comment by KLS- Jesus! I was expecting a bowl of cornflak... (U1695)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fitlfc (U2366)
posted 4 minutes ago
Our scouting team needs to be replaced once again . Academy is getting better but scouting for first team is awful
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6 weeks ago when we where flying high and beat teams for fun, was the scouting team awful?
Was the team and players sh!te?
We are enduring a poor run of form and all this is just absolute fickleness of the highest order.
Last January we signed nobody apart from Steven Caulker on loan and that was because we had a defensive crisis.
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People did say what will happen:
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
We have seen the outcome of that now.
- The squad is not up to regular 2 games a week.
- No strength and depth
- Stuck in a rut while players look tired.
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
======================
Bit of a perfect storm though isn't it. I mean you can't account for Matip missing due to some paperwork or players going out of form. That's just football. Were people saying this about Spurs when they went 10 games without winning.
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
Just as a footnote the players are covering pretty much exactly the same amount of distance and making the same amount of sprints.
I don't rate either of our keepers that highly but you can really have ago at Karius, he was brought in for a low fee and pushed into the team because mignolet is that bad.
Do we need a new keeper yes but Karius is more than enough as back up.
Klavan again brought in at a low fee to be back up.
Mane has been unbelievable for us and looking a bargain.
Wijnaldum was the signing that I was quizzical about but again I think he's been good and provides that goal threat from midfield.
comment by CANuLEIVAorWIJNALDUMtrophies (U18359)
If we get CL then don't go big in the summer then it will be pretty clear what kind of owners we have
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CL or no CL we need to go big this summer regardless.
4 or so players ready to play every game is what we need. Last summer we had Matip, Wij, Mane who gave us a boost. Need to add to that with similar or better quality to give us staying power.
People did say what will happen:
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
We have seen the outcome of that now.
- The squad is not up to regular 2 games a week.
- No strength and depth
- Stuck in a rut while players look tired.
Klopp has admitted that he himself and the others at the club over estimated the strength of the squad, that's OK though it's good to have faith in the players.
But they now know it needs investment and that will be addressed this summer (wait and see but I'm confident)
And the whole Mane to AFCON thing, how would people have solved this situation? I'm not having but a lad in January to be honest cause that comes with the expectation that he will hit the ground running etc. Which rarley happens at Liverpool.
So buy this player last summer and have him on the bench till Jan, play for 5 weeks then back to the bench again?
I don't think the Mane thing is that big a deal or that the club should have done more about it. 2 months ago we'd all have said we we have Studge and Origi to come in, the impact of Mane going was severley impacted due to both of these lads beong in dreadful form.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
======================
Bit of a perfect storm though isn't it. I mean you can't account for Matip missing due to some paperwork or players going out of form. That's just football. Were people saying this about Spurs when they went 10 games without winning.
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
Just as a footnote the players are covering pretty much exactly the same amount of distance and making the same amount of sprints.
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That's why you need squad strength which is what we lack. Players regularly go out of form and injuries do occur. We did not cope well during this period.
Spurs bad form was early season which included regular 2 games a week and injuries. They overcame that patch and we might do the same.
Players might be running the same distance but the intensity is down as is the high press. Fek the stats you just need to watch the game to see that
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
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As RAP would say stop being a happy clapper. Relegation was never on the table. Rodgers and Ranieri have shown with no European football top 4 should be minimum.
Bollox. If I check Kash did you predict top four?
I predicted 6th.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Bollox. If I check Kash did you predict top four?
I predicted 6th.
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I predicted 4th and might still be right.
Well you're in a minority.
Rodgers and Ranieri
What about the literally dozens of managers who didn't manage it.
No wonder you're moaning if you have silly expectations.
Ooooh we play about 8 less games over 8 months so we should usurp the 7 teams above us by proxy.
What nonsense.
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
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As RAP would say stop being a happy clapper. Relegation was never on the table. Rodgers and Ranieri have shown with no European football top 4 should be minimum.
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oh come on, you're surely not going to use probably the greatest example of over-achievement in the history of English football as an argument for getting top 4!
Leicester was a wonderful example of what sport can be but they're not a benchmark!
Two of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, City, Utd and us are going to miss out on CL football. We have no divine right to the top 4 irrespective of midweek football.
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He is going to win us the league.
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Just delete him Hoody, it's been an interesting discussion so far. Would be nice to keep it that way.
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*haven't.
Anywho, Klopp did well last summer and if we do well this coming summer again with 3-4 players we can become more consistent.
I agree. As said I find it comforting, for want of better words, that when we have spent £25m+ we have improved the first team. Throw in Matip as well and it gives me confidence in the club going forward.
I think FSG have been solid but unspectacular.
They have largely settled the club down after a turbulent period. I don't mind that they want to sell the club for profit, owners that won't want to do that will frankly be very few and far between when you talking about a billion pound industry. The dream of a Liverpool fan billionaire is just that, an unrealistic dream.
