I would never play walker as a CB even in a 3.
It would be Toby Dier Verts ideally IMO
poch should get some tips from conte
I agree re: 352, its a good formation that also allows you to play 2 up front. You need really good attacking wing backs which is what we have.
To some extent though it is kinda what we do from time to time, esp. last season with Dier as DM and able to drop back into the defensive line.
It doesnt suit too many CBs, none like being exposed only the very good ones are comfortable when isolated and they need to be good fast mobile tacklers and there arent too many of them about - King & Gallas stand out for me. and that perhaps why Dier struggles when drawn out from the back (even in a regular back 4). For this reason i'd have him as the central of the 3 although I am not sure he's best suited there. Certainly it frees up the chance for the better ball players of Aldi & Verts to step out with the ball.
I would not want to tame Walkers attacking so having him as a thrid CB would be a waste IMO.
There is a bit of an inherent narrowness about a 352.. in 442 or 433 the full back can over lap the wider midfielder/attacker but in a 352 there is not really natural width to create overlaps.
Happy that it's in our locker, and no problems with us toying with it when necessary.
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
I would never play walker as a CB even in a 3.
It would be Toby Dier Verts ideally IMO
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Would work just as well, the back 3 does require mobile defenders on the outside and I think Toby has played right back at times.
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
I would never play walker as a CB even in a 3.
It would be Toby Dier Verts ideally IMO
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Would work just as well, the back 3 does require mobile defenders on the outside and I think Toby has played right back at times.
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Toby & Verts are Belgium first choice FBs or certainly were.
Walker has to many mistakes in him to play him there IMO
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
poch should get some tips from conte
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343 has been played by many Italian teams and managers and it's working for Chelsea. (He says through gritted teeth)
But I try not to be a hater, I'll admit when teams are playing good football. You lot are scoring for fun at the moment. The fluidity in attacks with Lallana, Coutinho, Mane and Firmino is a joy to watch.
Can't argue with anything you've said Devonshire.
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
poch should get some tips from conte
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343 has been played by many Italian teams and managers and it's working for Chelsea. (He says through gritted teeth)
But I try not to be a hater, I'll admit when teams are playing good football. You lot are scoring for fun at the moment. The fluidity in attacks with Lallana, Coutinho, Mane and Firmino is a joy to watch.
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Also poch played it last season before conte was at Chelsea.
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
Toby & Verts are Belgium first choice FBs or certainly were. Walker has to many mistakes in him to play him there IMO
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I think Walker has improved, I also feel Toby is our best defender so should probably stay in the centre.
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
Toby & Verts are Belgium first choice FBs or certainly were. Walker has to many mistakes in him to play him there IMO
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I think Walker has improved, I also feel Toby is our best defender so should probably stay in the centre.
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Tbf he spends an awful lot of time out on the right anyway now
Also poch played it last season before conte was at Chelsea.
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I remember, Watford away was one of the games
I think we've been very sold this season but we need to find a way to improve our attacks and this could be the solution. Dembele being back will help in so many ways, he also improves Eriksens game.
Absolutely no way would I use Walker as a CB in that position. Would be a waste of his threat going forward. He's just about the perfect build for a RB in terms of his pace and power and his passing is improving too. Besides he's more useful in attack than Sissoko is
I'm happy with 4231 at the moment or 433, although that needs working on.
Walker centre back god help us. Can you imagine the amount of mistakes he would be making every game? Not a fan of Walker abs never have been but I can see his improvement in recent years and he's a right back only. Oh and this formation I would only play against the best teams like Chelsea away as it's a solid formation. Not against any other teams though.
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
Walker centre back god help us. Can you imagine the amount of mistakes he would be making every game? Not a fan of Walker abs never have been but I can see his improvement in recent years and he's a right back only. Oh and this formation I would only play against the best teams like Chelsea away as it's a solid formation. Not against any other teams though.
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I think you exaggerate how many mistakes he makes, he's been one of our better players this season. Besides, the Right Centre Back position in a back 3 is a slightly different position to playing as a centre back in back 4. Chelsea's Azpilicueta plays there and he is a right back by trade. Walker could easily play there due his pace and height, but what her people have said about his attacking threat lessened would be the main problem.
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
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Without sounding to harsh, that is a ridiculous comment, formations can be the difference between winning and losing a game. Tactical decisions is what top class managers are paid for.
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
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Without sounding to harsh, that is a ridiculous comment, formations can be the difference between winning and losing a game. Tactical decisions is what top class managers are paid for.
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You'll get used to sandy making ridiculous comments it happens often
Alright big Kabouls
Sorry to be pedantic, It is always classed as 5 at the back, does not matter if it is full back or wing back aslong as the starting positioning of the fb/wb on or off the ball is alongside the centre backs or just in front.
Technically you cannot have a 3-5-2 unless the widest midfielders are positioned on or in front of the half way line.
