Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if Moyes was ever the right man for the job.
Nevertheless, the odds were stacked heavily against him from the get go.
If RvP hadn't had the season of his life then there's absolutely no way that side would've won the title.
Anyone could see that Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs and Rooney were done, that Carrick was declining and that there were too many bang average players in the squad.
Mourinho knows who he wants to sign and how he wants to play. 4 of that squad are his,2 successes and 2 must improve. The rest are a mix of injured,ageing,slow players either coming to the end of their time at the club or in the case of Shaw just not fancied.
Why that decries we need a director of football I don't know. Lauding City for being an established footballing entity for getting knocked out of cl in last 16 and being 5 points clear havingplayed a game more. You must have forgotten some of their signings,those on loan still being paid virtually entirely by City.
Give the manager a chance ffs,last 8 of europa and not quite a dead duck for cl places is hardly reason to sign Michael Emanalo is it?
Moyes was the perfect sacrificial lamb.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if Moyes was ever the right man for the job.
Nevertheless, the odds were stacked heavily against him from the get go.
--
This. He never got the financial support LVG and Jose got. Whether he was up to the job is a different matter, but it was an odd appointment to say the least.
Goes back to the point of this article. For the smart people that get it 😂
After Moyes LVG was brought in with a blank chequebook. He brought in loads of players who don't suit the current manager. For the sake of our club we better hope Jose gets it right because imo he'll have spent £300 million by his third season. If they are unsuitable it gets to the point that something has to give.
A good manager can mould a team, with few signings. Jose has bought a few, at great expense and we do look a bit better, but not massively so. Look at conte.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 51 seconds ago
A good manager can mould a team, with few signings. Jose has bought a few, at great expense and we do look a bit better, but not massively so. Look at conte.
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To be fair, Conte inherited a far better and more settled squad than LVG or Jose did.
Rob,
Please stop using the words ironic & ironically. You keep misusing them and in a comment where you say MY post was stupid, you come off as a colossal dimwit.
comment by 4 (U19487)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rob,
Please stop using the words ironic & ironically. You keep misusing them and in a comment where you say MY post was stupid, you come off as a colossal dimwit.
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Hardly my fault you don't get irony
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by 4 (U19487)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rob,
Please stop using the words ironic & ironically. You keep misusing them and in a comment where you say MY post was stupid, you come off as a colossal dimwit.
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Hardly my fault you don't get irony
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If the joke in that is intentional, well done there.
But I don't actually think you meant it
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if Moyes was ever the right man for the job.
Nevertheless, the odds were stacked heavily against him from the get go.
If RvP hadn't had the season of his life then there's absolutely no way that side would've won the title.
Anyone could see that Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs and Rooney were done, that Carrick was declining and that there were too many bang average players in the squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree with all of this tbh...
Moyes was CLEARLY the wrong man for the job, he didn't have anything like the credentials or mentality to take on a club the size of United.
The odds were stacked very much in his favour, his remit was to finish 4th, that hadn't been the remit of a United manager...ever from what I can tell, certainly never in my lifetime the bar set so low for a United manager and team and he couldn't even rise to that.
That side, minus RvP, lost the title the season before by eight goals. A once in a generation Manchester Derby scoreline and throwing away an eight point lead with six games to go cost us the league. I believe losing the title from that position was unprecedented in the PL.
Also, City, the only realistic challengers in 2013 sold De Jong and brought Garcia, sold Johnson and brought Sinclair, sold Savic and brought Nastasic etc, basically, their best team ever won the title on the final day and then they didn't strengthen.
United could, and probably would have won the title in 2013 without RvP, not by 11 points, but we still could have won it.
The summer SAF retired we needed Baines/Vidal/Sanchez.
All would have been available.
Instead Moyes bought a 6foot5 bog brush who "could run" according to Moyes listing his best traits.
Would have been interesting if we'd gotten Herrera and Coentrao on the last day.
United could, and probably would have won the title in 2013 without RvP, not by 11 points, but we still could have won it.
-
Not a chance
An interesting question is would have SAF won the title in 2013/2014?
City and Liverpool both scored 100+ goals. Toure and Suarez were on fire.
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 minutes ago
United could, and probably would have won the title in 2013 without RvP, not by 11 points, but we still could have won it.
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Not a chance
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So who would have won it then?
Like I said, the same team minus RvP should have won it the year before but got complacent during the run-in, plus, City, Chelsea, and Arsenal were awful in 2012/13, relatively speaking.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
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It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
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It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
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Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
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It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
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Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
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They rebelled against Jose because of the Eva thing.
And Joses brand of football is different to LVGs. Surely you can see the difference. Everyone else does.
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments 👍
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
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He's got a point, Robb.
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
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posted on 3/4/17
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if Moyes was ever the right man for the job.
Nevertheless, the odds were stacked heavily against him from the get go.
If RvP hadn't had the season of his life then there's absolutely no way that side would've won the title.
Anyone could see that Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs and Rooney were done, that Carrick was declining and that there were too many bang average players in the squad.
posted on 3/4/17
Mourinho knows who he wants to sign and how he wants to play. 4 of that squad are his,2 successes and 2 must improve. The rest are a mix of injured,ageing,slow players either coming to the end of their time at the club or in the case of Shaw just not fancied.
Why that decries we need a director of football I don't know. Lauding City for being an established footballing entity for getting knocked out of cl in last 16 and being 5 points clear havingplayed a game more. You must have forgotten some of their signings,those on loan still being paid virtually entirely by City.
Give the manager a chance ffs,last 8 of europa and not quite a dead duck for cl places is hardly reason to sign Michael Emanalo is it?
posted on 3/4/17
Moyes was the perfect sacrificial lamb.
posted on 3/4/17
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if Moyes was ever the right man for the job.
