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I'm against the death penalty because I don't believe that the prison system should be about punishment but rehabilitation. Every now and again you'll get an Anders Breivik type who confounds all concept of basic decency and it's hard to argue that these extreme outliers shouldn't be executed on emotive grounds. But that % of people should be absolutely miniscule. It's very hard to define where the uncrossable line is that tips one into death penalty territory because my beliefs are in conflict with one another.
Generally speaking though I believe that the driving force behind prison should be to take offenders and to provide them with the support they need to become productive members of society. Obviously that ethos has been badly let down in reality.
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I just don't buy that I'm sorry. If someone killed someone in my family I wouldn't want them to become a regular member of society ever - I'd want them dead.
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murderers or acesory to murder should not be allowed to be porductive members of society, they should be given life, the only reason they are not is stupid human rights laws and money.
they can also be productive through forced hard labour
if they willingly take a life they shouldnt have their life ever again
i dont buy into rehabilitation, they made their fecking choice and should suffer the consequences
particularly in the case of the baby Killers, first off they are wastes of air any way
secondly they are dirty orrible bottom feeders and should be locked away for good, heavily beaten by other equally nasty cants and left to rot
comment by Guvnor-Chubby Chaser & proud of it. My maggot dont get hard unless its in a tub of lard. Heather Trott's my girl we love necrophilia-Wonder's lurking hoping for sloppy seconds & Pranks films it with one hand touches himself with the othe (U12889)
posted 16 minutes ago
Best combatant to crime is education and economy. Better education and a more pleasant upbringing can prevent criminal activity.
In regards to Pedo's and rapists, I almost feel sorry for them. They have an urge that is probably as normal to them as the urge to not do those things is to us. In most cases there intent is not actually harm or kill but merely appease there urges. Unfortunately society isn't sympathetic enough to help these people. If a person was experiencing these urges, they should be able to go to a doctor and ask for advice or help. Society doesn't allow for it. Instead, we see them as being invalids and lesser creatures.
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Pedos and rapists are the biggest cowards in society. Pedos pick on the most vulnerable in society behind it makes them feel big, and serious rapists are also cowards taking advantage of women when they are vulnerable and no one can help them.
I have no sympathy with them whatsoever.
comment by Guvnor-Chubby Chaser & proud of it. My maggot dont get hard unless its in a tub of lard. Heather Trott's my girl we love necrophilia-Wonder's lurking hoping for sloppy seconds & Pranks films it with one hand touches himself with the othe (U12889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Best combatant to crime is education and economy. Better education and a more pleasant upbringing can prevent criminal activity.
In regards to Pedo's and rapists, I almost feel sorry for them. They have an urge that is probably as normal to them as the urge to not do those things is to us. In most cases there intent is not actually harm or kill but merely appease there urges. Unfortunately society isn't sympathetic enough to help these people. If a person was experiencing these urges, they should be able to go to a doctor and ask for advice or help. Society doesn't allow for it. Instead, we see them as being invalids and lesser creatures.
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very sensible post,
however, i simply cant / wont accept it,
you can battle urges if you know its wrong
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comment by ♥©MTC™♥ (U19797)
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comment by Obers - I will bounce back like a champion (U3904)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm against the death penalty because I don't believe that the prison system should be about punishment but rehabilitation. Every now and again you'll get an Anders Breivik type who confounds all concept of basic decency and it's hard to argue that these extreme outliers shouldn't be executed on emotive grounds. But that % of people should be absolutely miniscule. It's very hard to define where the uncrossable line is that tips one into death penalty territory because my beliefs are in conflict with one another.
Generally speaking though I believe that the driving force behind prison should be to take offenders and to provide them with the support they need to become productive members of society. Obviously that ethos has been badly let down in reality.
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I just don't buy that I'm sorry. If someone killed someone in my family I wouldn't want them to become a regular member of society ever - I'd want them dead.
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murderers or acesory to murder should not be allowed to be porductive members of society, they should be given life, the only reason they are not is stupid human rights laws and money.
they can also be productive through forced hard labour
if they willingly take a life they shouldnt have their life ever again
i dont buy into rehabilitation, they made their fecking choice and should suffer the consequences
particularly in the case of the baby Killers, first off they are wastes of air any way
secondly they are dirty orrible bottom feeders and should be locked away for good, heavily beaten by other equally nasty cants and left to rot
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I'm sure there are some regimes who do this but I wouldn't want to live there.
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why ?
