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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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Does it really matter whether the players wear a poppy on international duty?
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Yes because they represent the country and the country shows respect to the fallen who gave their lives for us.
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Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday are the days when the nation commemorates the war dead.
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The game is on armistice day
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And on that day we commemorate as a nation. I don't need footballers to remind me.
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And the fa wants to show respect, I'm not sure you realise how many footballers went to war.
You should go to the national football museum there is a whole floor dedicated to the subject.
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
I clearly didn't make a connection to the poppyand the swastika it was just an example, like I said "for some mad reason"
Anyway I've learnt not to get too involved in these discussions because lots of people go insane when you question anything to do with the poppy
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Would you question someone showing respect to a football tragedy?
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No, and I've no issue with the poppy, I'd say if I was a pro footballer playing in England I'd wear one as the club I played for want to show their respect.
Also I don't agree with FIFA stance here but don't agree that it's 100% not a political statment as some may see it that way
You have got it all backwards, it's not about forcing anyone to wear it it's about being allowed to wear it if you wish.
The fa wants to show respect, they wouldn't force a player to wear it.
That's the point and difference.
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comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears a ... (U1103)
posted 6 minutes ago
I get your point totally Kneerash and I don't think it should be part of football
I just think your swastika comparison was crass and ill conceived but you see that for yourself now so no worries
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Yeah it was a bad example just one that popped into my head at the time of writing, I in no way meant to makeit sound liek a comparison so apologies for that.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 23 seconds ago
Does it really matter whether the players wear a poppy on international duty?
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Yes because they represent the country and the country shows respect to the fallen who gave their lives for us.
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Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday are the days when the nation commemorates the war dead.
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The game is on armistice day
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And on that day we commemorate as a nation. I don't need footballers to remind me.
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Don't think they're being worn to remind you to commemorate those who died. They're being work as a mark of respect by The FA's of England & Scotland.
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comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are you trying to compare World War One to the troubles in Ireland?
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No, I'm using this as an example FFS, as people who want to wear it would not see it as a political statement but others would.
You're one of these people who can't have anything pushed back re the poppy without making a huge song and dance out of it it seems
To be honest I can definitely see FIFA's side of things here. They don't want politics or political statements to be a part of football. Fair enough, I can get behind that. Remembering those who died in wars can absolutely be seen as being political seeing as wars are mostly fought for political reasons. So in that respect, they do have somewhat of a case there.
Saying that....FIFA kind of undermined their own rules a couple of years ago where they allowed the poppy on black armbands. That would suggest that a team could wear a black armband in remembrance of an event and place any symbol they wanted on it as part of that remembrance.
That's a cop out. That negates their rule in the first place and opens the door for others to follow suit.
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comment by LQ (U6305)
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comment by LQ (U6305)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 23 seconds ago
Does it really matter whether the players wear a poppy on international duty?
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Yes because they represent the country and the country shows respect to the fallen who gave their lives for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday are the days when the nation commemorates the war dead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The game is on armistice day
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And on that day we commemorate as a nation. I don't need footballers to remind me.
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And the fa wants to show respect, I'm not sure you realise how many footballers went to war.
You should go to the national football museum there is a whole floor dedicated to the subject.
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I'm quite aware please don't patronise me.
So do you think any nation should commemorate any war whilst on International duty or do you think it should only apply to our nation?
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Are you saying World War One was just any War?
17 million dead 20 million wounded as I have stated many countries including Germany Wear the poppy.
This was a world war and those who died on all sides are remembered by the poppy.
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are you trying to compare World War One to the troubles in Ireland?
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No, I'm using this as an example FFS, as people who want to wear it would not see it as a political statement but others would.
You're one of these people who can't have anything pushed back re the poppy without making a huge song and dance out of it it seems
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You need to use better examples
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If someone is offended don't wear a poppy but the ones who want to show respect should be allowed to wear one.
The ones who don't want to wear one it's simple shut up and don't show respect that's your choice but to not have the choice is totally incorrect and against what those people died for and what we profess to live in.
A free society.
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comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears a 🎩 (U1103)
posted 2 minutes ago
Are you saying World War One was just any War?
17 million dead 20 million wounded as I have stated many countries including Germany Wear the poppy.
This was a world war and those who died on all sides are remembered by the poppy.
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Are you really incapable of reading and understanding?
It is NOT about WW1 anymore
It is about ALL wars involving British troops which include NI, Iraq and Afghanistan
Not everyone agrees with the politics of those wars and that makes it political!
