The prime minister was also not elected.
We enter an agreement with an act of Parliament, a debate to which those for and against had to discuss the limits and the objectives set, now we're leaving that agreement its undemocratic that the standing government with an unelected PM get to negotiate on our behalf without an act of Parliament.
The referendum was passed with a small majority, Brexitears and the right wing press that are trying to sideline the judiciary, usurp the democratic process and side-step the sovereignty of Parliament are borderline treacherous rebels.
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 45 minutes ago
The BBC have also been associated with promotion of the climate of fear.
Im at a loss to see how a potential round of horse trading will be effective , it would cause obstacles , which I assume may well be open to judicial process.
In others words remainers trying to wriggle out of the outcome.
I believe the government is the elected body and it should handle the negotiations , parliament should soley ratify the decision of the referendum.
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I'm sorry but not everyone voted conservative did they? This is exactly the undemocratic thing to do.
Honestly nobody is trying to wiggle out of anything. MPs are just trying to decide the terms of Brexit, rather than have a unelected prime minister decide how we lave Europe. You say that we should leave it to the elected government to handle negotiations, well this isn't the elected government with the elected prime minister is it.
Its not the fault of the courts that this happened. Would you rather Theresa ignored the law? Because its that sort of behaviour which brings about dictators.
Ifarka's having a mare here.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ifarka's having a mare here.
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Probably why he hasn't responded
He does that on football related articles as well. Or filters.
No , I'm concerned that the remain MPs will use the process to derail the democratic choice.
Their job is to ratify it.
Can some please explain to me how the parliament is going to join in a process which will only be triggered once the same parliament has ratified the vote to enter into a negotiation which will be carried out over two years due to its complexity.
The responsibility of the negotiation lies with the elected government who called the referendum.
Zlat, please stop going off topic, I'm in another time zone 4 hours ahead of the uk, putting my children to bed and so on, not proping up benefits office wall
How many times do you need to be told?
"No , I'm concerned that the remain MPs will use the process to derail the democratic choice."
You do know there were MP's in the Government who voted remain. Including the sitting Prime Minister.
"The responsibility of the negotiation lies with the elected government who called the referendum"
No it doesn't, as per the laws of our country.
It's already been explained. You keep ignoring it.
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 14 minutes ago
No , I'm concerned that the remain MPs will use the process to derail the democratic choice.
Their job is to ratify it.
Can some please explain to me how the parliament is going to join in a process which will only be triggered once the same parliament has ratified the vote to enter into a negotiation which will be carried out over two years due to its complexity.
The responsibility of the negotiation lies with the elected government who called the referendum.
Zlat, please stop going off topic, I'm in another time zone 4 hours ahead of the uk, putting my children to bed and so on, not proping up benefits office wall
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Okay. I respect your opinion but I disagree. I think we've just about aired our opinion on the topic
I will leave you in peace for the rest of your evening!
I don't get this "negotiating" the terms of the Brexit thing?
We don't have anything to bargain with do we?
What exactly is she negotiating and who with? Surely whoever she is talking to can just say to whatever she is requesting "You want to go? OK, Goodbye."
Chap on the radio said ,"the UK public want a Scandinavian level of service with an American level of taxation".
Some people are never going to be happy because they don't want to take the time to actually understand why what they want just isn't possible in the timeframe/with the constraints demanded.
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don't get this "negotiating" the terms of the Brexit thing?
We don't have anything to bargain with do we?
What exactly is she negotiating and who with? Surely whoever she is talking to can just say to whatever she is requesting "You want to go? OK, Goodbye."
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Recommend this site:
http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/aboutus.shtml
Not the most attractive site, but really quite interesting and written by leavers who know what they're talking about. Which is refreshing.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 32 minutes ago
Chap on the radio said ,"the UK public want a Scandinavian level of service with an American level of taxation".
Some people are never going to be happy because they don't want to take the time to actually understand why what they want just isn't possible in the timeframe/with the constraints demanded.
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I think the difference between us and Scandinavians is that they view tax almost like a investment.
I lived in Finland (which isn't strictly Scandinavia) but the culture there is much more of a collective than it is here. A lot of the times they are willing to sacrifice a bit of disposable income so that they can have a strong welfare system.
Whats great about those countries is almost everyone is middle class living comfortably. Probably why, I'm looking to go back.
"...the culture there is much more of a collective than it is here. A lot of the times they are willing to sacrifice a bit of disposable income so that they can have a strong welfare system."
In fainess there's plenty of people who would be happy with this. Probably about 48.1% of the population in fact.