Are you thinking of murdering someone,
if not then you will be fine, it would be a nicer society, at least the deterrent would be there, lets face it, tackling the route cause, ie ecomonic and social aint gonna happen
There is definitely wrong with Me..............
I have just read a detailed breakdown of the crimes committed against Baby P plus the details of Social Services' failings
And i have mentally visualised my own children suffering in the same way and actually makes me feel ill.
Yes i am a pillock. But i can't help it, every time i read a 'horror story' involving children i mentally picture my kids in that situation.
I recently heard one of the recordings of the kid describing what they were doing to Jamie Bulger
"he was trying to get up and was crying for his mum". All i could picture was my oldest crying for me or his mum to help him and us not being there to save him.
As i say i am pathetic.
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posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm against the death penalty because I don't believe that the prison system should be about punishment but rehabilitation. Every now and again you'll get an Anders Breivik type who confounds all concept of basic decency and it's hard to argue that these extreme outliers shouldn't be executed on emotive grounds. But that % of people should be absolutely miniscule. It's very hard to define where the uncrossable line is that tips one into death penalty territory because my beliefs are in conflict with one another.
Generally speaking though I believe that the driving force behind prison should be to take offenders and to provide them with the support they need to become productive members of society. Obviously that ethos has been badly let down in reality.
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I just don't buy that I'm sorry. If someone killed someone in my family I wouldn't want them to become a regular member of society ever - I'd want them dead.
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murderers or acesory to murder should not be allowed to be porductive members of society, they should be given life, the only reason they are not is stupid human rights laws and money.
they can also be productive through forced hard labour
if they willingly take a life they shouldnt have their life ever again
i dont buy into rehabilitation, they made their fecking choice and should suffer the consequences
particularly in the case of the baby Killers, first off they are wastes of air any way
secondly they are dirty orrible bottom feeders and should be locked away for good, heavily beaten by other equally nasty cants and left to rot
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I'm sure there are some regimes who do this but I wouldn't want to live there.
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why ?
Are you thinking of murdering someone,
if not then you will be fine, it would be a nicer society, at least the deterrent would be there, lets face it, tackling the route cause, ie ecomonic and social aint gonna happen
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They tend to be the brutal regimes where you disappear for voicing a belief so think I would give them a miss.
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well best case scenario, we live as we do now, but reserver that treatment for the killers rapists and pedo's
Its a world id like to live in
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC
I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.
This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.
I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC
I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.
This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.
I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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This would resonate with the vast majority of parents I imagine. Having kids brought out a soft side in me I didn't know I had.
I wouldn't say it's sad mate. I get the same emotions and I know from discussing it with them, many of my friends do also. Sounds to me like your wiring is correct, be glad
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC
I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.
This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.
I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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This would resonate with the vast majority of parents I imagine. Having kids brought out a soft side in me I didn't know I had.
I wouldn't say it's sad mate. I get the same emotions and I know from discussing it with them, many of my friends do also. Sounds to me like your wiring is correct, be glad
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This is the sort of thing people were refering to when they told you "you will understand when you grow up", but no-one ever listens to people when they say that.
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posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Conte'nt (U20893)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem is that prisons in the western countries are like three star hotels for most people and especially those who come from very poor countries. I am not a fan of death penalties but people who commit crimes are meany to suffer as a consequence of their evil actions. I'd say make prisons hell on earth and I am sure that would be deterrant enough.
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I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you. You just have to look at the disaster that is the US prisons system, to see that punishment is not enough.
I can see why punishment is important for some people, but what really should be important is rehabilitation and the prevention of crime in the future. Even with US's harsh prisons and sentencing it hasn't deterred criminals committing future crimes after prison. The US have focused too much in punishment, and as a result have people going in and out of prison their whole lives. Which is only more expensive for the tax payer.
Compare that with Norway and Scandinavia, where criminals are far much less likely to recommit crimes, and often go back into work so they can pay back into the system. Their prisons work at giving prisoners skills so they can go out into society. As a result they have some of the lowest crimes rates on Earth.
The best way for the system to work is to make sure criminals who do leave are not going to reoffend. Its a lot more cheaper system in the long run. Compared again to the US, which has had to privatise its prison system to afford the huge numbers of prisoners who are often in jail for lengthy times for petty crimes.
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The Scandinavians are doing many things right, starting with the education - the Finnish model is fantastic.
But our society doesn't lend itself to the Scandinavian system of punishment for many reasons, that start from an early age.
