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Torn.
Not into sacking but it appears he has no idea given todays selection.
I think it's very easy to criticise the team selection today and it just had the feeling to me of desperation to find something that works. It felt experimental, it felt like the kind of team you would send out if you were trying to compensate for an injury crisis with players out of position and some that have done little to justify a start.
i am pleased to see Iorfa back, don't have strong preferences between our centre backs, and don't think Williamson is particularly superior to the others. Saville to me is not worth a place anywhere in the team but to play him on the left of defence seems barmy. Don't know much about Marshall but doubt an attacking position is his best. Coady always seems like he ought to be a better player than we have seen from him but he has rarely been better than average.
Saiss and Cavaleiro need to get some chances in the remainder of the season but they will have to improve dramatically on what we have seen from them so far. Both only have a couple of good games to their credit at the moment and I suspect the future of Saiss may lie as a defender cause he doesn't look mobile enough in midfield. Costa, I think needs to be given licence to roam cause he is getting marked out of games played wide.
I would give a try to a new shape;
Ikeme
Saiss, Batth, Hause
Iorfa, Edwards, Price, Enobakhare, Doherty
Costa, Dicko or Bodvarsson
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Copying and pasting my comments from the match thread...
That first half was about as bad as any half of football I've ever seen.
A team of amateurs could have performed better, and certainly at a higher pace. Nobody looked like they wanted it and nobody was able to do the very basics right.
A completely different team showed up for about twenty minutes in the second half... And then disappeared again. I don't think we can have any complaints about losing. Reading weren't brilliant but the reality is that you can't make an effort for twenty minutes and expect to take home three points.
Saville showed nothing whatsoever. He was outpaced and out jumped to almost every ball. He should be dropped and never played again before being fu**ed off asap in the summer.
Dangerous Dave was truly dreadful first half and then picked up in the second.
Marshall didn't touch the ball during the first half, he looked good at points in the second but still looks well short of match fitness.
Williamson was very good and we should be gutted to lose him for next match, he never stopped marshalling the defence and made us look much more organised and he should play every game he's available. House was good alongside him.
Iorfa was good all match, chased balls down, defended well and showed some of the attacking ability that made him such a favourite. He should play next game.
I thought Costa looked disinterested for the most part. Played well in flashes but not reflective of what he's capable of.
Dicko was the patron Saint of lost causes - chasing down everything, working hard but getting almost no service. There was one telling moment where he flicked a header on nicely to the position he should have been in to tuck it away... And it totally highlighted our lack of attacking options.
I thought Saiss was good and I'd keep him in the squad.
Lambert was poor. The Saville - Doherty swap is an odd one. The change of the whole back line screams "I have no idea how to save us" and the substitutions were the icing on the cake - the first one was late at seventy minutes, the last one was literally pointless with seconds to go. It's deeply worrying that they should come out so lethargic when championship survival is on the line.
I feel instinctively like lambert has been improving us....but it's becoming harder and harder to make that case and, frankly, I would be pretty ambivalent if he were sacked. I didn't expect to see a team of world beaters, but why on earth are we hoofing it forward, under no pressure seconds after the kickoff? That set the tone for the game and we hoofed it to short Dicko and relatively short Weimann for much of the rest of the match - why?
I think there's a very good chance of us going down on the effort and ability shown today. I can't see where the next points are coming from. It's easy to say the ref gave them this and we were unlucky not to score that... But those are the same excuses I heard before we last went down.
I was very disappointed to see both Edwards and Saville start the game. I've been advocating a 3-5-2 system for a while now especially at home, where we should always have an advantage as most teams only play one up front. But for me it's getting someone who can put the chances away and right now we don't seem to have anyone with the confidence to do that.
I hope we can at least fend off relegation this season and give PL a chance to change things around in the summer. Players need to be shipped out as he still has far too many in his first team squad.
It's not the size of the squad that's preventing us losing though is it? We could ship people out... But we'd just have a smaller pool of inadequate players to pick from.