Good shout with Walker would be fine as a splitting centre back can play there, very underated defender. Made his debut as a sub for us at centre back played there previously for sheffield united can also famously play left back winning man of the match everytime he has played there (albeit in the championship)..
I think three up front would be too much for us as we play quite conservative. But I would like to see son-kane-lamela in the final third with the midfield pushed right up the pitch against the likes of dour burnley because it would give us a different options.
Given the way we press aswell i think we could camp in the opponents half using three up top.
Love debating tactics.
I would prefer Toby on the right, Jan left and Dier in the middle of a three.
It is a good string to have to our bow though, nice to see Poch try other things.
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
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This guy
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 10 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
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Without sounding to harsh, that is a ridiculous comment, formations can be the difference between winning and losing a game. Tactical decisions is what top class managers are paid for.
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I wondered why Mourinho and Moyes got paid so much money.
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 9 hours, 38 minutes ago
Alright big Kabouls
Sorry to be pedantic, It is always classed as 5 at the back, does not matter if it is full back or wing back aslong as the starting positioning of the fb/wb on or off the ball is alongside the centre backs or just in front.
Technically you cannot have a 3-5-2 unless the widest midfielders are positioned on or in front of the half way line.
Good shout with Walker would be fine as a splitting centre back can play there, very underated defender. Made his debut as a sub for us at centre back played there previously for sheffield united can also famously play left back winning man of the match everytime he has played there (albeit in the championship)..
I think three up front would be too much for us as we play quite conservative. But I would like to see son-kane-lamela in the final third with the midfield pushed right up the pitch against the likes of dour burnley because it would give us a different options.
Given the way we press aswell i think we could camp in the opponents half using three up top.
Love debating tactics.
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Tactics don't quite float my boat as much as actually putting the ball in the net. Football is such a simple game, made to seem like a game of chess by overpaid coaches and managers, who frankly when that round thing called the football is pinging about all over the pitch have absolutely no control on it at all.
What was the tactical decision to stop Wimmer heading the ball into his own net last weekend? Football is about what happens on the pitch, not in some coaches head.
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posted on 10/11/16
I would never play walker as a CB even in a 3.
It would be Toby Dier Verts ideally IMO
posted on 10/11/16
poch should get some tips from conte
posted on 10/11/16
Toby Wimmer Verts
posted on 10/11/16
I agree re: 352, its a good formation that also allows you to play 2 up front. You need really good attacking wing backs which is what we have.
To some extent though it is kinda what we do from time to time, esp. last season with Dier as DM and able to drop back into the defensive line.
It doesnt suit too many CBs, none like being exposed only the very good ones are comfortable when isolated and they need to be good fast mobile tacklers and there arent too many of them about - King & Gallas stand out for me. and that perhaps why Dier struggles when drawn out from the back (even in a regular back 4). For this reason i'd have him as the central of the 3 although I am not sure he's best suited there. Certainly it frees up the chance for the better ball players of Aldi & Verts to step out with the ball.
I would not want to tame Walkers attacking so having him as a thrid CB would be a waste IMO.
There is a bit of an inherent narrowness about a 352.. in 442 or 433 the full back can over lap the wider midfielder/attacker but in a 352 there is not really natural width to create overlaps.
Happy that it's in our locker, and no problems with us toying with it when necessary.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
I would never play walker as a CB even in a 3.
It would be Toby Dier Verts ideally IMO
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Would work just as well, the back 3 does require mobile defenders on the outside and I think Toby has played right back at times.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
I would never play walker as a CB even in a 3.
It would be Toby Dier Verts ideally IMO
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Would work just as well, the back 3 does require mobile defenders on the outside and I think Toby has played right back at times.
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Toby & Verts are Belgium first choice FBs or certainly were.
Walker has to many mistakes in him to play him there IMO
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
poch should get some tips from conte
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343 has been played by many Italian teams and managers and it's working for Chelsea. (He says through gritted teeth)
But I try not to be a hater, I'll admit when teams are playing good football. You lot are scoring for fun at the moment. The fluidity in attacks with Lallana, Coutinho, Mane and Firmino is a joy to watch.
posted on 10/11/16
Can't argue with anything you've said Devonshire.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The Interview' Lallana (U20650)
poch should get some tips from conte
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343 has been played by many Italian teams and managers and it's working for Chelsea. (He says through gritted teeth)
But I try not to be a hater, I'll admit when teams are playing good football. You lot are scoring for fun at the moment. The fluidity in attacks with Lallana, Coutinho, Mane and Firmino is a joy to watch.
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Also poch played it last season before conte was at Chelsea.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
Toby & Verts are Belgium first choice FBs or certainly were. Walker has to many mistakes in him to play him there IMO
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I think Walker has improved, I also feel Toby is our best defender so should probably stay in the centre.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by ツ Hєиgy (U9129)
Toby & Verts are Belgium first choice FBs or certainly were. Walker has to many mistakes in him to play him there IMO
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I think Walker has improved, I also feel Toby is our best defender so should probably stay in the centre.