If I remember correctly, when the Bulger case was happening something similar happened in a Scandinavian country. The took the child/children back it to society and gave them the care they needed.
This will not work in the UK. We have become a nation that looks to be offended and has an enormous problem with people thinking they are owed something.
Can you imagine Baby P's murdering mother having the mental capacity to understand basics of decency? I would almost guarantee that the standard answer to anything will be defensive and aggressive with a splash of 'it's my right' thrown in.
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I used to live in Finland, I know the standard of education is brilliant over there. Along with that they have one of the best welfare states in the world, and its probably the only place I have been to where there is little distinction between classes.
However, I think the rehabilitation method is what the UK should be aiming towards. It is true that there are some people who cannot be rehabilitated and don't want to be.
However a large section of people in jail are people with few skills, with very little prospects, who are in and out of prison because they cannot function in society. These are the people who have been helped in the Nordic countries.
Compare this to the US's ridiculous three strike rule, where people have had life sentencing for being convicted of petty crimes on three occasions. This is exactly the kind of costly inefficient model which we should be staying away from.
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What MTC suggests sound like labour camps, and if these kind of laws were to be passed through, there would be no way of knowing how that power would be abused. People are reactionary and fearful, and easily misled by a political elite. I don't want to see these kind of punishments being used on particular groups.
Politically the only thing I oppose is forms of Totalitarianism. I hate to use the slippery slope argument, but I think it works. If we were to introduce very harsh laws on criminals, we simply have no idea how these might be used politically. We just look at how the war on drugs was a smoke screen to attack the civil rights movements, and only resulted in more social and economic problems for minorities.
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I've just voted 5 but I don't think I would have a problem not putting people like Huntley or Roy Whiting on suicide watch.
After the molten sugar and sharpened toothbrushes obviously.
Frankly killing is too good for many...I'd advocate Birching or similar...and allow the victims...or family to dole it out
And when the sick feckers have recovered...do it again
Whatever you come up with needs to look more appealing than suicide by cop to a desperate man.
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comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm against the death penalty because I don't believe that the prison system should be about punishment but rehabilitation. Every now and again you'll get an Anders Breivik type who confounds all concept of basic decency and it's hard to argue that these extreme outliers shouldn't be executed on emotive grounds. But that % of people should be absolutely miniscule. It's very hard to define where the uncrossable line is that tips one into death penalty territory because my beliefs are in conflict with one another.
Generally speaking though I believe that the driving force behind prison should be to take offenders and to provide them with the support they need to become productive members of society. Obviously that ethos has been badly let down in reality.
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I just don't buy that I'm sorry. If someone killed someone in my family I wouldn't want them to become a regular member of society ever - I'd want them dead.
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murderers or acesory to murder should not be allowed to be porductive members of society, they should be given life, the only reason they are not is stupid human rights laws and money.
they can also be productive through forced hard labour
if they willingly take a life they shouldnt have their life ever again
i dont buy into rehabilitation, they made their fecking choice and should suffer the consequences
particularly in the case of the baby Killers, first off they are wastes of air any way
secondly they are dirty orrible bottom feeders and should be locked away for good, heavily beaten by other equally nasty cants and left to rot
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Guvnor-Chubby Chaser & proud of it. My maggot dont get hard unless its in a tub of lard. Heather Trott's my girl we love necrophilia-Wonder's lurking hoping for sloppy seconds & Pranks films it with one hand touches himself with the othe (U12889)
posted 16 minutes ago
Best combatant to crime is education and economy. Better education and a more pleasant upbringing can prevent criminal activity.
In regards to Pedo's and rapists, I almost feel sorry for them. They have an urge that is probably as normal to them as the urge to not do those things is to us. In most cases there intent is not actually harm or kill but merely appease there urges. Unfortunately society isn't sympathetic enough to help these people. If a person was experiencing these urges, they should be able to go to a doctor and ask for advice or help. Society doesn't allow for it. Instead, we see them as being invalids and lesser creatures.
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Pedos and rapists are the biggest cowards in society. Pedos pick on the most vulnerable in society behind it makes them feel big, and serious rapists are also cowards taking advantage of women when they are vulnerable and no one can help them.
I have no sympathy with them whatsoever.
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Guvnor-Chubby Chaser & proud of it. My maggot dont get hard unless its in a tub of lard. Heather Trott's my girl we love necrophilia-Wonder's lurking hoping for sloppy seconds & Pranks films it with one hand touches himself with the othe (U12889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Best combatant to crime is education and economy. Better education and a more pleasant upbringing can prevent criminal activity.