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The game is on armistice day ffs how can you not get that.
Jesus wept do you know why the poppy exists as a symbol.
It may mean something different to those who want to discredit its use but on armistice day the English and Scottish fa want to be allowed to show respect and that's the truth of it.
Which bit of that is too difficult for you to understand?
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comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears a 🎩 (U1103)
posted 2 minutes ago
Are you saying World War One was just any War?
17 million dead 20 million wounded as I have stated many countries including Germany Wear the poppy.
This was a world war and those who died on all sides are remembered by the poppy.
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Are you really incapable of reading and understanding?
It is NOT about WW1 anymore
It is about ALL wars involving British troops which include NI, Iraq and Afghanistan
Not everyone agrees with the politics of those wars and that makes it political!
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The biggest reason for wearing the poppy is being lost amongst the political argument. That is English & Scottish (Only saying them two because of the intl coming up) servicemen died for our respective countries. That's what the poppy represents and not the political ideology or reasons for the war they fought in.
Going back to WWI many soldiers who lost their lives were footballers before enlisting. It's only right that we remember and honour them.
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 32 seconds ago
If someone is offended don't wear a poppy but the ones who want to show respect should be allowed to wear one.
The ones who don't want to wear one it's simple shut up and don't show respect that's your choice but to not have the choice is totally incorrect and against what those people died for and what we profess to live in.
A free society.
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And if someone wants to question the wearing of the Poppy and what they think it means today you should respect that too
But you haven't shown a bot of respect on this thread to anyone who even slightly disagrees with you.
The biggest reason for wearing the poppy is being lost amongst the political argument. That is English & Scottish (Only saying them two because of the intl coming up) servicemen died for our respective countries. That's what the poppy represents and not the political ideology or reasons for the war they fought in.
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Thats the problem as i see it though. Its too hard to separate the remembrance of the dead from the politics of the conflict.
I don't know if its a good or bad example, but would it be acceptable for FC Dallas, or the New Orleans Saints to wear a symbol that commemorated fallen confederate soldiers? How can remembrance such as that not have any political connotations?
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 23 seconds ago
Does it really matter whether the players wear a poppy on international duty?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes because they represent the country and the country shows respect to the fallen who gave their lives for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday are the days when the nation commemorates the war dead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The game is on armistice day
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And on that day we commemorate as a nation. I don't need footballers to remind me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the fa wants to show respect, I'm not sure you realise how many footballers went to war.
You should go to the national football museum there is a whole floor dedicated to the subject.
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comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
I clearly didn't make a connection to the poppyand the swastika it was just an example, like I said "for some mad reason"
Anyway I've learnt not to get too involved in these discussions because lots of people go insane when you question anything to do with the poppy
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Would you question someone showing respect to a football tragedy?
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No, and I've no issue with the poppy, I'd say if I was a pro footballer playing in England I'd wear one as the club I played for want to show their respect.
Also I don't agree with FIFA stance here but don't agree that it's 100% not a political statment as some may see it that way
posted on 1/11/16
You have got it all backwards, it's not about forcing anyone to wear it it's about being allowed to wear it if you wish.
The fa wants to show respect, they wouldn't force a player to wear it.
That's the point and difference.
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posted on 1/11/16
comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears a ... (U1103)
posted 6 minutes ago
I get your point totally Kneerash and I don't think it should be part of football
I just think your swastika comparison was crass and ill conceived but you see that for yourself now so no worries
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Yeah it was a bad example just one that popped into my head at the time of writing, I in no way meant to makeit sound liek a comparison so apologies for that.
posted on 1/11/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 23 seconds ago
Does it really matter whether the players wear a poppy on international duty?
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Yes because they represent the country and the country shows respect to the fallen who gave their lives for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday are the days when the nation commemorates the war dead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The game is on armistice day
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And on that day we commemorate as a nation. I don't need footballers to remind me.
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Don't think they're being worn to remind you to commemorate those who died. They're being work as a mark of respect by The FA's of England & Scotland.
posted on 1/11/16
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comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are you trying to compare World War One to the troubles in Ireland?
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No, I'm using this as an example FFS, as people who want to wear it would not see it as a political statement but others would.
You're one of these people who can't have anything pushed back re the poppy without making a huge song and dance out of it it seems
posted on 1/11/16
To be honest I can definitely see FIFA's side of things here. They don't want politics or political statements to be a part of football. Fair enough, I can get behind that. Remembering those who died in wars can absolutely be seen as being political seeing as wars are mostly fought for political reasons. So in that respect, they do have somewhat of a case there.