I don't worry too much about amount spent either. It's not about how much you spend but what you spend it on.
We have made a lot of recruitment mistakes since they arrived so that is a definite black mark against them, but we were making a lot before they arrived as well.
I think Klopps signings have suggested that maybe we can and will be better in that area. We need to be to be able to compete for trophies on the budget, but it is possible to compete on a net spend of £20m a year.
This summer is a big summer but not for me in terms of how much money we spend. Rather about spending it wisely and keeping our best players.
I expect us to finish top 4. The moaners can do one until I'm proved otherwise, and that should enable us to attract good players and improve the team and squad. Whether that takes £100m or £40m doesn't bother me. The key for me is keeping everyone Klopp wants to keep and building on what we have.
If we don't finish top 4 again then FSG are probably going to have to gamble a bit more on wages otherwise our lack of CL football could be terminal. Qualifying for it with EL football next season would be more difficult than this season will prove and we will really be back to square 1.
As I said though, we will make the CL in my opinion and unlike last time we need to make it count on and off the pitch.
You haven't had regular champions league money more or less all the way through their tenure. You've also had a small stadium in relation to your fanbase which they've started to improve on.
I think what you've spent is about par for the course.
I think some of you had unrealistic expectations.
Not to mention that they have taken no money from the club...
Im perfectly happy with FSGs ownership of the club, im sure that given time we will kick on
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 hours, 51 minutes ago
You haven't had regular champions league money more or less all the way through their tenure. You've also had a small stadium in relation to your fanbase which they've started to improve on.
I think what you've spent is about par for the course.
I think some of you had unrealistic expectations.
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Don't disagree with this at all
The biggest things they've done for us are behind the scenes, we are a far far better outfit commercially now, have a much better stadium (seems to be forgotten when we have a bad run on the field) and have a world class manager who's biggest item on their CV isn't managing Liverpool.
Many good posts but regardless of the improvements of facilities,corporate,sponsorship money etc for me as a United fan the number 1 issue are the results and trophies won. There is not a 2nd issue anywhere close.
The owners of both clubs got an incredible deal and have drawn fantastic salaries for themselves and in the case of glazers their families. The glazers have spent big post fergie but they have no love of the club and it is just a cash cow milked annually,the better the success the fresher the milk.
Liverpool will be sold for a massive profit and you can only hope the next owner wants to follow the city or Chelsea model and be in for the long term without the need for balance sheet referrals.
Not sure I agree with that bertrand. I don't support Liverpool for the glory (probably best these days) and if you speak to older Utd fans they seem far more concerned with the philosophy and culture of Utd than the younger ones. You can see the younger fans on here getting really quite upset at Utd's malaise since Fergie left and yet either side of that manager they have been pretty average.
Furthermore having seen the club nearly go bust (and this was a genuine possibility) it's seems quite important to me that it doesn't as facetious as that sounds.
Off the pitch they have stabilised the club which is obviously a massive plus. They have increased revenue streams, decreased wages in relation to turnover and increased the capacity of Anfield.
On the pitch they have mostly far failed to deliver in my opinion. Winning a league cup with Kenny, with the 2nd place finish under Brendan obviously being the standout.
What has disappointed the most has been their recruitment policy. Bringing in sub standard players and penny pinching For example in the In" the letter to the fans window" we signed
Aspas, Alberto. Mignolet, Toure, Ilori, Sakho, Cissoko (loan) and Moses (loan), missing out on Willian, Diego Costa, Mkhitaryan, Salah, Konoplyanka.
It was a f'king debacle and was described as such by Rodgers.
When building on our second place finish we brought in Lambert, Lallana, Can, Markovic, Lovren, Origi, Moreno, Balotelli and Manquillo. Awful, considering we had the CL that season.
The club is now valued over 1 billion. Great for the owners and it's great to see us in a more secure position financially.
However, the team has pretty much stagnated over the period they have been with Liverpool which I find disappointing. They need to spend a bit more in my opinion to give us a better chance of being consistently competitive, which after 5 years they stated was one of their goals.
As has been said recruitment has been better under Klopp, but he still made them a profit in the transfer market. Arguably their best signing so far is our current manager (also Sturridge and Coutinho have been great), but to make us truly competitive they need to open the purse strings, having bought the club on the cheap and significantly increased it's value.
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posted on 8/2/17
comment by KLS- Jesus! I was expecting a bowl of cornflak... (U1695)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by fitlfc (U2366)
posted 4 minutes ago
Our scouting team needs to be replaced once again . Academy is getting better but scouting for first team is awful
------------------------------------------
6 weeks ago when we where flying high and beat teams for fun, was the scouting team awful?
Was the team and players sh!te?
