comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
posted 22 minutes ago
U21293)
posted 1 minute ago
Verts broove, I can give conte credit for certain wins but not today. Today his management nearly cost us
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His management has got the club to where they are now from the mess they were last season. He deserves a lot of credit for turning the players around, improving morale and finding a system that works for you
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lol, if you say so...

Quite shocking a 'Chelsea fan', and I use that in it's loosest sense, is unwilling to give credit to the man who has got them to the top of the league

He deserves some credit, but so does Diego Costa and Eden Hazard for deciding to show up this season. That is the big difference, the players trying again. Mourinho won the league in 2015, this is the players returning to that level.

It's the players wanting to play for the manager...Jose lost their respect and their loyalty last year.

Unless of course you're saying winning the league in 2015 was all down to the players and Jose did nothing but just took the credit?

No, what I'm saying is that 1st, where we are now, is the natural level of these players. They reached that level as a result of coaching by Mourinho in the first place, with Mourinho also putting this squad together in the first place as well. If they are first now it is because they are trying again, not because of any miracles by Conte who is actually not that good tactically. He was tactically outthought by Wenger and Klopp and got his tactics all wrong today.

He's also got you top of the league, you were close to the bottom with Jose this time last year

And do you think close to the bottom of the league is the best level the players were capable of last season.

Under the manager they had, apparently so

Nah bro, that's bs. the players could have tried harder and we would have probably won the league last year with how bad the other good teams were. But the players didn't try and now they're trying again and you can see we're first in a harder league with more competition.

Those players didn't want to play for Jose. His poor management caused that.

You keep slagging off Pep for the poor Man City performances but exonerate Jose from any poor performance. You can't have it both ways, the manager takes the credit and the blame irrespective of who they are.

Not sure why you think the league is harder this year. Man City and Man U are still struggling, Arsenal aren't ripping up trees any more than last year, Spurs and Leicester are also struggling. In many ways, the league is even weaker this season so far

Wahl, I think it's you who ought to be proclaimed winner of the Caring Cup this season.

Vert's broove

Because Guardiola is clearly to blame. His tactics are bad, he plays players out of position, he picks the wrong players etc. If he's losing its because he's making bad decisions. Mourinho picked the same players last season that are doing so good this year and he didn't get the same results because the players gave up on him.

The league is way way stronger this year. Man City are stronger, Liverpool are stronger, Arsenal are way more consistent with Alexis killing it, Man Utd are stronger... The only weaker team is Lester and Totts are around the same level.

It's bronly

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Because you really Care

Thanks a lot man, I do care

Jose was rightly accused if all those things last year as well, in addition to ruining the morale and causing widespread discontent. You can't have it both ways.

City and Utd aren't stronger, Spurs are far worse, Arsenal are not that much improved. Only Liverpool have improved and they're stuttering in recent weeks. It might have looked stronger on paper at the start of the season but it hasn't turned out that way.

Can you give me some examples of Mourinho doing those things? Nah, didn't think so.

Ruining morale and discontent? The only bad thing he did was shout at the doctor and he was vindicated for doing that in the end.

Don't lie too. Man Utd and Man City are clearly stronger on the pitch than they were last year. Totts are the same, it's just everyone else is at their usual level whereas last year everyone was underperforming allowing totts to be higher than usual. Arsenal are way better, have you seen their league record so far?

FFS you accuse me of lying and then say he was vindicated over Eva Carneiro.

It cost the club a fortune and he lost his job. Check what the club said as the reason for sacking him

Man U might have bought big names but aren't even top 4, City have been dire for weeks. Spurs have been awful this season as any Spurs fan would tell you. Leicester are bottom half...stronger my arris

We will have to agree to differ sunshine, though I would be more worried if I agreed with you

He was vindicated since she was paid like 5 million for being shouted at showing she only cared about money.

OK fine, we can agree to differ, but most people would say the league is stronger this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/17/jose-mourinho-chelsea-michael-emenalo-palpable-tensions

That good enough?

Interesting read, disputes your usual one about it being all down to the players. Only Jose and yourself seem to believe that description of events

She left her facking job because that arrogant caant undermined her authority. She was paid a rate of compensation to cover that and the damage it did to her reputation.

Seriously kid, you need to get your tongue out of Jose's arris, the lack of oxygen is affecting your brain

5 million a rate of compensation?!?!?!?!?! What furrrking planet is that a rate of compensation?

The rate large companies have to pay to highly paid staff

That article proves my point, from a footballing point of view Mourinho didn't do anything wrong. He picked the right players and used the right tactics, what was missing was the performance of the players. If there is a problem between the players and the manager, why is that all on the manager and not on the players?

ffs trying to blame her now for being shouted at for doing her job properly and being compensated for the fallout