In regards to Pedo's and rapists, I almost feel sorry for them. They have an urge that is probably as normal to them as the urge to not do those things is to us. In most cases there intent is not actually harm or kill but merely appease there urges. Unfortunately society isn't sympathetic enough to help these people. If a person was experiencing these urges, they should be able to go to a doctor and ask for advice or help. Society doesn't allow for it. Instead, we see them as being invalids and lesser creatures.
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very sensible post,
however, i simply cant / wont accept it,
you can battle urges if you know its wrong
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Obers - I will bounce back like a champion (U3904)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm against the death penalty because I don't believe that the prison system should be about punishment but rehabilitation. Every now and again you'll get an Anders Breivik type who confounds all concept of basic decency and it's hard to argue that these extreme outliers shouldn't be executed on emotive grounds. But that % of people should be absolutely miniscule. It's very hard to define where the uncrossable line is that tips one into death penalty territory because my beliefs are in conflict with one another.
Generally speaking though I believe that the driving force behind prison should be to take offenders and to provide them with the support they need to become productive members of society. Obviously that ethos has been badly let down in reality.
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I just don't buy that I'm sorry. If someone killed someone in my family I wouldn't want them to become a regular member of society ever - I'd want them dead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
murderers or acesory to murder should not be allowed to be porductive members of society, they should be given life, the only reason they are not is stupid human rights laws and money.
they can also be productive through forced hard labour
if they willingly take a life they shouldnt have their life ever again
i dont buy into rehabilitation, they made their fecking choice and should suffer the consequences
particularly in the case of the baby Killers, first off they are wastes of air any way
secondly they are dirty orrible bottom feeders and should be locked away for good, heavily beaten by other equally nasty cants and left to rot
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I'm sure there are some regimes who do this but I wouldn't want to live there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
why ?
Are you thinking of murdering someone,
if not then you will be fine, it would be a nicer society, at least the deterrent would be there, lets face it, tackling the route cause, ie ecomonic and social aint gonna happen
posted on 1/12/16
There is definitely wrong with Me..............
I have just read a detailed breakdown of the crimes committed against Baby P plus the details of Social Services' failings
And i have mentally visualised my own children suffering in the same way and actually makes me feel ill.
Yes i am a pillock. But i can't help it, every time i read a 'horror story' involving children i mentally picture my kids in that situation.
I recently heard one of the recordings of the kid describing what they were doing to Jamie Bulger
"he was trying to get up and was crying for his mum". All i could picture was my oldest crying for me or his mum to help him and us not being there to save him.
As i say i am pathetic.
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posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by TCW (U6489)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm against the death penalty because I don't believe that the prison system should be about punishment but rehabilitation. Every now and again you'll get an Anders Breivik type who confounds all concept of basic decency and it's hard to argue that these extreme outliers shouldn't be executed on emotive grounds. But that % of people should be absolutely miniscule. It's very hard to define where the uncrossable line is that tips one into death penalty territory because my beliefs are in conflict with one another.
Generally speaking though I believe that the driving force behind prison should be to take offenders and to provide them with the support they need to become productive members of society. Obviously that ethos has been badly let down in reality.
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I just don't buy that I'm sorry. If someone killed someone in my family I wouldn't want them to become a regular member of society ever - I'd want them dead.
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murderers or acesory to murder should not be allowed to be porductive members of society, they should be given life, the only reason they are not is stupid human rights laws and money.
they can also be productive through forced hard labour
if they willingly take a life they shouldnt have their life ever again
i dont buy into rehabilitation, they made their fecking choice and should suffer the consequences
particularly in the case of the baby Killers, first off they are wastes of air any way
secondly they are dirty orrible bottom feeders and should be locked away for good, heavily beaten by other equally nasty cants and left to rot
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I'm sure there are some regimes who do this but I wouldn't want to live there.
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why ?
Are you thinking of murdering someone,
if not then you will be fine, it would be a nicer society, at least the deterrent would be there, lets face it, tackling the route cause, ie ecomonic and social aint gonna happen
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They tend to be the brutal regimes where you disappear for voicing a belief so think I would give them a miss.
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well best case scenario, we live as we do now, but reserver that treatment for the killers rapists and pedo's
Its a world id like to live in
posted on 1/12/16
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC
I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.
This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.
I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC
I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.
This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.
I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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This would resonate with the vast majority of parents I imagine. Having kids brought out a soft side in me I didn't know I had.