I suspect it's partly about recruitment, we've brought in a handful of players in the last six years who have actually made an impact. But I don't know why, and I don't really know what the problem is. On paper we don't have a bad squad, we have an experienced manager, we've spent quite a lot and brought in a lot of players most of us thought sounded decent. Why are they finding it so difficult to perform and get results?
I envy some of you your certainties, that if only Edwards didn't play, or Price did etc. I wish I had a clue what is going wrong!
comment by (U17339)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
It's not the size of the squad that's preventing us losing though is it? We could ship people out... But we'd just have a smaller pool of inadequate players to pick from.
I suspect it's partly about recruitment, we've brought in a handful of players in the last six years who have actually made an impact. But I don't know why, and I don't really know what the problem is. On paper we don't have a bad squad, we have an experienced manager, we've spent quite a lot and brought in a lot of players most of us thought sounded decent. Why are they finding it so difficult to perform and get results?
I envy some of you your certainties, that if only Edwards didn't play, or Price did etc. I wish I had a clue what is going wrong!
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Having a big squad should be an advantage - having an embarrassment of riches.
It's easy to knock managers by saying what they should have done, and easier after the event.
I don't predict the team because its totally pointless. I wait to see what it is, and support them, as I have done for many years.
Yes, we can anally analyse after the event, but there's little point in just apportioning blame.
comment by Not Normally An Anomaly (U16473)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by (U17339)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
It's not the size of the squad that's preventing us losing though is it? We could ship people out... But we'd just have a smaller pool of inadequate players to pick from.
I suspect it's partly about recruitment, we've brought in a handful of players in the last six years who have actually made an impact. But I don't know why, and I don't really know what the problem is. On paper we don't have a bad squad, we have an experienced manager, we've spent quite a lot and brought in a lot of players most of us thought sounded decent. Why are they finding it so difficult to perform and get results?
I envy some of you your certainties, that if only Edwards didn't play, or Price did etc. I wish I had a clue what is going wrong!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having a big squad should be an advantage - having an embarrassment of riches.
It's easy to knock managers by saying what they should have done, and easier after the event.
I don't predict the team because its totally pointless. I wait to see what it is, and support them, as I have done for many years.
Yes, we can anally analyse after the event, but there's little point in just apportioning blame.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bute it was not my intention with thread to apportion blame and as you well know I am not one of the posters on here that slags off individual players.
The object of the thread was to find out what everyone thinks was the reason that we came away from Reading with no points. I am genuinely mystified as why this happened and cannot work out if it was down to one thing or a combination of things.
Sounds to me that despite some bizarre choices yesterday that we actually didn't deserve to get beat.
That said the substitutions were pee poor and also the last few games have shown the foolishness of not keeping hold of Oniangue and texeira who could have given us good options off the bench, Tex in particular in the final third.
comment by wolfieintheSunshineState (U16306)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
It's quite obvious now that Fosun listened to that money grabbing Mendes. I don't think any manager would have been able to cope with so many new players coming in within such a short space of tie. Both Solbakken and more importantly Zenga should have been given more time imo.
SS had to deal with players who couldn't understand his methods and Zenga had no pre season time to get a settled side.
I agree that 3 or 4 better players each season should have been the way to go.
If Fosun do pull the plug, they alone should shoulder the blame for what they have done to our club.
_________________________________
Not sure why it's relevant to harp on about long gone managers. Especially from one who has criticised others for doing so in the past. Double standards I suppose.
We are where we are, and we have several games coming up where we can make up ground. I wouldn't be surprised to see us get 6 points from the next 2 games.
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Having listened to the game we didn't sound to be out of it at all (although they are usually biased)
Lambo will certainly have his work cut out, if we are to get out of this mess !
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posted on 4/3/17
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posted on 4/3/17
Torn.
