Wait till the end of the season and see if we need
A premiership or championship manager 😀
I suspect with Shakespeare we may well have a situation where he either gets the job permanently or leaves anyway - partly to follow his own path to become a manager and partly because a new boss may be concerned about his good relationship with the players and suffering the same fate as Ranieri. (Whether a truthful representation or not, the concern itself could be a self-fulfilling prophecy.) So in the first part, as long as the performance against Hull is up to scratch, there hopefully shouldn't be any need to make an immediate change.
(All of this is on the premise that we stay up...) In the summer, there may be more avenues open to explore. Wagner from Huddersfield, for example, may be of interest if they make the playoffs but don't win them. Rowett could theoretically still be available, as could Hodgson come to that. Would Hiddink be interested? It seems ambitious but he hasn't ruled himself out. It might even be possible to go controversial and tempt someone like Dyche if people wanted to go down that path. Or we could stick with Craig Shakespeare if the owners are pleased with his running of the club and feel he suitably matches their ambitions. The furore over Ranieri will also have died down somewhat, meaning it would no longer look like the new manager was plunging another knife into a fresh corpse. Plus, the immediate job would no longer contain a guaranteed relegation battle through the first dozen games.
So I think there are a few viable options to explore depending on which direction the owners want to take. What we should note, however, is that they've shown a propensity for hiring and being linked with experienced managers who have been there and done it. Even Pearson had been there and done it in that league. So while I'd quite like to see what a Rowett or a Wagner could do, I suspect the owners will be looking for someone considered less fresh but less of a gamble.
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To be fair Cosmic, we sacked CR because we were on a one-way track to relegation rather than because we're ruthlessly ambitious.
^ or someone else who might be interested at the end of the season. There will definitely be better options than Hodgson that's for sure.
Maybe Klopp will be available very soon
Shakespeare until the end of the season and, if we stay up, approach Eddie Howe in the close season. If we can't get him then try Hiddink or Wenger - or someone who isn't Roy Hodgson!
If we go down then big Nige! 3 years, one Premier League title, then back where we started.
It would be worth it just to see Nev go apoplectic when Stringer gets nobody to interview.
^ this.
Let's just try and stay up first. If our owners are really serious with their ambition, Eddie Howe is the manger we should get. At all cost.
Wagner, Rowett, German talent also worth reviewing.
If they're not available, get Hodgson or Pulis.
But we need to balance our excellent structure with a manager than can leverage the excellent foundations created by Pearson and cemented by Ranieri.
For me that isn't a journeyman manager.
We need continuation.
Eddie Howe is not going to come to Leicester. Not a chance
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posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Eddie Howe is not going to come to Leicester. Not a chance
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I don't know what to think about Howe, like he looks good but Bournemouth are in freefall again, just like the back end of last season.
I don't know if that's down to fitness or something to do with his management or what but they could easily get dragged into a proper dog fight here and could well be 16th just hovering above Hull who look more like getting results at the moment. I wouldn't bet against them going down.
Leicester need to be careful. What you don't want is a situation like Wolves in 2011-12 where they sacked Mick McCarthy and appointed his assistant, the hapless and completely untried Terry Connor, who drew four and lost ten of the games he had while in charge. The big difference between you and Wolves, of course, is that you have a squad of PL players - proven beyond any doubt! - while Wolves under McCarthy were full of Championship players and had failed to improve anywhere near adequately. Nevertheless, the managerial vacancy similarity would nag at me. Hope you get someone decent.
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posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Leicester need to be careful. What you don't want is a situation like Wolves in 2011-12 where they sacked Mick McCarthy and appointed his assistant, the hapless and completely untried Terry Connor, who drew four and lost ten of the games he had while in charge. The big difference between you and Wolves, of course, is that you have a squad of PL players - proven beyond any doubt! - while Wolves under McCarthy were full of Championship players and had failed to improve anywhere near adequately. Nevertheless, the managerial vacancy similarity would nag at me. Hope you get someone decent.
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I understand exactly what you mean but in our case we're safer in our assistants hands than someone who doesn't know the players. Fortunately Shakey has been an integral part of this group for a long time now and he's never been a passenger. Steve Walsh (ex scout) said tactically he's very good. I worry far more about anyone potentially coming in. I'm open to it in the summer but not now.