We are enduring a poor run of form and all this is just absolute fickleness of the highest order.
Last January we signed nobody apart from Steven Caulker on loan and that was because we had a defensive crisis.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People did say what will happen:
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
We have seen the outcome of that now.
- The squad is not up to regular 2 games a week.
- No strength and depth
- Stuck in a rut while players look tired.
posted on 8/2/17
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
======================
Bit of a perfect storm though isn't it. I mean you can't account for Matip missing due to some paperwork or players going out of form. That's just football. Were people saying this about Spurs when they went 10 games without winning.
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
Just as a footnote the players are covering pretty much exactly the same amount of distance and making the same amount of sprints.
posted on 8/2/17
I don't rate either of our keepers that highly but you can really have ago at Karius, he was brought in for a low fee and pushed into the team because mignolet is that bad.
Do we need a new keeper yes but Karius is more than enough as back up.
Klavan again brought in at a low fee to be back up.
Mane has been unbelievable for us and looking a bargain.
Wijnaldum was the signing that I was quizzical about but again I think he's been good and provides that goal threat from midfield.
posted on 8/2/17
comment by CANuLEIVAorWIJNALDUMtrophies (U18359)
If we get CL then don't go big in the summer then it will be pretty clear what kind of owners we have
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CL or no CL we need to go big this summer regardless.
4 or so players ready to play every game is what we need. Last summer we had Matip, Wij, Mane who gave us a boost. Need to add to that with similar or better quality to give us staying power.
posted on 8/2/17
People did say what will happen:
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
We have seen the outcome of that now.
- The squad is not up to regular 2 games a week.
- No strength and depth
- Stuck in a rut while players look tired.
Klopp has admitted that he himself and the others at the club over estimated the strength of the squad, that's OK though it's good to have faith in the players.
But they now know it needs investment and that will be addressed this summer (wait and see but I'm confident)
And the whole Mane to AFCON thing, how would people have solved this situation? I'm not having but a lad in January to be honest cause that comes with the expectation that he will hit the ground running etc. Which rarley happens at Liverpool.
So buy this player last summer and have him on the bench till Jan, play for 5 weeks then back to the bench again?
I don't think the Mane thing is that big a deal or that the club should have done more about it. 2 months ago we'd all have said we we have Studge and Origi to come in, the impact of Mane going was severley impacted due to both of these lads beong in dreadful form.
posted on 8/2/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
- when we pick up injuries
- players go out of form
- Mane at AFCOM
- fixture congestion
- gegen pressing side effects
======================
Bit of a perfect storm though isn't it. I mean you can't account for Matip missing due to some paperwork or players going out of form. That's just football. Were people saying this about Spurs when they went 10 games without winning.
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
Just as a footnote the players are covering pretty much exactly the same amount of distance and making the same amount of sprints.
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That's why you need squad strength which is what we lack. Players regularly go out of form and injuries do occur. We did not cope well during this period.
Spurs bad form was early season which included regular 2 games a week and injuries. They overcame that patch and we might do the same.
Players might be running the same distance but the intensity is down as is the high press. Fek the stats you just need to watch the game to see that
posted on 8/2/17
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
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As RAP would say stop being a happy clapper. Relegation was never on the table. Rodgers and Ranieri have shown with no European football top 4 should be minimum.
posted on 8/2/17
Bollox. If I check Kash did you predict top four?
I predicted 6th.
posted on 8/2/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Bollox. If I check Kash did you predict top four?
I predicted 6th.
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I predicted 4th and might still be right.
posted on 8/2/17
Well you're in a minority.
Rodgers and Ranieri
What about the literally dozens of managers who didn't manage it.
No wonder you're moaning if you have silly expectations.
Ooooh we play about 8 less games over 8 months so we should usurp the 7 teams above us by proxy.
What nonsense.
posted on 8/2/17
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
We have failed to win some football matches. We're not getting relegated.
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As RAP would say stop being a happy clapper. Relegation was never on the table. Rodgers and Ranieri have shown with no European football top 4 should be minimum.
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oh come on, you're surely not going to use probably the greatest example of over-achievement in the history of English football as an argument for getting top 4!
Leicester was a wonderful example of what sport can be but they're not a benchmark!
Two of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, City, Utd and us are going to miss out on CL football. We have no divine right to the top 4 irrespective of midweek football.
posted on 8/2/17
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posted on 8/2/17
He is going to win us the league.
posted on 8/2/17
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posted on 8/2/17
Just delete him Hoody, it's been an interesting discussion so far. Would be nice to keep it that way.
posted on 8/2/17
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posted on 8/2/17
*haven't.
Anywho, Klopp did well last summer and if we do well this coming summer again with 3-4 players we can become more consistent.
posted on 8/2/17
I agree. As said I find it comforting, for want of better words, that when we have spent £25m+ we have improved the first team. Throw in Matip as well and it gives me confidence in the club going forward.
posted on 8/2/17
I think FSG have been solid but unspectacular.