Not into sacking but it appears he has no idea given todays selection.
posted on 5/3/17
I think it's very easy to criticise the team selection today and it just had the feeling to me of desperation to find something that works. It felt experimental, it felt like the kind of team you would send out if you were trying to compensate for an injury crisis with players out of position and some that have done little to justify a start.
i am pleased to see Iorfa back, don't have strong preferences between our centre backs, and don't think Williamson is particularly superior to the others. Saville to me is not worth a place anywhere in the team but to play him on the left of defence seems barmy. Don't know much about Marshall but doubt an attacking position is his best. Coady always seems like he ought to be a better player than we have seen from him but he has rarely been better than average.
Saiss and Cavaleiro need to get some chances in the remainder of the season but they will have to improve dramatically on what we have seen from them so far. Both only have a couple of good games to their credit at the moment and I suspect the future of Saiss may lie as a defender cause he doesn't look mobile enough in midfield. Costa, I think needs to be given licence to roam cause he is getting marked out of games played wide.
I would give a try to a new shape;
Ikeme
Saiss, Batth, Hause
Iorfa, Edwards, Price, Enobakhare, Doherty
Costa, Dicko or Bodvarsson
posted on 5/3/17
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posted on 5/3/17
Copying and pasting my comments from the match thread...
That first half was about as bad as any half of football I've ever seen.
A team of amateurs could have performed better, and certainly at a higher pace. Nobody looked like they wanted it and nobody was able to do the very basics right.
A completely different team showed up for about twenty minutes in the second half... And then disappeared again. I don't think we can have any complaints about losing. Reading weren't brilliant but the reality is that you can't make an effort for twenty minutes and expect to take home three points.
Saville showed nothing whatsoever. He was outpaced and out jumped to almost every ball. He should be dropped and never played again before being fu**ed off asap in the summer.
Dangerous Dave was truly dreadful first half and then picked up in the second.
Marshall didn't touch the ball during the first half, he looked good at points in the second but still looks well short of match fitness.
Williamson was very good and we should be gutted to lose him for next match, he never stopped marshalling the defence and made us look much more organised and he should play every game he's available. House was good alongside him.
Iorfa was good all match, chased balls down, defended well and showed some of the attacking ability that made him such a favourite. He should play next game.
I thought Costa looked disinterested for the most part. Played well in flashes but not reflective of what he's capable of.
Dicko was the patron Saint of lost causes - chasing down everything, working hard but getting almost no service. There was one telling moment where he flicked a header on nicely to the position he should have been in to tuck it away... And it totally highlighted our lack of attacking options.
I thought Saiss was good and I'd keep him in the squad.
Lambert was poor. The Saville - Doherty swap is an odd one. The change of the whole back line screams "I have no idea how to save us" and the substitutions were the icing on the cake - the first one was late at seventy minutes, the last one was literally pointless with seconds to go. It's deeply worrying that they should come out so lethargic when championship survival is on the line.
I feel instinctively like lambert has been improving us....but it's becoming harder and harder to make that case and, frankly, I would be pretty ambivalent if he were sacked. I didn't expect to see a team of world beaters, but why on earth are we hoofing it forward, under no pressure seconds after the kickoff? That set the tone for the game and we hoofed it to short Dicko and relatively short Weimann for much of the rest of the match - why?
I think there's a very good chance of us going down on the effort and ability shown today. I can't see where the next points are coming from. It's easy to say the ref gave them this and we were unlucky not to score that... But those are the same excuses I heard before we last went down.
posted on 5/3/17
I was very disappointed to see both Edwards and Saville start the game. I've been advocating a 3-5-2 system for a while now especially at home, where we should always have an advantage as most teams only play one up front. But for me it's getting someone who can put the chances away and right now we don't seem to have anyone with the confidence to do that.
I hope we can at least fend off relegation this season and give PL a chance to change things around in the summer. Players need to be shipped out as he still has far too many in his first team squad.
posted on 5/3/17
It's not the size of the squad that's preventing us losing though is it? We could ship people out... But we'd just have a smaller pool of inadequate players to pick from.