You're doing well this season, good to see you've signed some more creative players and have starter playing football. It must be happy days at the Hawthorns right now. See I'll give credit when it's due 😉
ps I told you we'd qualify for Europe and Vardy and Drinky would play for England just jokes mate, I've chilled out now so it's just a bit of light banter 👍
Shakey until end of season then Silva from Hull. His record is great and he's done wonders with them already, plus I think he's only on a short term contract until end of the season
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posted 8 hours, 32 minutes ago
Eddie Howe is not going to come to Leicester. Not a chance
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Maybe not, but I'd rather try and fail with him and a number of other candidates before I'd settle for Hodgson.
I heard the Fiorentina Manager might be available soon and Ranieri is a possible replacement for him.
Howe might give us a go, depends if he's getting the right financial backing at Bournemouth, he might decide he's taken them as far as he can?
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posted 17 minutes ago
Howe might give us a go, depends if he's getting the right financial backing at Bournemouth, he might decide he's taken them as far as he can?
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He hasn't just yet but Bournemouth are in freefall and heading back to the Championship unless their form improves. Going on last season they could be in real trouble.
If we stay up and they go down there is a possibility of Howe. But I agree with one of the earlier comments about being a little less trigger happy on him, I think the course of the season for Bournemouth will show more of his mettle or not.
There is also the argument that he has gone as far as he can as a manager in terms of his own capabilities at this present moment.
If we want to stick to the same style/formation/type of personnel that we reverted to against Liverpool, we need a manager who will come in and go with this ethos and that is a delicate decision. If we approach a new manager who wants to instil new ideas (this would be easier to find), then we need to invest hugely again in key areas, continue to play the same formation and style and then look to adapt it with the provision of more quality/PL experienced players who are...well...more adaptable than ours (this part is tricker).
Either way, it is a difficult one, because we aren't in a position where our current strategy and ethos has failed, but rather where we have changed that in order to improve for the future, failed, and reverted back to something which (hopefully) appears to perhaps be able to work again. Building on success is harder than changing after failure....but we know that already...
I think we should just forget about evolving and continue to sign players who will suit this style but with more quality.
This works and while teams will know how we play and try to stop us, as long as we do our job to the letter we will be too much for a lot or teams. Atletico Madrid play in the counter and they do alright so why change something that ain't broke?
I think this is the safest approach for the foreseeable.
I also actively promote commentators saying we play counter attack from 'the back' as it can only aid this misperception.
Unfortunately, if we do continue to revert to our Liverpool-match tactics, I think the removal of and reversion to this strategy may have highlighted to opponents what it actually was that made us so successful and therefore may ring alarm bells for the opposition managers.
My only hope is that commentators like, during the Liverpool match, continue to say 'that's exactly what made them successfully last season' - just after we have hoofed a ball up to Vardy to flick on for Okazaki ...!
Just a little thought, thinking out of the box, how about offering a position of assistant manager to Cambiaso, assisting Shakespeare with the first team but responsible for the development squad then in a couple of years or so promotion to manager, bringing in the players he has schooled.
It was after all Cambiaso who came up with this system of play.
I know there are problems that will need to be overcome - but just a thought
I will put my Tin Hat on now
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If you wanted someone versed in the basics, Harry Redknapp played a nice version of your 4411 from 2009-11. He is a huge character who manages ego in others quite well, andnis hands-off on training (if Shakespeare was to stay)
Leftfield choice, but I would have him above Hodgson. Although it is not saying much
Well, we our views on Hodgson range from being underwhelmed to abject horror. I'm more toward the former than the latter buy he's hardly an exciting, inspiring choice.
A lot of Leicester fans have something against Redknapp for reasons that I can't quite put my finger on. It seems to go back to when he was being rumoured with a move here when we were in the Championship and the fans wanted to stick with Pearson. (Rightly, it proved.)
I've always been more of a fan myself, although with two major caveats: He is a bit "dodgy", and has a propensity to spend a club dry. The fear would be that the owners could back him too much and fill the squad with expensive rubbish. I think ultimately it probably boils down to the same thing as Hodgson in that he's yesterday's man.
I still think Redknapp would have made a fine England manager though. (Providing the press couldn't nail him for anything.)
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posted on 3/3/17
Wait till the end of the season and see if we need
A premiership or championship manager 😀
posted on 3/3/17
I suspect with Shakespeare we may well have a situation where he either gets the job permanently or leaves anyway - partly to follow his own path to become a manager and partly because a new boss may be concerned about his good relationship with the players and suffering the same fate as Ranieri. (Whether a truthful representation or not, the concern itself could be a self-fulfilling prophecy.) So in the first part, as long as the performance against Hull is up to scratch, there hopefully shouldn't be any need to make an immediate change.
