Finish first, get Bayern/Real.

Finish second, get Barca/Atletico.

Doesn't really matter. We aren't good enough yet to win the competition. A token semifinal appearance is the best we could hope for.

We really should be concentrating on the PL.

One again, no team looks like running away with the league so that's where are focus should be.

Finishing second means two things......

1. Playing second leg away.

2. Barcelona

"We aren't good enough yet to win the competition."
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That yet makes it sound like you think we might one day be good enough under the current regime. No yet necessary, we'll never be good enough to win this competition under the current regime.

Finishing 2nd is not good. Real will top their group

comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 49 seconds ago
"We aren't good enough yet to win the competition."
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That yet makes it sound like you think we might one day be good enough under the current regime. No yet necessary, we'll never be good enough to win this competition under the current regime.
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I said yet because I have hope. It's the one thing you need as a fan. Otherwise what's the point.

2. Barcelona
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You know you'll get them

comment by MeSuitIsTailorMadeForTheLeague #VCC (U9687)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Herbie (U7136)
posted 49 seconds ago
"We aren't good enough yet to win the competition."
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That yet makes it sound like you think we might one day be good enough under the current regime. No yet necessary, we'll never be good enough to win this competition under the current regime.
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I said yet because I have hope. It's the one thing you need as a fan. Otherwise what's the point.
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You honestly think we might one day be good enough under the current regime? After 20 years? Really?

By virtue of how annoyed I am with the performance of the team tonight, we are certainly good enough to win the competition.

I know we don't press the ball as well as we used to but ffs we might as well have made PSG a cuppa and some scones. The whole team just sat back and said "Alright lads, never mind us, we'll just stand here. You lot just walk the ball up the pitch picking passes all the way, we don't mind."

That performance was WEAK. We pressed the ball for about 7 mins all game. Missed a trick tonight because PSG fell apart as soon as we played with any intensity. Had we kept the foot on the gas and brought Walcott or Ox on at 2-1, we could well have smashed them.

I'm way too mad about what I've just seen for us to not be good enough to win it.

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 9 minutes ago
You know you'll get them
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Fo' shizzle

"I'm way too mad about what I've just seen for us to not be good enough to win it."
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Or perhaps you;re mad because we were good enough to beat a poor PSG team?

There's no way we're good enough to win the competition; Francios Coquelin is pretty much a guaranteed starter.

comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 2 minutes ago
By virtue of how annoyed I am with the performance of the team tonight, we are certainly good enough to win the competition.

I know we don't press the ball as well as we used to but ffs we might as well have made PSG a cuppa and some scones. The whole team just sat back and said "Alright lads, never mind us, we'll just stand here. You lot just walk the ball up the pitch picking passes all the way, we don't mind."

That performance was WEAK. We pressed the ball for about 7 mins all game. Missed a trick tonight because PSG fell apart as soon as we played with any intensity. Had we kept the foot on the gas and brought Walcott or Ox on at 2-1, we could well have smashed them.

I'm way too mad about what I've just seen for us to not be good enough to win it.
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This makes no facking sense.

comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 2 minutes ago
By virtue of how annoyed I am with the performance of the team tonight, we are certainly good enough to win the competition.

I know we don't press the ball as well as we used to but ffs we might as well have made PSG a cuppa and some scones. The whole team just sat back and said "Alright lads, never mind us, we'll just stand here. You lot just walk the ball up the pitch picking passes all the way, we don't mind."

That performance was WEAK. We pressed the ball for about 7 mins all game. Missed a trick tonight because PSG fell apart as soon as we played with any intensity. Had we kept the foot on the gas and brought Walcott or Ox on at 2-1, we could well have smashed them.

I'm way too mad about what I've just seen for us to not be good enough to win it.
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This makes no facking sense.
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I didn't want to hurt his feelings, but yeah, this.

Wenger brings on Xhaka for Iwobi at 2-2 when it was obviously the sub he was planning to make at 2-1. It tells you everything you need to know about Wenger's flexibilty, tactical nous and use of subs. Why does he always wait so long to change things ? So frustrating and predictable.

He should have brought Xhaka on for Iwobi at kick off. Obviously he's talented and young but he should be nowhere near the first team at the moment

comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 22 minutes ago
Finishing 2nd is not good. Real will top their group
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Maybe not.

As it stands, if Real top the group they could draw:

Arsenal
Benfica
Man City
Bayern
Leverkusen
Porto

Finishing second could get them:

PSG
Napoli
Monaco
Leicester
Juve

They might prefer not to win the group.

True that. I'm a Dortmund fan in 2 weeks regardless

Real would actually be better off finishing second looking at that.

comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
True that. I'm a Dortmund fan in 2 weeks regardless
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Think they've got an excellent chance to get a result, and a draw wil do them to top the group.
Madrid will be coming down from the clásico hype. Can be hard to regain focus after a match like that, especially in the knowledge that topping the group won't make things any easier.

Dortmund meantime have an easy home game vs Wolfsburg. They should be able to rest two or three players, and topping the group for them probably means avoiding Barça, Atlético, Juve and PSG.

looking at that list as a madrid fan, i'd prefer to finish the group as runners up

Yeah will need another cushty draw if Real hope to get to the final again eh peks?

the great generals are lucky ones Daz

maybe zizou is a lucky general ?

Zizuckyoverrated has a good ring to it.