Uninterested not disinterested 3R.
Thought Keogh was awful in the first half. His surges up field and subsequent passes just gave the ball to Bristol so they could counter attack with our defence out of position. He was much better in the second half.
You are right about Johnson who seemed to be playing as a sweeper not a defensive midfielder.
I cannot agree about Camara and Anya causing havoc. They may have caused a bit of worry for Bristol.
The miss of the season was from Bristol's new signing from their neighbours, Mattie Taylor. He scored their opening goal. Abraham was a hand full for our defence. He is tall rangy but also very quick. Might be worth contacting Chelsea regarding a loan for next season.
Keogh let Abraham run off him for their second and third, and did nothing to captain the side, yet MoTM when Bents scored twice?
Ridiculous.
I thought 666 would be the first to object but he was only second. I agree though about their goals, but as I said I have totally ignored the first half in my performance assessments. The whole team was deplorably poor and not even trying to play. But did you see Keogh's speed across the ground in the second half? Or is this another of those games you did not go to? Perhaps, you just watched the highlights? You don't need to answer that question. Your silence will indicate that you did not go.
Great thing about making Keogh MOTM is that it provides us with another weeks worth of entertainment.....
Good report 3R πthanks.
Have got to take exception to the concept of any MOTM including Keogh. If you were taking any individual performances in relation to that awful first half , then at least 8 players were MOTM
π
Thanks 3R, wondered how big the attendance was. Not bad for a cold, wet February afternoon.
And if 666 attended more matches, he would have noted Keogh's unique ability to literally fly across the pitch
I thought our MOTM was Nugent, he played well when he came on and looked to play football. Could we have a good signing at last?
I thought the whole team were shocking in the first half, I can only think they thought it would be easy against Bristol City. Bryson wasn't in it, Johnson was far too deep, Hughes didn't look fit, Bent and Ince were anonymous and the worst player I've seen since Derick Draper was the totally ineffective Camara. If he must play it should be towards the end of the match when the opposition full back is tiring. He can run fast though, I'm looking forward to seeing him in the next olympics.
I can't see us going up this season, so it's onto the next where I hope we get some good players who fit whatever system we are playing. That Tammy Abrahams looked good, he reminded me of a thinner and faster Martin.
Fancy Rowett and Warburton still unemployed.
As I have said before there is an unwritten rule that we can only be promoted with Sunderland. As Sunderland will almost certainly be relegated and then use the financial muscle of the parachute payments to buy a promotion side then we need to prepare for a promotion push.
We need to cut our losses with some of the expensive flops and sign better quality players. I don't think we will get much for Vydra though.
I turned on my wireless this morning and heard the familiar voice of our worst manager of all time. I didn't hear Derby mentioned obviously as we aren't in the Prem, but he was asked if he had ever lost the dressing room. He said no!! but they didn't ask if he had lost the whole flippin club. He was asked about mental toughness, he should know a lot about mental stuff.
You make it sound like they couldn't have scored more in the second half, yet a serious contender for Miss of the season happened: how fleet of foot was Keogh then? Fact is that he's been rubbish the last two matches, has again been found wanting as a captain, yet you again elevate him above all others. You're clearly a complete fool, and if actually turning up to games skews your perspective to the extent that yours is then perhaps it's better to not go.
I'll ask again: since you clearly refute the validity of opinions from those who did not attend, why do you bother to pen this article? Or is this the only medium that can be used as an acceptable source of match facts? Or, more likely, is it only the opinions of those who do not agree with you that you disregard..? Both Ang and Heb have responded; are their opinions also worthless? Your considered response would be appreciated as I'd hate for you to prove hypocritical.
Ince easily MOM for me. I thought he was the only one showing anything like intent the first half. Camara was shocking.
I think Nugent would lead the line far better than Bent because of his greater mobility and a bit of football intelligence. Bent does keep scoring though. The midfield was terrible until the second half and then Hughes and Butterfield became average. Until then there was no player showing for the ball or willing to close down quickly. A journeyman like Cotterill showed how to play midfield.
Abraham was excellent - he fought to retain the ball, often jumping to try to cushion the ball on his chest or even his neck despite being jostled from behind. Many times he retained possession and his overall willingness was superb. He could be a top player.
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
Hopefully the article is to canvas opinion. The trouble is though 666 that your opinion simply becomes tiresome as no matter what happens in any game, all you can talk about is how it is all Keogh's fault. I don't know if you saw the game or just the highlights. It would be possible to point the finger at any number of individuals if you had a mind to, but there was a collective hopelessness that was mainly to blame. You would choose to blame Keogh by saying he should inspire those around him to do better but it would be better to blame the individuals or McLaren. Keogh was one of the few who did actually show desire for the whole game although his passing in the first half was very poor. In the second half he was inspirational in raising the tempo and leading by example. McLaren singled him out for especial praise.