(All of this is on the premise that we stay up...) In the summer, there may be more avenues open to explore. Wagner from Huddersfield, for example, may be of interest if they make the playoffs but don't win them. Rowett could theoretically still be available, as could Hodgson come to that. Would Hiddink be interested? It seems ambitious but he hasn't ruled himself out. It might even be possible to go controversial and tempt someone like Dyche if people wanted to go down that path. Or we could stick with Craig Shakespeare if the owners are pleased with his running of the club and feel he suitably matches their ambitions. The furore over Ranieri will also have died down somewhat, meaning it would no longer look like the new manager was plunging another knife into a fresh corpse. Plus, the immediate job would no longer contain a guaranteed relegation battle through the first dozen games.
So I think there are a few viable options to explore depending on which direction the owners want to take. What we should note, however, is that they've shown a propensity for hiring and being linked with experienced managers who have been there and done it. Even Pearson had been there and done it in that league. So while I'd quite like to see what a Rowett or a Wagner could do, I suspect the owners will be looking for someone considered less fresh but less of a gamble.
posted on 3/3/17
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posted on 3/3/17
To be fair Cosmic, we sacked CR because we were on a one-way track to relegation rather than because we're ruthlessly ambitious.
posted on 3/3/17
Mancini in the summer
posted on 3/3/17
^ or someone else who might be interested at the end of the season. There will definitely be better options than Hodgson that's for sure.
posted on 3/3/17
Maybe Klopp will be available very soon
posted on 3/3/17
Shakespeare until the end of the season and, if we stay up, approach Eddie Howe in the close season. If we can't get him then try Hiddink or Wenger - or someone who isn't Roy Hodgson!
If we go down then big Nige! 3 years, one Premier League title, then back where we started.
It would be worth it just to see Nev go apoplectic when Stringer gets nobody to interview.
posted on 3/3/17
^ this.
Let's just try and stay up first. If our owners are really serious with their ambition, Eddie Howe is the manger we should get. At all cost.
Wagner, Rowett, German talent also worth reviewing.
If they're not available, get Hodgson or Pulis.
But we need to balance our excellent structure with a manager than can leverage the excellent foundations created by Pearson and cemented by Ranieri.
For me that isn't a journeyman manager.
We need continuation.
posted on 3/3/17
Eddie Howe is not going to come to Leicester. Not a chance
posted on 4/3/17
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Eddie Howe is not going to come to Leicester. Not a chance
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I don't know what to think about Howe, like he looks good but Bournemouth are in freefall again, just like the back end of last season.
I don't know if that's down to fitness or something to do with his management or what but they could easily get dragged into a proper dog fight here and could well be 16th just hovering above Hull who look more like getting results at the moment. I wouldn't bet against them going down.
posted on 4/3/17
Leicester need to be careful. What you don't want is a situation like Wolves in 2011-12 where they sacked Mick McCarthy and appointed his assistant, the hapless and completely untried Terry Connor, who drew four and lost ten of the games he had while in charge. The big difference between you and Wolves, of course, is that you have a squad of PL players - proven beyond any doubt! - while Wolves under McCarthy were full of Championship players and had failed to improve anywhere near adequately. Nevertheless, the managerial vacancy similarity would nag at me. Hope you get someone decent.
posted on 4/3/17
comment by aries22 (U1203)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
Leicester need to be careful. What you don't want is a situation like Wolves in 2011-12 where they sacked Mick McCarthy and appointed his assistant, the hapless and completely untried Terry Connor, who drew four and lost ten of the games he had while in charge. The big difference between you and Wolves, of course, is that you have a squad of PL players - proven beyond any doubt! - while Wolves under McCarthy were full of Championship players and had failed to improve anywhere near adequately. Nevertheless, the managerial vacancy similarity would nag at me. Hope you get someone decent.
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I understand exactly what you mean but in our case we're safer in our assistants hands than someone who doesn't know the players. Fortunately Shakey has been an integral part of this group for a long time now and he's never been a passenger. Steve Walsh (ex scout) said tactically he's very good. I worry far more about anyone potentially coming in. I'm open to it in the summer but not now.
