comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look Gin, I like you enthusiasm and all that. But after a while the team, the management, gets stale. You have to shake things up. Even if it initially means a step backwards as long as fans see some progress. Arsenal have stopped. Thats why there is so much frustration in the fanbase. Top 4 is not enough anymore.
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As Gin stated, that’s a completely different argument though.
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Its one in the same. Supporters are not happy with mediocrity any more.
If you are trying to work out why the supporters reacted poorly to Giroud's celebration you have look at the over all picture.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look Gin, I like you enthusiasm and all that. But after a while the team, the management, gets stale. You have to shake things up. Even if it initially means a step backwards as long as fans see some progress. Arsenal have stopped. Thats why there is so much frustration in the fanbase. Top 4 is not enough anymore.
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Mate I totally agree with what you are saying and if push comes to shove I'd ideally like to see Wenger gone. However, the point was about whether Giroud should have celebrated like he did the other day against Bournemouth. Im arguing that he was entitled and that us fans should have also been happy. Maybe not happy about the long term state of the club but happy for that nano second when we equalised.
Do you not agree?
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look Gin, I like you enthusiasm and all that. But after a while the team, the management, gets stale. You have to shake things up. Even if it initially means a step backwards as long as fans see some progress. Arsenal have stopped. Thats why there is so much frustration in the fanbase. Top 4 is not enough anymore.
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Mate I totally agree with what you are saying and if push comes to shove I'd ideally like to see Wenger gone. However, the point was about whether Giroud should have celebrated like he did the other day against Bournemouth. Im arguing that he was entitled and that us fans should have also been happy. Maybe not happy about the long term state of the club but happy for that nano second when we equalised.
Do you not agree?
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I don't see them as two separate issues Gin. The manager sets attitude of the team team. Which is why I suggested I blamed him more for how the players react to situations. Giroud's celebration is an example of the malaise the club is in. This is the reason why there was an adverse reaction in the fanbase. The fact Giroud was celebrating a draw as a success when fans didn't see it that way shows the disconnect between the club the manager and the players he is in charge off.
* disconnect between fans of the club and manager/players.
Jenius99
Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
His reaction at the final whistle was in stark contrast to his goal celebration.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
I get the point about not celebrating. But I can guarantee most other players at any club would do the same. It's been used as a stick to beat Arsenal with to back up the loser mentality argument.
In hindsight he probably should have got the ball and ran up the pitch. But I bet most players would celebrate. You wouldn't be thinking clearly at the time. You've just put in all that effort to get back in the game, so it's highly likely you'd celebrate that.
The mistake wasn't the celebration, the mistake was the team going fecking 3-0 down in the first place! That's the loser mentality, and what should be focussed on. Giroud had little to do with letting in three goals, his celebration is a side note on what was a crappy performance
What would Stuart Pearce do?
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Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
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I think it was relief of that situation of not losing. I doubt he would have done that had he scored the second goal and not the equaliser. In my opinion the reason why the response to him was magnified was because of his behaviour in contrast to Oxo and Alexis. Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
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I don't think it has. Think back to the interview Theo gave after we beat Chelsea. It was universally commended because he downplayed the win as not important if the outcome of the season is not a challenge for the title. I think all fans were happy when we equalised. However I believe people reacted to Giroud because of his reaction. Had Giroud done what Alexis and Oxo did I believe he would have been commended like Theo was earlier in the season.
Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud. The fans would have been critical of the team as a whole and probably praised Giroud's contribution.
why is this filth on the Spurs board?
To be honest 99.9% of Arsenal fans couldn't stand Giroud a few months ago and have banging on about getting a proper striker for ages. He goes on a decent run of crucial goals and suddenly he's Fat Ronaldinho Giroud is a good premier league centre forward but that's how far it goes. He's on the level of a Christian Benteke. Good forward but nothing really special. He's a flat track bully that barely scores against the big sides.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 19 minutes ago
What would Stuart Pearce do?
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Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
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I think it was relief of that situation of not losing. I doubt he would have done that had he scored the second goal and not the equaliser. In my opinion the reason why the response to him was magnified was because of his behaviour in contrast to Oxo and Alexis. Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
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I don't think it has. Think back to the interview Theo gave after we beat Chelsea. It was universally commended because he downplayed the win as not important if the outcome of the season is not a challenge for the title. I think all fans were happy when we equalised. However I believe people reacted to Giroud because of his reaction. Had Giroud done what Alexis and Oxo did I believe he would have been commended like Theo was earlier in the season.