They have largely settled the club down after a turbulent period. I don't mind that they want to sell the club for profit, owners that won't want to do that will frankly be very few and far between when you talking about a billion pound industry. The dream of a Liverpool fan billionaire is just that, an unrealistic dream.
I don't worry too much about amount spent either. It's not about how much you spend but what you spend it on.
We have made a lot of recruitment mistakes since they arrived so that is a definite black mark against them, but we were making a lot before they arrived as well.
I think Klopps signings have suggested that maybe we can and will be better in that area. We need to be to be able to compete for trophies on the budget, but it is possible to compete on a net spend of £20m a year.
This summer is a big summer but not for me in terms of how much money we spend. Rather about spending it wisely and keeping our best players.
I expect us to finish top 4. The moaners can do one until I'm proved otherwise, and that should enable us to attract good players and improve the team and squad. Whether that takes £100m or £40m doesn't bother me. The key for me is keeping everyone Klopp wants to keep and building on what we have.
If we don't finish top 4 again then FSG are probably going to have to gamble a bit more on wages otherwise our lack of CL football could be terminal. Qualifying for it with EL football next season would be more difficult than this season will prove and we will really be back to square 1.
As I said though, we will make the CL in my opinion and unlike last time we need to make it count on and off the pitch.
posted on 8/2/17
You haven't had regular champions league money more or less all the way through their tenure. You've also had a small stadium in relation to your fanbase which they've started to improve on.
I think what you've spent is about par for the course.
I think some of you had unrealistic expectations.
posted on 8/2/17
Not to mention that they have taken no money from the club...
Im perfectly happy with FSGs ownership of the club, im sure that given time we will kick on
posted on 9/2/17
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 hours, 51 minutes ago
You haven't had regular champions league money more or less all the way through their tenure. You've also had a small stadium in relation to your fanbase which they've started to improve on.
I think what you've spent is about par for the course.
I think some of you had unrealistic expectations.
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Don't disagree with this at all
The biggest things they've done for us are behind the scenes, we are a far far better outfit commercially now, have a much better stadium (seems to be forgotten when we have a bad run on the field) and have a world class manager who's biggest item on their CV isn't managing Liverpool.
posted on 9/2/17
Many good posts but regardless of the improvements of facilities,corporate,sponsorship money etc for me as a United fan the number 1 issue are the results and trophies won. There is not a 2nd issue anywhere close.
The owners of both clubs got an incredible deal and have drawn fantastic salaries for themselves and in the case of glazers their families. The glazers have spent big post fergie but they have no love of the club and it is just a cash cow milked annually,the better the success the fresher the milk.
Liverpool will be sold for a massive profit and you can only hope the next owner wants to follow the city or Chelsea model and be in for the long term without the need for balance sheet referrals.
posted on 9/2/17
Not sure I agree with that bertrand. I don't support Liverpool for the glory (probably best these days) and if you speak to older Utd fans they seem far more concerned with the philosophy and culture of Utd than the younger ones. You can see the younger fans on here getting really quite upset at Utd's malaise since Fergie left and yet either side of that manager they have been pretty average.
Furthermore having seen the club nearly go bust (and this was a genuine possibility) it's seems quite important to me that it doesn't as facetious as that sounds.
posted on 9/2/17
Off the pitch they have stabilised the club which is obviously a massive plus. They have increased revenue streams, decreased wages in relation to turnover and increased the capacity of Anfield.
On the pitch they have mostly far failed to deliver in my opinion. Winning a league cup with Kenny, with the 2nd place finish under Brendan obviously being the standout.
What has disappointed the most has been their recruitment policy. Bringing in sub standard players and penny pinching For example in the In" the letter to the fans window" we signed
Aspas, Alberto. Mignolet, Toure, Ilori, Sakho, Cissoko (loan) and Moses (loan), missing out on Willian, Diego Costa, Mkhitaryan, Salah, Konoplyanka.
It was a f'king debacle and was described as such by Rodgers.
When building on our second place finish we brought in Lambert, Lallana, Can, Markovic, Lovren, Origi, Moreno, Balotelli and Manquillo. Awful, considering we had the CL that season.
The club is now valued over 1 billion. Great for the owners and it's great to see us in a more secure position financially.
However, the team has pretty much stagnated over the period they have been with Liverpool which I find disappointing. They need to spend a bit more in my opinion to give us a better chance of being consistently competitive, which after 5 years they stated was one of their goals.
As has been said recruitment has been better under Klopp, but he still made them a profit in the transfer market. Arguably their best signing so far is our current manager (also Sturridge and Coutinho have been great), but to make us truly competitive they need to open the purse strings, having bought the club on the cheap and significantly increased it's value.
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