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Tbf he spends an awful lot of time out on the right anyway now
posted on 10/11/16
Also poch played it last season before conte was at Chelsea.
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I remember, Watford away was one of the games
posted on 10/11/16
I think we've been very sold this season but we need to find a way to improve our attacks and this could be the solution. Dembele being back will help in so many ways, he also improves Eriksens game.
posted on 10/11/16
Absolutely no way would I use Walker as a CB in that position. Would be a waste of his threat going forward. He's just about the perfect build for a RB in terms of his pace and power and his passing is improving too. Besides he's more useful in attack than Sissoko is
I'm happy with 4231 at the moment or 433, although that needs working on.
posted on 10/11/16
Walker centre back god help us. Can you imagine the amount of mistakes he would be making every game? Not a fan of Walker abs never have been but I can see his improvement in recent years and he's a right back only. Oh and this formation I would only play against the best teams like Chelsea away as it's a solid formation. Not against any other teams though.
posted on 10/11/16
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
Walker centre back god help us. Can you imagine the amount of mistakes he would be making every game? Not a fan of Walker abs never have been but I can see his improvement in recent years and he's a right back only. Oh and this formation I would only play against the best teams like Chelsea away as it's a solid formation. Not against any other teams though.
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I think you exaggerate how many mistakes he makes, he's been one of our better players this season. Besides, the Right Centre Back position in a back 3 is a slightly different position to playing as a centre back in back 4. Chelsea's Azpilicueta plays there and he is a right back by trade. Walker could easily play there due his pace and height, but what her people have said about his attacking threat lessened would be the main problem.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
----------------------
Without sounding to harsh, that is a ridiculous comment, formations can be the difference between winning and losing a game. Tactical decisions is what top class managers are paid for.
posted on 10/11/16
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
----------------------
Without sounding to harsh, that is a ridiculous comment, formations can be the difference between winning and losing a game. Tactical decisions is what top class managers are paid for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You'll get used to sandy making ridiculous comments it happens often
posted on 10/11/16
Alright big Kabouls
Sorry to be pedantic, It is always classed as 5 at the back, does not matter if it is full back or wing back aslong as the starting positioning of the fb/wb on or off the ball is alongside the centre backs or just in front.
Technically you cannot have a 3-5-2 unless the widest midfielders are positioned on or in front of the half way line.
Good shout with Walker would be fine as a splitting centre back can play there, very underated defender. Made his debut as a sub for us at centre back played there previously for sheffield united can also famously play left back winning man of the match everytime he has played there (albeit in the championship)..
I think three up front would be too much for us as we play quite conservative. But I would like to see son-kane-lamela in the final third with the midfield pushed right up the pitch against the likes of dour burnley because it would give us a different options.
Given the way we press aswell i think we could camp in the opponents half using three up top.
Love debating tactics.
posted on 10/11/16
I would prefer Toby on the right, Jan left and Dier in the middle of a three.
posted on 10/11/16
It is a good string to have to our bow though, nice to see Poch try other things.
posted on 11/11/16
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
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This guy
posted on 11/11/16
comment by Big Kabouls and a Huge Jenas (U7876)
posted 10 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by sandy, senior citizen, but young at heart (U20567)
Can with just have a formation where the team scores goals and does not concede. Far too much is made of all these different formations. Bottom line is you have to score goals, and you have to stop goals going in the net. Such a simple game, that is being made to look difficult by all the coaches and their formations.
Sorry fellas, but I am old school 11 v 11, is what football should be all about.
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Without sounding to harsh, that is a ridiculous comment, formations can be the difference between winning and losing a game. Tactical decisions is what top class managers are paid for.
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I wondered why Mourinho and Moyes got paid so much money.
posted on 11/11/16
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 9 hours, 38 minutes ago
Alright big Kabouls
Sorry to be pedantic, It is always classed as 5 at the back, does not matter if it is full back or wing back aslong as the starting positioning of the fb/wb on or off the ball is alongside the centre backs or just in front.
Technically you cannot have a 3-5-2 unless the widest midfielders are positioned on or in front of the half way line.
Good shout with Walker would be fine as a splitting centre back can play there, very underated defender. Made his debut as a sub for us at centre back played there previously for sheffield united can also famously play left back winning man of the match everytime he has played there (albeit in the championship)..
I think three up front would be too much for us as we play quite conservative. But I would like to see son-kane-lamela in the final third with the midfield pushed right up the pitch against the likes of dour burnley because it would give us a different options.
Given the way we press aswell i think we could camp in the opponents half using three up top.
Love debating tactics.
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Tactics don't quite float my boat as much as actually putting the ball in the net. Football is such a simple game, made to seem like a game of chess by overpaid coaches and managers, who frankly when that round thing called the football is pinging about all over the pitch have absolutely no control on it at all.
What was the tactical decision to stop Wimmer heading the ball into his own net last weekend? Football is about what happens on the pitch, not in some coaches head.
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