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I imagine had it been Alexis who scored, (and he chose to celebrate similarly) the fan reaction would not have been the same.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 19 minutes ago
What would Stuart Pearce do?
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Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
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I think it was relief of that situation of not losing. I doubt he would have done that had he scored the second goal and not the equaliser. In my opinion the reason why the response to him was magnified was because of his behaviour in contrast to Oxo and Alexis. Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
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I don't think it has. Think back to the interview Theo gave after we beat Chelsea. It was universally commended because he downplayed the win as not important if the outcome of the season is not a challenge for the title. I think all fans were happy when we equalised. However I believe people reacted to Giroud because of his reaction. Had Giroud done what Alexis and Oxo did I believe he would have been commended like Theo was earlier in the season.
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I imagine had it been Alexis who scored, (and he chose to celebrate similarly) the fan reaction would not have been the same.
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indeed. he would have been the loser instead of giroud.
hes better than that though
He's a flat track bully that barely scores against the big sides.
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5 in 9 v Liverpool
4 in 7 v PSG
4 in 9 v Man City
3 in 5 v Bayern
1 in 2 v Dortmund
17 in 32 appearances against this group.
All look pretty big sides to me, tbh. A 1 in 2 against that lot is good.
Also the BS about us thinking he is the white Ronaldo He is our back up striker and we are talking about him in those terms.
When you look around at the back up strikers elsewhere I think we have a pretty good one. The likes of Iheanacho and Rashford are very much still potential, the likes of Batshuiya and Janssen look expensive flops.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 11 minutes ago
To be honest 99.9% of Arsenal fans couldn't stand Giroud a few months ago and have banging on about getting a proper striker for ages. He goes on a decent run of crucial goals and suddenly he's Fat RonaldinhoGiroud is a good premier league centre forward but that's how far it goes. He's on the level of a Christian Benteke. Good forward but nothing really special. He's a flat track bully that barely scores against the big sides.
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Thats not correct.
Giroud is not a good PL CF, average maybe. What he does is have good spells of up to 2 months and is rubbish for the rest of the season. At the moment we ar ein one of the 2 month spells so the fans who base their view on current form are in love with him. Wont be long until we have another spell like last year when he didnt score in February, March or April. Thats why youre first bit about 99.9% of Arsenal fans a few months ago is right, they are just too blinkered to look at the long term.
This don guy has completely missed the point
Also the BS about us thinking he is the white Ronaldo He is our back up striker and we are talking about him in those terms."
But theoretically he's not your back up striker as he's really your only proper striker and recently he's back in the team again. I don't class Sanchez as a proper striker so if we are talking about who Arsenals strikers are then Giroud comes to the top of the list as he's hike only natural centre forward. So as your only real striker I would certainly say he's a lot weaker than any of the top 6 strikers by a distance ( Costa, Kane, Zlatan, Sturridge and Aguero)
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
This don guy has completely missed the point
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that's what he does.
Donald
I have not missed any point at all. I am basing it on what I have read on other Arsenal forums where now you have a few piping up about Giroud. Nothing to do particularly with this Article, I'm talking in general
Don_tottenham
“I don't class Sanchez as a proper striker”
Hardly relevant as AW does. And has (successfully) utilised him as a striker this season.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 30 seconds ago
I have not missed any point at all. I am basing it on what I have read on other Arsenal forums where now you have a few piping up about Giroud. Nothing to do particularly with this Article, I'm talking in general
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"I have not missed any point at all."
"Nothing to do particularly with this Article"
Someone who has started 3 out of 20 PL games is our first choice?
Just because the person who is our first choice striker doesn't fit your personal definition of a "proper striker"?
It's fun to wum GT and call Giroud shiiiiiit but he is a good striker.
Sanchez is not a proper striker though and never has been. I guess we can shove Dele Ali upfront and just class him as our striker. My point is your only real centre forward is Giroud so when comparing strikers of other teams, it's only fair to compare your striker to other teams. Giroud being a good striker but nothing special.
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posted on 13/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
Look Gin, I like you enthusiasm and all that. But after a while the team, the management, gets stale. You have to shake things up. Even if it initially means a step backwards as long as fans see some progress. Arsenal have stopped. Thats why there is so much frustration in the fanbase. Top 4 is not enough anymore.
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As Gin stated, that’s a completely different argument though.
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Its one in the same. Supporters are not happy with mediocrity any more.