Sorry, 666, it's just tedious to read now. There isn't even a class clown element to it, just the same recycled material.
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 11 minutes ago
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
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Thanks for clearing up the first point, Spart.
As regards the second, 3R's article has at least stimulated some debate on what would otherwise been a boring Sunday afternoon.
I mean, it's not as if there's any decent rugby to watch
It's not as though there is any decent rugby. Chemically enhanced ex public school boys standing around waiting for the referee to blow his whistle for some infringement.
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 23 minutes ago
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
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Kind Spart. But my footy opinions really are worthless. Trust me. Good on nature and stuff though
I think, 666, there can be no doubt that you have to see the whole game to be able to comment seriously. Except in the case of a single incident, well covered on TV, in which case your opinion on that particular event would be just as good as any other. We all know how highlights can distort a game if the broadcaster wants to push a certain angle.
My purpose in doing the article is twofold. It promotes a discussion on some aspects of Derby County that interest a lot of fans and it provides some sort of historical record of our games (as seen by one long term and dedicated fan) at least for home games. The other purpose was, genuinely to try to provide the sort of Home team biased report for folk like Ang and Heb and Auk, who I thought might like a fan's insight into Derby's home games. It also helps me understand and analyse other aspects off the club's affairs. On the whole I get quite a bit of encouragement to continue and I will do so as long as the inclination lies within me.
I apologise for nominating Keogh as MOTM just to get a response from a certain person from Spondon (I think).
I can't recall any football opinions from yourself Heb other than to extol the virtues of Scottish players who have pulled on the famous white shirt. Perhaps your support of a certain Irish international with a fishy sounding name was a little misguided.
What is your opinion of your in law Mr Trump?
Please keep doing your excellent reports Ramdini. I was waiting so I could post my thoughts.
My men of the match were Cotterill and Tammy, why aren't they playing for us?
comment by HebridesRam (U2909)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 23 minutes ago
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
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Kind Spart. But my footy opinions really are worthless. Trust me. Good on nature and stuff though
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They're well-respected, never worthless, Heb, and provide a vital balance to the radical and ill-considered.
As Spart mentioned, you certainly raised the bar in the level of the Conor Sammon debate
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I turned on my wireless this morning and heard the familiar voice of our worst manager of all time.
What was Tommy Docherty doing on Radio Derby?
So the concensus seems to be....
....Carry On Ramdini
Id make nugent Motm, as he seemed to be the only one with a bit of nous.
As one who does attend the matches, I really do not understand the collection of semi's on this site for Keogh, that is unless you're all trying to wind up bloaters. Defensively he is average, positionaly he is poor and I don't see him as an organiser. After each one of their goals he shrugged his shoulders and held his arms widewith a look of bewilderment last seen on my poor granny who had dementia.
We may as well keep him as Captain as we have no other demonstrative leaders in the side. I would still look to try Keogh as the defensive midfielder. It would keep him out of harms way and I honestly believe he has better attributes than Bj.
Vidals:
Your assertion that it's repetitive is correct but is unfortunately inextricably linked to Keogh's form and actions: typical man-management spiel from McClaren regarding his captain's performance but the truth was out there on the pitch, whether viewed live or otherwise.
At least the tide is turning now though, and people are opening their eyes to see behind the badge and indeed the armband.
Mapdini:
You admit then that there is no respect for the opinions of those who didn't go, and further dismiss the opinions of those who have seen only the highlights? My view of Keogh's positioning before, during, and after Bristol's goals was superior to yours by virtue of the highlights having better and more angles than yours from your seat. He was at fault for at least two, and I'm not even starting to ask questions about who marked who at their corner for the first.
So, since your position is that those who didn't attend cannot form a sensible position on the match, why do you publish your report on here? There are reports in all of the usual media, and tv highlights, but as none of those constitute sufficient evidence to inform how do you suppose your ramblings assist? Or are they merely the embodiment of your ego? Remember that this is a discussion forum, where opinions are exchanged and debated, and NOT your publishing website. I'm not your subscriber, your attendance or otherwise to matches does not grant you privilege or rank, so if I comment you can accept it, debate it, or refute it, but going to the matches isn't a prerequisite for 606ing and you'll do well to remember that a large number of the contributors here don't go to many matches either. Dismissing my opinion for that reason on that basis is also dismissing theirs, whether you agree with them or not.
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posted on 12/2/17
Uninterested not disinterested 3R.
Thought Keogh was awful in the first half. His surges up field and subsequent passes just gave the ball to Bristol so they could counter attack with our defence out of position. He was much better in the second half.
You are right about Johnson who seemed to be playing as a sweeper not a defensive midfielder.
I cannot agree about Camara and Anya causing havoc. They may have caused a bit of worry for Bristol.