Nevertheless, the odds were stacked heavily against him from the get go.
--
This. He never got the financial support LVG and Jose got. Whether he was up to the job is a different matter, but it was an odd appointment to say the least.
posted on 3/4/17
Goes back to the point of this article. For the smart people that get it 😂
After Moyes LVG was brought in with a blank chequebook. He brought in loads of players who don't suit the current manager. For the sake of our club we better hope Jose gets it right because imo he'll have spent £300 million by his third season. If they are unsuitable it gets to the point that something has to give.
posted on 3/4/17
A good manager can mould a team, with few signings. Jose has bought a few, at great expense and we do look a bit better, but not massively so. Look at conte.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 51 seconds ago
A good manager can mould a team, with few signings. Jose has bought a few, at great expense and we do look a bit better, but not massively so. Look at conte.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, Conte inherited a far better and more settled squad than LVG or Jose did.
posted on 3/4/17
Rob,
Please stop using the words ironic & ironically. You keep misusing them and in a comment where you say MY post was stupid, you come off as a colossal dimwit.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by 4 (U19487)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rob,
Please stop using the words ironic & ironically. You keep misusing them and in a comment where you say MY post was stupid, you come off as a colossal dimwit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly my fault you don't get irony
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by 4 (U19487)
posted 7 minutes ago
Rob,
Please stop using the words ironic & ironically. You keep misusing them and in a comment where you say MY post was stupid, you come off as a colossal dimwit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly my fault you don't get irony
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the joke in that is intentional, well done there.
But I don't actually think you meant it
posted on 3/4/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure if Moyes was ever the right man for the job.
Nevertheless, the odds were stacked heavily against him from the get go.
If RvP hadn't had the season of his life then there's absolutely no way that side would've won the title.
Anyone could see that Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs and Rooney were done, that Carrick was declining and that there were too many bang average players in the squad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Disagree with all of this tbh...
Moyes was CLEARLY the wrong man for the job, he didn't have anything like the credentials or mentality to take on a club the size of United.
The odds were stacked very much in his favour, his remit was to finish 4th, that hadn't been the remit of a United manager...ever from what I can tell, certainly never in my lifetime the bar set so low for a United manager and team and he couldn't even rise to that.
That side, minus RvP, lost the title the season before by eight goals. A once in a generation Manchester Derby scoreline and throwing away an eight point lead with six games to go cost us the league. I believe losing the title from that position was unprecedented in the PL.
Also, City, the only realistic challengers in 2013 sold De Jong and brought Garcia, sold Johnson and brought Sinclair, sold Savic and brought Nastasic etc, basically, their best team ever won the title on the final day and then they didn't strengthen.
United could, and probably would have won the title in 2013 without RvP, not by 11 points, but we still could have won it.
posted on 3/4/17
The summer SAF retired we needed Baines/Vidal/Sanchez.
All would have been available.
Instead Moyes bought a 6foot5 bog brush who "could run" according to Moyes listing his best traits.
posted on 3/4/17
Would have been interesting if we'd gotten Herrera and Coentrao on the last day.
posted on 3/4/17
United could, and probably would have won the title in 2013 without RvP, not by 11 points, but we still could have won it.
-
Not a chance
posted on 3/4/17
An interesting question is would have SAF won the title in 2013/2014?
City and Liverpool both scored 100+ goals. Toure and Suarez were on fire.
posted on 3/4/17
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 8 minutes ago
United could, and probably would have won the title in 2013 without RvP, not by 11 points, but we still could have won it.
-
Not a chance
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So who would have won it then?
Like I said, the same team minus RvP should have won it the year before but got complacent during the run-in, plus, City, Chelsea, and Arsenal were awful in 2012/13, relatively speaking.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
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It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
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They rebelled against Jose because of the Eva thing.
And Joses brand of football is different to LVGs. Surely you can see the difference. Everyone else does.
posted on 3/4/17
Elvis, you don't have to derail good debates just because you think the bogeyman is around every corner.
Unlike some I don't delete comments 👍
posted on 3/4/17
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Robb Chappelle (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 48 seconds ago
I have to say Robb, the post smacks of excusing Jose for our poor showing in the league. If he is such a great manager then he should be able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal, even if he needs to change some of them over time. Surely he should be able to adapt his tactics whilst he gets in the players that will suit him better? When you run through the squad, there aren't that many players that you can say have had a good/great season and quite a few have regressed - especially the younger ones. I hope that we see the usual improvement in Jose's second season, but the growing confidence I had December/January time is starting to wane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not really about Jose or LVG at all. I know it says it in the op but it's more about purchases for managers that become not so useful under the next guy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't stop conte. Or last years ranieri.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everyone knows by now that Pearson left behind the perfect conditions for Ranieri and that Shakespeare continued a lot of Pearson good work.
When Ranieri started trying to move away from that this season he came unstuck.
With Conte he took over a squad very much suited to his style. Counter attacking and who respond to a tough taskmaster.
---------------------------
Didn't the Chelsea players revolt under their previous tough task master. Wasn't LVG a tough task master? LVG's brand of football isn't that different to Jose's brand of football. Sorry Robb, but it just seems like another attempt to deflect blame away from Jose.
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He's got a point, Robb.
posted on 3/4/17
There is certainly a difference between LVG and Jose's football, but its not that big a difference. We were playing some nice football under Jose for a period and I was really enjoying being entertained again, but it didn't last for that long. At the moment the football is pretty low and turgid. Hopefully we get the fluidity back again, but at the moment its not great to watch.
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