I suspect it's partly about recruitment, we've brought in a handful of players in the last six years who have actually made an impact. But I don't know why, and I don't really know what the problem is. On paper we don't have a bad squad, we have an experienced manager, we've spent quite a lot and brought in a lot of players most of us thought sounded decent. Why are they finding it so difficult to perform and get results?
I envy some of you your certainties, that if only Edwards didn't play, or Price did etc. I wish I had a clue what is going wrong!
posted on 5/3/17
comment by (U17339)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
It's not the size of the squad that's preventing us losing though is it? We could ship people out... But we'd just have a smaller pool of inadequate players to pick from.
I suspect it's partly about recruitment, we've brought in a handful of players in the last six years who have actually made an impact. But I don't know why, and I don't really know what the problem is. On paper we don't have a bad squad, we have an experienced manager, we've spent quite a lot and brought in a lot of players most of us thought sounded decent. Why are they finding it so difficult to perform and get results?
I envy some of you your certainties, that if only Edwards didn't play, or Price did etc. I wish I had a clue what is going wrong!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having a big squad should be an advantage - having an embarrassment of riches.
It's easy to knock managers by saying what they should have done, and easier after the event.
I don't predict the team because its totally pointless. I wait to see what it is, and support them, as I have done for many years.
Yes, we can anally analyse after the event, but there's little point in just apportioning blame.
posted on 5/3/17
comment by Not Normally An Anomaly (U16473)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by (U17339)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
It's not the size of the squad that's preventing us losing though is it? We could ship people out... But we'd just have a smaller pool of inadequate players to pick from.
I suspect it's partly about recruitment, we've brought in a handful of players in the last six years who have actually made an impact. But I don't know why, and I don't really know what the problem is. On paper we don't have a bad squad, we have an experienced manager, we've spent quite a lot and brought in a lot of players most of us thought sounded decent. Why are they finding it so difficult to perform and get results?
I envy some of you your certainties, that if only Edwards didn't play, or Price did etc. I wish I had a clue what is going wrong!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having a big squad should be an advantage - having an embarrassment of riches.
It's easy to knock managers by saying what they should have done, and easier after the event.
I don't predict the team because its totally pointless. I wait to see what it is, and support them, as I have done for many years.
Yes, we can anally analyse after the event, but there's little point in just apportioning blame.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bute it was not my intention with thread to apportion blame and as you well know I am not one of the posters on here that slags off individual players.
The object of the thread was to find out what everyone thinks was the reason that we came away from Reading with no points. I am genuinely mystified as why this happened and cannot work out if it was down to one thing or a combination of things.
posted on 5/3/17
Sounds to me that despite some bizarre choices yesterday that we actually didn't deserve to get beat.
That said the substitutions were pee poor and also the last few games have shown the foolishness of not keeping hold of Oniangue and texeira who could have given us good options off the bench, Tex in particular in the final third.
posted on 5/3/17
comment by wolfieintheSunshineState (U16306)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
It's quite obvious now that Fosun listened to that money grabbing Mendes. I don't think any manager would have been able to cope with so many new players coming in within such a short space of tie. Both Solbakken and more importantly Zenga should have been given more time imo.
SS had to deal with players who couldn't understand his methods and Zenga had no pre season time to get a settled side.
I agree that 3 or 4 better players each season should have been the way to go.
If Fosun do pull the plug, they alone should shoulder the blame for what they have done to our club.
_________________________________
Not sure why it's relevant to harp on about long gone managers. Especially from one who has criticised others for doing so in the past. Double standards I suppose.
We are where we are, and we have several games coming up where we can make up ground. I wouldn't be surprised to see us get 6 points from the next 2 games.
posted on 5/3/17
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posted on 6/3/17
Having listened to the game we didn't sound to be out of it at all (although they are usually biased)
Lambo will certainly have his work cut out, if we are to get out of this mess !
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