The miss of the season was from Bristol's new signing from their neighbours, Mattie Taylor. He scored their opening goal. Abraham was a hand full for our defence. He is tall rangy but also very quick. Might be worth contacting Chelsea regarding a loan for next season.
posted on 12/2/17
Keogh let Abraham run off him for their second and third, and did nothing to captain the side, yet MoTM when Bents scored twice?
Ridiculous.
posted on 12/2/17
I thought 666 would be the first to object but he was only second. I agree though about their goals, but as I said I have totally ignored the first half in my performance assessments. The whole team was deplorably poor and not even trying to play. But did you see Keogh's speed across the ground in the second half? Or is this another of those games you did not go to? Perhaps, you just watched the highlights? You don't need to answer that question. Your silence will indicate that you did not go.
posted on 12/2/17
Great thing about making Keogh MOTM is that it provides us with another weeks worth of entertainment.....
posted on 12/2/17
Good report 3R πthanks.
Have got to take exception to the concept of any MOTM including Keogh. If you were taking any individual performances in relation to that awful first half , then at least 8 players were MOTM
π
posted on 12/2/17
Thanks 3R, wondered how big the attendance was. Not bad for a cold, wet February afternoon.
And if 666 attended more matches, he would have noted Keogh's unique ability to literally fly across the pitch
posted on 12/2/17
I thought our MOTM was Nugent, he played well when he came on and looked to play football. Could we have a good signing at last?
I thought the whole team were shocking in the first half, I can only think they thought it would be easy against Bristol City. Bryson wasn't in it, Johnson was far too deep, Hughes didn't look fit, Bent and Ince were anonymous and the worst player I've seen since Derick Draper was the totally ineffective Camara. If he must play it should be towards the end of the match when the opposition full back is tiring. He can run fast though, I'm looking forward to seeing him in the next olympics.
I can't see us going up this season, so it's onto the next where I hope we get some good players who fit whatever system we are playing. That Tammy Abrahams looked good, he reminded me of a thinner and faster Martin.
Fancy Rowett and Warburton still unemployed.
posted on 12/2/17
As I have said before there is an unwritten rule that we can only be promoted with Sunderland. As Sunderland will almost certainly be relegated and then use the financial muscle of the parachute payments to buy a promotion side then we need to prepare for a promotion push.
We need to cut our losses with some of the expensive flops and sign better quality players. I don't think we will get much for Vydra though.
posted on 12/2/17
I turned on my wireless this morning and heard the familiar voice of our worst manager of all time. I didn't hear Derby mentioned obviously as we aren't in the Prem, but he was asked if he had ever lost the dressing room. He said no!! but they didn't ask if he had lost the whole flippin club. He was asked about mental toughness, he should know a lot about mental stuff.
posted on 12/2/17
You make it sound like they couldn't have scored more in the second half, yet a serious contender for Miss of the season happened: how fleet of foot was Keogh then? Fact is that he's been rubbish the last two matches, has again been found wanting as a captain, yet you again elevate him above all others. You're clearly a complete fool, and if actually turning up to games skews your perspective to the extent that yours is then perhaps it's better to not go.
I'll ask again: since you clearly refute the validity of opinions from those who did not attend, why do you bother to pen this article? Or is this the only medium that can be used as an acceptable source of match facts? Or, more likely, is it only the opinions of those who do not agree with you that you disregard..? Both Ang and Heb have responded; are their opinions also worthless? Your considered response would be appreciated as I'd hate for you to prove hypocritical.
posted on 12/2/17
Ince easily MOM for me. I thought he was the only one showing anything like intent the first half. Camara was shocking.
I think Nugent would lead the line far better than Bent because of his greater mobility and a bit of football intelligence. Bent does keep scoring though. The midfield was terrible until the second half and then Hughes and Butterfield became average. Until then there was no player showing for the ball or willing to close down quickly. A journeyman like Cotterill showed how to play midfield.
Abraham was excellent - he fought to retain the ball, often jumping to try to cushion the ball on his chest or even his neck despite being jostled from behind. Many times he retained possession and his overall willingness was superb. He could be a top player.
posted on 12/2/17
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
posted on 12/2/17
Hopefully the article is to canvas opinion. The trouble is though 666 that your opinion simply becomes tiresome as no matter what happens in any game, all you can talk about is how it is all Keogh's fault. I don't know if you saw the game or just the highlights. It would be possible to point the finger at any number of individuals if you had a mind to, but there was a collective hopelessness that was mainly to blame. You would choose to blame Keogh by saying he should inspire those around him to do better but it would be better to blame the individuals or McLaren. Keogh was one of the few who did actually show desire for the whole game although his passing in the first half was very poor. In the second half he was inspirational in raising the tempo and leading by example. McLaren singled him out for especial praise.