Saying that....FIFA kind of undermined their own rules a couple of years ago where they allowed the poppy on black armbands. That would suggest that a team could wear a black armband in remembrance of an event and place any symbol they wanted on it as part of that remembrance.
That's a cop out. That negates their rule in the first place and opens the door for others to follow suit.
posted on 1/11/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 23 seconds ago
Does it really matter whether the players wear a poppy on international duty?
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Yes because they represent the country and the country shows respect to the fallen who gave their lives for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Armistice Day and Remembrance Sunday are the days when the nation commemorates the war dead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The game is on armistice day
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And on that day we commemorate as a nation. I don't need footballers to remind me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the fa wants to show respect, I'm not sure you realise how many footballers went to war.
You should go to the national football museum there is a whole floor dedicated to the subject.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm quite aware please don't patronise me.
So do you think any nation should commemorate any war whilst on International duty or do you think it should only apply to our nation?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you saying World War One was just any War?
17 million dead 20 million wounded as I have stated many countries including Germany Wear the poppy.
This was a world war and those who died on all sides are remembered by the poppy.
posted on 1/11/16
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posted on 1/11/16
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are you trying to compare World War One to the troubles in Ireland?
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No, I'm using this as an example FFS, as people who want to wear it would not see it as a political statement but others would.
You're one of these people who can't have anything pushed back re the poppy without making a huge song and dance out of it it seems
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You need to use better examples
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posted on 1/11/16
If someone is offended don't wear a poppy but the ones who want to show respect should be allowed to wear one.
The ones who don't want to wear one it's simple shut up and don't show respect that's your choice but to not have the choice is totally incorrect and against what those people died for and what we profess to live in.
A free society.
posted on 1/11/16
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posted on 1/11/16
comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears a 🎩 (U1103)
posted 2 minutes ago
Are you saying World War One was just any War?
17 million dead 20 million wounded as I have stated many countries including Germany Wear the poppy.
This was a world war and those who died on all sides are remembered by the poppy.
++++++
Are you really incapable of reading and understanding?
It is NOT about WW1 anymore
It is about ALL wars involving British troops which include NI, Iraq and Afghanistan
Not everyone agrees with the politics of those wars and that makes it political!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The game is on armistice day ffs how can you not get that.
Jesus wept do you know why the poppy exists as a symbol.
It may mean something different to those who want to discredit its use but on armistice day the English and Scottish fa want to be allowed to show respect and that's the truth of it.
Which bit of that is too difficult for you to understand?
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posted on 1/11/16
comment by Curly - Warburton is He wears a 🎩 (U1103)
posted 2 minutes ago
Are you saying World War One was just any War?
17 million dead 20 million wounded as I have stated many countries including Germany Wear the poppy.
This was a world war and those who died on all sides are remembered by the poppy.
++++++
Are you really incapable of reading and understanding?
It is NOT about WW1 anymore
It is about ALL wars involving British troops which include NI, Iraq and Afghanistan
Not everyone agrees with the politics of those wars and that makes it political!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The biggest reason for wearing the poppy is being lost amongst the political argument. That is English & Scottish (Only saying them two because of the intl coming up) servicemen died for our respective countries. That's what the poppy represents and not the political ideology or reasons for the war they fought in.
Going back to WWI many soldiers who lost their lives were footballers before enlisting. It's only right that we remember and honour them.
posted on 1/11/16
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 32 seconds ago
If someone is offended don't wear a poppy but the ones who want to show respect should be allowed to wear one.
The ones who don't want to wear one it's simple shut up and don't show respect that's your choice but to not have the choice is totally incorrect and against what those people died for and what we profess to live in.
A free society.
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And if someone wants to question the wearing of the Poppy and what they think it means today you should respect that too
But you haven't shown a bot of respect on this thread to anyone who even slightly disagrees with you.
posted on 1/11/16
The biggest reason for wearing the poppy is being lost amongst the political argument. That is English & Scottish (Only saying them two because of the intl coming up) servicemen died for our respective countries. That's what the poppy represents and not the political ideology or reasons for the war they fought in.
----------------------------
Thats the problem as i see it though. Its too hard to separate the remembrance of the dead from the politics of the conflict.
I don't know if its a good or bad example, but would it be acceptable for FC Dallas, or the New Orleans Saints to wear a symbol that commemorated fallen confederate soldiers? How can remembrance such as that not have any political connotations?
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