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posted on 10/11/16
The prime minister was also not elected.
posted on 10/11/16
We enter an agreement with an act of Parliament, a debate to which those for and against had to discuss the limits and the objectives set, now we're leaving that agreement its undemocratic that the standing government with an unelected PM get to negotiate on our behalf without an act of Parliament.
The referendum was passed with a small majority, Brexitears and the right wing press that are trying to sideline the judiciary, usurp the democratic process and side-step the sovereignty of Parliament are borderline treacherous rebels.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 45 minutes ago
The BBC have also been associated with promotion of the climate of fear.
Im at a loss to see how a potential round of horse trading will be effective , it would cause obstacles , which I assume may well be open to judicial process.
In others words remainers trying to wriggle out of the outcome.
I believe the government is the elected body and it should handle the negotiations , parliament should soley ratify the decision of the referendum.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry but not everyone voted conservative did they? This is exactly the undemocratic thing to do.
Honestly nobody is trying to wiggle out of anything. MPs are just trying to decide the terms of Brexit, rather than have a unelected prime minister decide how we lave Europe. You say that we should leave it to the elected government to handle negotiations, well this isn't the elected government with the elected prime minister is it.
Its not the fault of the courts that this happened. Would you rather Theresa ignored the law? Because its that sort of behaviour which brings about dictators.
posted on 10/11/16
Ifarka's having a mare here.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ifarka's having a mare here.
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Probably why he hasn't responded
posted on 10/11/16
He does that on football related articles as well. Or filters.
posted on 10/11/16
No , I'm concerned that the remain MPs will use the process to derail the democratic choice.
Their job is to ratify it.
Can some please explain to me how the parliament is going to join in a process which will only be triggered once the same parliament has ratified the vote to enter into a negotiation which will be carried out over two years due to its complexity.
The responsibility of the negotiation lies with the elected government who called the referendum.
Zlat, please stop going off topic, I'm in another time zone 4 hours ahead of the uk, putting my children to bed and so on, not proping up benefits office wall
posted on 10/11/16
How many times do you need to be told?
posted on 10/11/16
"No , I'm concerned that the remain MPs will use the process to derail the democratic choice."
You do know there were MP's in the Government who voted remain. Including the sitting Prime Minister.
"The responsibility of the negotiation lies with the elected government who called the referendum"
No it doesn't, as per the laws of our country.
posted on 10/11/16
It's already been explained. You keep ignoring it.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 14 minutes ago
No , I'm concerned that the remain MPs will use the process to derail the democratic choice.
Their job is to ratify it.
Can some please explain to me how the parliament is going to join in a process which will only be triggered once the same parliament has ratified the vote to enter into a negotiation which will be carried out over two years due to its complexity.
The responsibility of the negotiation lies with the elected government who called the referendum.
Zlat, please stop going off topic, I'm in another time zone 4 hours ahead of the uk, putting my children to bed and so on, not proping up benefits office wall
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Okay. I respect your opinion but I disagree. I think we've just about aired our opinion on the topic
I will leave you in peace for the rest of your evening!
posted on 10/11/16
I don't get this "negotiating" the terms of the Brexit thing?
We don't have anything to bargain with do we?
What exactly is she negotiating and who with? Surely whoever she is talking to can just say to whatever she is requesting "You want to go? OK, Goodbye."
posted on 10/11/16
Chap on the radio said ,"the UK public want a Scandinavian level of service with an American level of taxation".
Some people are never going to be happy because they don't want to take the time to actually understand why what they want just isn't possible in the timeframe/with the constraints demanded.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don't get this "negotiating" the terms of the Brexit thing?
We don't have anything to bargain with do we?
What exactly is she negotiating and who with? Surely whoever she is talking to can just say to whatever she is requesting "You want to go? OK, Goodbye."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Recommend this site:
http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/aboutus.shtml
Not the most attractive site, but really quite interesting and written by leavers who know what they're talking about. Which is refreshing.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 32 minutes ago
Chap on the radio said ,"the UK public want a Scandinavian level of service with an American level of taxation".
Some people are never going to be happy because they don't want to take the time to actually understand why what they want just isn't possible in the timeframe/with the constraints demanded.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the difference between us and Scandinavians is that they view tax almost like a investment.
I lived in Finland (which isn't strictly Scandinavia) but the culture there is much more of a collective than it is here. A lot of the times they are willing to sacrifice a bit of disposable income so that they can have a strong welfare system.
Whats great about those countries is almost everyone is middle class living comfortably. Probably why, I'm looking to go back.
posted on 10/11/16
"...the culture there is much more of a collective than it is here. A lot of the times they are willing to sacrifice a bit of disposable income so that they can have a strong welfare system."
In fainess there's plenty of people who would be happy with this. Probably about 48.1% of the population in fact.
posted on 10/11/16
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