Sorry, 666, it's just tedious to read now. There isn't even a class clown element to it, just the same recycled material.
posted on 12/2/17
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 11 minutes ago
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
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Thanks for clearing up the first point, Spart.
As regards the second, 3R's article has at least stimulated some debate on what would otherwise been a boring Sunday afternoon.
I mean, it's not as if there's any decent rugby to watch
posted on 12/2/17
It's not as though there is any decent rugby. Chemically enhanced ex public school boys standing around waiting for the referee to blow his whistle for some infringement.
posted on 12/2/17
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 23 minutes ago
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
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Kind Spart. But my footy opinions really are worthless. Trust me. Good on nature and stuff though
posted on 12/2/17
I think, 666, there can be no doubt that you have to see the whole game to be able to comment seriously. Except in the case of a single incident, well covered on TV, in which case your opinion on that particular event would be just as good as any other. We all know how highlights can distort a game if the broadcaster wants to push a certain angle.
My purpose in doing the article is twofold. It promotes a discussion on some aspects of Derby County that interest a lot of fans and it provides some sort of historical record of our games (as seen by one long term and dedicated fan) at least for home games. The other purpose was, genuinely to try to provide the sort of Home team biased report for folk like Ang and Heb and Auk, who I thought might like a fan's insight into Derby's home games. It also helps me understand and analyse other aspects off the club's affairs. On the whole I get quite a bit of encouragement to continue and I will do so as long as the inclination lies within me.
I apologise for nominating Keogh as MOTM just to get a response from a certain person from Spondon (I think).
posted on 12/2/17
I can't recall any football opinions from yourself Heb other than to extol the virtues of Scottish players who have pulled on the famous white shirt. Perhaps your support of a certain Irish international with a fishy sounding name was a little misguided.
What is your opinion of your in law Mr Trump?
posted on 12/2/17
Please keep doing your excellent reports Ramdini. I was waiting so I could post my thoughts.
My men of the match were Cotterill and Tammy, why aren't they playing for us?
posted on 12/2/17
comment by HebridesRam (U2909)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by I'm not Spartacus. and definitely not Vidal (U4603)
posted 23 minutes ago
Simple rule 666, Ang and Heb's opinions aren't worthless, yours are. However a good point about why pen the article.
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Kind Spart. But my footy opinions really are worthless. Trust me. Good on nature and stuff though
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They're well-respected, never worthless, Heb, and provide a vital balance to the radical and ill-considered.
As Spart mentioned, you certainly raised the bar in the level of the Conor Sammon debate
posted on 12/2/17
comment by VC10Ram (U18980)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
I turned on my wireless this morning and heard the familiar voice of our worst manager of all time.
What was Tommy Docherty doing on Radio Derby?
posted on 12/2/17
So the concensus seems to be....
....Carry On Ramdini
posted on 12/2/17
Now for some rugby......
posted on 12/2/17
Id make nugent Motm, as he seemed to be the only one with a bit of nous.
As one who does attend the matches, I really do not understand the collection of semi's on this site for Keogh, that is unless you're all trying to wind up bloaters. Defensively he is average, positionaly he is poor and I don't see him as an organiser. After each one of their goals he shrugged his shoulders and held his arms widewith a look of bewilderment last seen on my poor granny who had dementia.
We may as well keep him as Captain as we have no other demonstrative leaders in the side. I would still look to try Keogh as the defensive midfielder. It would keep him out of harms way and I honestly believe he has better attributes than Bj.
posted on 12/2/17
Vidals:
Your assertion that it's repetitive is correct but is unfortunately inextricably linked to Keogh's form and actions: typical man-management spiel from McClaren regarding his captain's performance but the truth was out there on the pitch, whether viewed live or otherwise.
At least the tide is turning now though, and people are opening their eyes to see behind the badge and indeed the armband.
Mapdini:
You admit then that there is no respect for the opinions of those who didn't go, and further dismiss the opinions of those who have seen only the highlights? My view of Keogh's positioning before, during, and after Bristol's goals was superior to yours by virtue of the highlights having better and more angles than yours from your seat. He was at fault for at least two, and I'm not even starting to ask questions about who marked who at their corner for the first.
So, since your position is that those who didn't attend cannot form a sensible position on the match, why do you publish your report on here? There are reports in all of the usual media, and tv highlights, but as none of those constitute sufficient evidence to inform how do you suppose your ramblings assist? Or are they merely the embodiment of your ego? Remember that this is a discussion forum, where opinions are exchanged and debated, and NOT your publishing website. I'm not your subscriber, your attendance or otherwise to matches does not grant you privilege or rank, so if I comment you can accept it, debate it, or refute it, but going to the matches isn't a prerequisite for 606ing and you'll do well to remember that a large number of the contributors here don't go to many matches either. Dismissing my opinion for that reason on that basis is also dismissing theirs, whether you agree with them or not.
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