 30/10/16
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 31 minutes ago
The problem Man United have is they buy names for marketing reasons and not players they need for football reasons.
We have strengthened the areas upfront with Mane so we are more dynamic in our forward play.
In defence we got rid of Skrtel who was a disaster and got Matip on a free transfer who is commanding in the air.
You need a clear buying policy plan.
Mkhitaryan is a wonderful player but he is not a Mourinho type of player. Mourinho asks his wingers to act as full-backs. That was one of the reason why Robben left Chelsea in 2005 and Hazard had the same problems last year.
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Eh?
Jose asked for Mkhi. He scouted him personally after being relieved of his duties at Chelsea.
posted on 30/10/16
I should clarify also that that's not a dig at Klopp in any way. Actually more credit to the Liverpool board for appointing someone who could take what Rodgers had done and bring it up a level or two. If that was a conscious plan, then it was a very good one. It appears to be paying off. I said when they signed Mane and Wijnaldum (spelling??) that they were astute buys who fit the profile of a Klopp player and the way he wants his team to play.
posted on 30/10/16
I think everybody will struggle to keep up if Aguero starts to go on a run of form here. Given, that they have KDB and Gundogan looking immense, it will be hard for anybody to stop City. If they can find that consistency
posted on 30/10/16
Our transition in comparison to say City and recently Liverpool is the complete opposite.
Even if we had kept LVG for another season the likely candidate,at the time,was Giggs to take over the main managerial role.Now we dont know a great deal about Giggs's style but I'm fairly confident it would've been somewhat different to LVG philosophies.
To put it in simple terms the transition of management and playing styles has been terribly inconsistent.
posted on 30/10/16
I think one of the frustrations for me personally is the way Rashford is being misused, and it was a fear some supporters had before Jose arrived tbf.
The lad's a centre forward, that's the only position he should play IMO, he's still learning and growing and has played a lot of football in the last 15 months.
I don't see the point of playing him left wing, it's a complete waste. Zlatan likes to drop deep, if Jose can't/doesn't want to drop him, play him as a number 10, with Rashford.
I think we're paying for chronic short-sightedness in the transfer market too, ever since the Ronaldo money wasn't properly reinvested,we've lurched from disaster and/or unnecessary signing to another, I'm including the Pogba transfer in that to, complete vanity signing by the club.
For the record, I think we played well yesterday, could have score 3-4, so there are some positives.
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