If you are trying to work out why the supporters reacted poorly to Giroud's celebration you have look at the over all picture.
posted on 13/1/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look Gin, I like you enthusiasm and all that. But after a while the team, the management, gets stale. You have to shake things up. Even if it initially means a step backwards as long as fans see some progress. Arsenal have stopped. Thats why there is so much frustration in the fanbase. Top 4 is not enough anymore.
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Mate I totally agree with what you are saying and if push comes to shove I'd ideally like to see Wenger gone. However, the point was about whether Giroud should have celebrated like he did the other day against Bournemouth. Im arguing that he was entitled and that us fans should have also been happy. Maybe not happy about the long term state of the club but happy for that nano second when we equalised.
Do you not agree?
posted on 13/1/17
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look Gin, I like you enthusiasm and all that. But after a while the team, the management, gets stale. You have to shake things up. Even if it initially means a step backwards as long as fans see some progress. Arsenal have stopped. Thats why there is so much frustration in the fanbase. Top 4 is not enough anymore.
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Mate I totally agree with what you are saying and if push comes to shove I'd ideally like to see Wenger gone. However, the point was about whether Giroud should have celebrated like he did the other day against Bournemouth. Im arguing that he was entitled and that us fans should have also been happy. Maybe not happy about the long term state of the club but happy for that nano second when we equalised.
Do you not agree?
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I don't see them as two separate issues Gin. The manager sets attitude of the team team. Which is why I suggested I blamed him more for how the players react to situations. Giroud's celebration is an example of the malaise the club is in. This is the reason why there was an adverse reaction in the fanbase. The fact Giroud was celebrating a draw as a success when fans didn't see it that way shows the disconnect between the club the manager and the players he is in charge off.
posted on 13/1/17
* disconnect between fans of the club and manager/players.
posted on 13/1/17
Jenius99
Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
His reaction at the final whistle was in stark contrast to his goal celebration.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
posted on 13/1/17
gt fancies him
posted on 13/1/17
I get the point about not celebrating. But I can guarantee most other players at any club would do the same. It's been used as a stick to beat Arsenal with to back up the loser mentality argument.
In hindsight he probably should have got the ball and ran up the pitch. But I bet most players would celebrate. You wouldn't be thinking clearly at the time. You've just put in all that effort to get back in the game, so it's highly likely you'd celebrate that.
The mistake wasn't the celebration, the mistake was the team going fecking 3-0 down in the first place! That's the loser mentality, and what should be focussed on. Giroud had little to do with letting in three goals, his celebration is a side note on what was a crappy performance
posted on 13/1/17
What would Stuart Pearce do?
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Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
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I think it was relief of that situation of not losing. I doubt he would have done that had he scored the second goal and not the equaliser. In my opinion the reason why the response to him was magnified was because of his behaviour in contrast to Oxo and Alexis. Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
--------------------------
I don't think it has. Think back to the interview Theo gave after we beat Chelsea. It was universally commended because he downplayed the win as not important if the outcome of the season is not a challenge for the title. I think all fans were happy when we equalised. However I believe people reacted to Giroud because of his reaction. Had Giroud done what Alexis and Oxo did I believe he would have been commended like Theo was earlier in the season.
posted on 13/1/17
Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud. The fans would have been critical of the team as a whole and probably praised Giroud's contribution.
posted on 13/1/17
why is this filth on the Spurs board?
posted on 13/1/17
To be honest 99.9% of Arsenal fans couldn't stand Giroud a few months ago and have banging on about getting a proper striker for ages. He goes on a decent run of crucial goals and suddenly he's Fat Ronaldinho Giroud is a good premier league centre forward but that's how far it goes. He's on the level of a Christian Benteke. Good forward but nothing really special. He's a flat track bully that barely scores against the big sides.
posted on 13/1/17
Fat Ronaldo *
posted on 13/1/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 19 minutes ago
What would Stuart Pearce do?
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Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
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I think it was relief of that situation of not losing. I doubt he would have done that had he scored the second goal and not the equaliser. In my opinion the reason why the response to him was magnified was because of his behaviour in contrast to Oxo and Alexis. Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
--------------------------
I don't think it has. Think back to the interview Theo gave after we beat Chelsea. It was universally commended because he downplayed the win as not important if the outcome of the season is not a challenge for the title. I think all fans were happy when we equalised. However I believe people reacted to Giroud because of his reaction. Had Giroud done what Alexis and Oxo did I believe he would have been commended like Theo was earlier in the season.
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I imagine had it been Alexis who scored, (and he chose to celebrate similarly) the fan reaction would not have been the same.
posted on 13/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 19 minutes ago
What would Stuart Pearce do?