You're doing well this season, good to see you've signed some more creative players and have starter playing football. It must be happy days at the Hawthorns right now. See I'll give credit when it's due 😉
ps I told you we'd qualify for Europe and Vardy and Drinky would play for England just jokes mate, I've chilled out now so it's just a bit of light banter 👍
posted on 4/3/17
Shakey until end of season then Silva from Hull. His record is great and he's done wonders with them already, plus I think he's only on a short term contract until end of the season
posted on 4/3/17
comment by Blackstarr (U12353)
posted 8 hours, 32 minutes ago
Eddie Howe is not going to come to Leicester. Not a chance
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Maybe not, but I'd rather try and fail with him and a number of other candidates before I'd settle for Hodgson.
posted on 4/3/17
I heard the Fiorentina Manager might be available soon and Ranieri is a possible replacement for him.
posted on 4/3/17
Howe might give us a go, depends if he's getting the right financial backing at Bournemouth, he might decide he's taken them as far as he can?
posted on 4/3/17
comment by True Blue (U9486)
posted 17 minutes ago
Howe might give us a go, depends if he's getting the right financial backing at Bournemouth, he might decide he's taken them as far as he can?
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He hasn't just yet but Bournemouth are in freefall and heading back to the Championship unless their form improves. Going on last season they could be in real trouble.
posted on 4/3/17
If we stay up and they go down there is a possibility of Howe. But I agree with one of the earlier comments about being a little less trigger happy on him, I think the course of the season for Bournemouth will show more of his mettle or not.
There is also the argument that he has gone as far as he can as a manager in terms of his own capabilities at this present moment.
If we want to stick to the same style/formation/type of personnel that we reverted to against Liverpool, we need a manager who will come in and go with this ethos and that is a delicate decision. If we approach a new manager who wants to instil new ideas (this would be easier to find), then we need to invest hugely again in key areas, continue to play the same formation and style and then look to adapt it with the provision of more quality/PL experienced players who are...well...more adaptable than ours (this part is tricker).
Either way, it is a difficult one, because we aren't in a position where our current strategy and ethos has failed, but rather where we have changed that in order to improve for the future, failed, and reverted back to something which (hopefully) appears to perhaps be able to work again. Building on success is harder than changing after failure....but we know that already...
posted on 4/3/17
I think we should just forget about evolving and continue to sign players who will suit this style but with more quality.
This works and while teams will know how we play and try to stop us, as long as we do our job to the letter we will be too much for a lot or teams. Atletico Madrid play in the counter and they do alright so why change something that ain't broke?
posted on 4/3/17
I think this is the safest approach for the foreseeable.
I also actively promote commentators saying we play counter attack from 'the back' as it can only aid this misperception.
Unfortunately, if we do continue to revert to our Liverpool-match tactics, I think the removal of and reversion to this strategy may have highlighted to opponents what it actually was that made us so successful and therefore may ring alarm bells for the opposition managers.
My only hope is that commentators like, during the Liverpool match, continue to say 'that's exactly what made them successfully last season' - just after we have hoofed a ball up to Vardy to flick on for Okazaki ...!
posted on 4/3/17
Just a little thought, thinking out of the box, how about offering a position of assistant manager to Cambiaso, assisting Shakespeare with the first team but responsible for the development squad then in a couple of years or so promotion to manager, bringing in the players he has schooled.
It was after all Cambiaso who came up with this system of play.
I know there are problems that will need to be overcome - but just a thought
I will put my Tin Hat on now
posted on 4/3/17
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posted on 5/3/17
If you wanted someone versed in the basics, Harry Redknapp played a nice version of your 4411 from 2009-11. He is a huge character who manages ego in others quite well, andnis hands-off on training (if Shakespeare was to stay)
Leftfield choice, but I would have him above Hodgson. Although it is not saying much
posted on 5/3/17
Well, we our views on Hodgson range from being underwhelmed to abject horror. I'm more toward the former than the latter buy he's hardly an exciting, inspiring choice.
A lot of Leicester fans have something against Redknapp for reasons that I can't quite put my finger on. It seems to go back to when he was being rumoured with a move here when we were in the Championship and the fans wanted to stick with Pearson. (Rightly, it proved.)
I've always been more of a fan myself, although with two major caveats: He is a bit "dodgy", and has a propensity to spend a club dry. The fear would be that the owners could back him too much and fill the squad with expensive rubbish. I think ultimately it probably boils down to the same thing as Hodgson in that he's yesterday's man.
I still think Redknapp would have made a fine England manager though. (Providing the press couldn't nail him for anything.)
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