I wouldn't say it's sad mate. I get the same emotions and I know from discussing it with them, many of my friends do also. Sounds to me like your wiring is correct, be glad
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comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Doesn't sound pathetic to me, Flash, sounds like a human capable of empathy.
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HC
I feel like I should be able to detach myself from it, but I just can’t.
This is how sad I am. When my son was only 4 months old, I was watching that “Call the Midwife” with the missus. A fictional production FFS. A baby died of “Cot Death” in the program. I actually got up and checked on my son in his cot at that very moment.
I think kids bring so much joy and emotions you didn't know existed. But my goodness they have certainly brought me fears I did not know existed.
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This would resonate with the vast majority of parents I imagine. Having kids brought out a soft side in me I didn't know I had.
I wouldn't say it's sad mate. I get the same emotions and I know from discussing it with them, many of my friends do also. Sounds to me like your wiring is correct, be glad
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This is the sort of thing people were refering to when they told you "you will understand when you grow up", but no-one ever listens to people when they say that.
posted on 1/12/16
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Conte'nt (U20893)
posted 1 minute ago
Problem is that prisons in the western countries are like three star hotels for most people and especially those who come from very poor countries. I am not a fan of death penalties but people who commit crimes are meany to suffer as a consequence of their evil actions. I'd say make prisons hell on earth and I am sure that would be deterrant enough.
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I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you. You just have to look at the disaster that is the US prisons system, to see that punishment is not enough.
I can see why punishment is important for some people, but what really should be important is rehabilitation and the prevention of crime in the future. Even with US's harsh prisons and sentencing it hasn't deterred criminals committing future crimes after prison. The US have focused too much in punishment, and as a result have people going in and out of prison their whole lives. Which is only more expensive for the tax payer.
Compare that with Norway and Scandinavia, where criminals are far much less likely to recommit crimes, and often go back into work so they can pay back into the system. Their prisons work at giving prisoners skills so they can go out into society. As a result they have some of the lowest crimes rates on Earth.
The best way for the system to work is to make sure criminals who do leave are not going to reoffend. Its a lot more cheaper system in the long run. Compared again to the US, which has had to privatise its prison system to afford the huge numbers of prisoners who are often in jail for lengthy times for petty crimes.
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The Scandinavians are doing many things right, starting with the education - the Finnish model is fantastic.
But our society doesn't lend itself to the Scandinavian system of punishment for many reasons, that start from an early age.
If I remember correctly, when the Bulger case was happening something similar happened in a Scandinavian country. The took the child/children back it to society and gave them the care they needed.
This will not work in the UK. We have become a nation that looks to be offended and has an enormous problem with people thinking they are owed something.
Can you imagine Baby P's murdering mother having the mental capacity to understand basics of decency? I would almost guarantee that the standard answer to anything will be defensive and aggressive with a splash of 'it's my right' thrown in.
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I used to live in Finland, I know the standard of education is brilliant over there. Along with that they have one of the best welfare states in the world, and its probably the only place I have been to where there is little distinction between classes.
However, I think the rehabilitation method is what the UK should be aiming towards. It is true that there are some people who cannot be rehabilitated and don't want to be.
However a large section of people in jail are people with few skills, with very little prospects, who are in and out of prison because they cannot function in society. These are the people who have been helped in the Nordic countries.
Compare this to the US's ridiculous three strike rule, where people have had life sentencing for being convicted of petty crimes on three occasions. This is exactly the kind of costly inefficient model which we should be staying away from.
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What MTC suggests sound like labour camps, and if these kind of laws were to be passed through, there would be no way of knowing how that power would be abused. People are reactionary and fearful, and easily misled by a political elite. I don't want to see these kind of punishments being used on particular groups.
Politically the only thing I oppose is forms of Totalitarianism. I hate to use the slippery slope argument, but I think it works. If we were to introduce very harsh laws on criminals, we simply have no idea how these might be used politically. We just look at how the war on drugs was a smoke screen to attack the civil rights movements, and only resulted in more social and economic problems for minorities.
posted on 1/12/16
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posted on 1/12/16
I've just voted 5 but I don't think I would have a problem not putting people like Huntley or Roy Whiting on suicide watch.
After the molten sugar and sharpened toothbrushes obviously.
posted on 1/12/16
Frankly killing is too good for many...I'd advocate Birching or similar...and allow the victims...or family to dole it out
And when the sick feckers have recovered...do it again
posted on 1/12/16
Whatever you come up with needs to look more appealing than suicide by cop to a desperate man.
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