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Giroud was not celebrating a draw. The match had not finished. He was celebrating scoring a goal in the final minutes of the game. A game in which the team were three nil down.
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I think it was relief of that situation of not losing. I doubt he would have done that had he scored the second goal and not the equaliser. In my opinion the reason why the response to him was magnified was because of his behaviour in contrast to Oxo and Alexis. Had they both also celebrated I doubt the fans would have reacted so vociferously towards Giroud.
Have we now reached the point in which players are denounced for celebrating a goal. Or should every result/goal/achievement be eradicated until such times as the club wins the PL?
--------------------------
I don't think it has. Think back to the interview Theo gave after we beat Chelsea. It was universally commended because he downplayed the win as not important if the outcome of the season is not a challenge for the title. I think all fans were happy when we equalised. However I believe people reacted to Giroud because of his reaction. Had Giroud done what Alexis and Oxo did I believe he would have been commended like Theo was earlier in the season.
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I imagine had it been Alexis who scored, (and he chose to celebrate similarly) the fan reaction would not have been the same.
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indeed. he would have been the loser instead of giroud.
hes better than that though
posted on 13/1/17
He's a flat track bully that barely scores against the big sides.
===========
5 in 9 v Liverpool
4 in 7 v PSG
4 in 9 v Man City
3 in 5 v Bayern
1 in 2 v Dortmund
17 in 32 appearances against this group.
All look pretty big sides to me, tbh. A 1 in 2 against that lot is good.
Also the BS about us thinking he is the white Ronaldo He is our back up striker and we are talking about him in those terms.
When you look around at the back up strikers elsewhere I think we have a pretty good one. The likes of Iheanacho and Rashford are very much still potential, the likes of Batshuiya and Janssen look expensive flops.
posted on 13/1/17
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 11 minutes ago
To be honest 99.9% of Arsenal fans couldn't stand Giroud a few months ago and have banging on about getting a proper striker for ages. He goes on a decent run of crucial goals and suddenly he's Fat RonaldinhoGiroud is a good premier league centre forward but that's how far it goes. He's on the level of a Christian Benteke. Good forward but nothing really special. He's a flat track bully that barely scores against the big sides.
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Thats not correct.
Giroud is not a good PL CF, average maybe. What he does is have good spells of up to 2 months and is rubbish for the rest of the season. At the moment we ar ein one of the 2 month spells so the fans who base their view on current form are in love with him. Wont be long until we have another spell like last year when he didnt score in February, March or April. Thats why youre first bit about 99.9% of Arsenal fans a few months ago is right, they are just too blinkered to look at the long term.
posted on 13/1/17
This don guy has completely missed the point
posted on 13/1/17
Also the BS about us thinking he is the white Ronaldo He is our back up striker and we are talking about him in those terms."
But theoretically he's not your back up striker as he's really your only proper striker and recently he's back in the team again. I don't class Sanchez as a proper striker so if we are talking about who Arsenals strikers are then Giroud comes to the top of the list as he's hike only natural centre forward. So as your only real striker I would certainly say he's a lot weaker than any of the top 6 strikers by a distance ( Costa, Kane, Zlatan, Sturridge and Aguero)
posted on 13/1/17
comment by Limbo. Limbo Like Arsene. (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
This don guy has completely missed the point
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that's what he does.
Donald
posted on 13/1/17
I have not missed any point at all. I am basing it on what I have read on other Arsenal forums where now you have a few piping up about Giroud. Nothing to do particularly with this Article, I'm talking in general
posted on 13/1/17
Don_tottenham
“I don't class Sanchez as a proper striker”
Hardly relevant as AW does. And has (successfully) utilised him as a striker this season.
posted on 13/1/17
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 30 seconds ago
I have not missed any point at all. I am basing it on what I have read on other Arsenal forums where now you have a few piping up about Giroud. Nothing to do particularly with this Article, I'm talking in general
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"I have not missed any point at all."
"Nothing to do particularly with this Article"
posted on 13/1/17
Someone who has started 3 out of 20 PL games is our first choice?
Just because the person who is our first choice striker doesn't fit your personal definition of a "proper striker"?
posted on 13/1/17
It's fun to wum GT and call Giroud shiiiiiit but he is a good striker.
posted on 13/1/17
Sanchez is not a proper striker though and never has been. I guess we can shove Dele Ali upfront and just class him as our striker. My point is your only real centre forward is Giroud so when comparing strikers of other teams, it's only fair to compare your striker to other teams. Giroud being a good striker but nothing special.
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