Welbeck is better at chips
Welbeck shouldnt be starting for us after nearly 2 years out injured. He should be coming off the bench playing 20-30 Mins. Doubt we will see the best of him until next season unless he gets injured again.
A bit unfair to Welbeck. After his serious injury he needs to play to find rythm. Also we find it difficult to get our CF into the game no matter who is playing upfront against opponents who stand stable at the back.
Funny this as a little while ago everyone seemed to be saying that Giroud wasn't good enough and that Welbeck should take his place
The only thing he has over Giroud is pace. Giroud is better than Welbeck in all other areas.
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I know its been difficult to understand for people but a system that relies on fluidity that is vital. Much more important than even scoring because it creates space and opportunities for others. It also tightens possession that allows you stay compact resulting in reduced counter attacks.
Now if you had said we need a better striker than Welbeck. That is a good point that I agree with. Obviously it looks like Alexis is leaving so Wenger has decided to play him wider. You only need to go back to the Liverpool game or the Watford game at home to see why you need a fast striker. Just go back to the Man City game where Pep is shown imploring his back line to push because they are hesitant to do so because of the threat of Welbeck or Walcott in behind.
I expected better fundamental understanding about the game from you Castor. Others not so much.
I understand that our set up requires a fast player. Sanchez proved this very clearly
However, with the options we have, Giroud is still the best and should be starting ahead of Welbeck regardless
The problem with Giroud up front is that it allows the opposition to push up because they are not sacred of Giroud's pace over the top. That means teams can out number us in midfield and cut out the short passing moves we play. It means that Ozil has an impossible job. I made the point when we signed Ozil that its just as important to sign a fast striker with him to really use his skill set. Maybe at that time Wenger thought of Theo for that role. Obviously the injury and lack of confidence put an end to Theo 'as striker' experiment.
Pep has the same problem and its no surprise to me that even Augero is not enough for him. And Augero is much faster than Giroud. Thats why Man City looked great with Jesus and are now stuttering again since his injury.
Just compare yesterday when we controlled possession and looked very good again compared to a similar team we played at home at home, Watford which we lost when Giroud started. Giroud is much better at finishing than Welbeck. But for that he needs to be in the box and we need to be controlling possession. That just doesn't happen when he starts because teams just push up and completely negate all our threat. Thats why Welbeck needs to starts and then when opposing teams are tired, unable to push up, Giroud can come on and do his thing.
forget about pace they both have the first touch of a three legged wonky donkey!!
Perez has a better first touch but unfortunately looks like a 60year old wino.
our players are distinctly average
I expected better fundamental understanding about the game from you Castor. Others not so much.
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At his best, welbeck is a better option as it suits the team. It allows us to play a more fluid game and press a bit better (although our pressing is still crap).
These run of games are just making him match sharp I think. We've got some tough fixtures coming up.
Welbeck is a very average player. But he's still a better option than Giroud.
Both are below par. One has pace and can't finish. The other is immobile and can somewhat finish.
Both are half players.
Could the Gunners possibly be "marketing" Wellbeck? Are there any takers out there?
We are now seeing why Man U were prepared to let him join a rival.
I've been saying for years that we need to sign a top/world class striker. Welbeck and Perez havent changed that. Sanchez might but wenger wont play hi there.
Both aren't good enough but for our system to work Welbeck is the better option. He'll struggle badly for consistency though, players who've had long injuries always do.
Welbeck just looks so clumsy and unnatural when in front of goal
comment by Darth Stan Kronke the Sith Lord turned Darthen Wenger to the dark side (U16927)
posted 54 minutes ago
We are now seeing why Man U were prepared to let him join a rival.
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Surely we all knew this from the start? He was a last minute panic buy.
Welbeck seems like a good guy and I want him to do well for us, but he was bang average at United and has always had a woeful scoring record. He has some good physical attributes and a great attitude but he's not a real footballer.
Oh but he's still better suited to how we try to play than Giroud.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Welbeck just looks so clumsy and unnatural when in front of goal
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The entire team look clumsy, clueless and unnatural with Giroud leading the line...
Neither are good enough. Giroud makes a bigger impact from the bench so best to keep him there and let Welbeck tire out defences first.
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Neither are good enough. Giroud makes a bigger impact from the bench so best to keep him there and let Welbeck tire out defences first.
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Exactly, close the thread
We have no real killers in front of goal if you know what i mean.
Chelsea - Costa
Spurs - Kane
City - Aguero
Liverpool - No real striker either.
United - Zlatan
Arsenal - Welbeck and Giroud lol.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
We have no real killers in front of goal if you know what i mean.
Chelsea - Costa
Spurs - Kane
City - Aguero
Liverpool - No real striker either.
United - Zlatan
Arsenal - Welbeck and Giroud lol.
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First team to score 100 goals this season.
Our problem is not in the striker department, our problem is midfield. Without Santi we are hopeless and Xhaka is a liability. Elneny seems alright but is usually left on the bench while Xhaka makes dodgy tackles.
Welbeck had two serious knee injuries back to back. Give him time. Giroud is not suited to this system so is not the answer. Arsenal fans are in a viscous circle. Giroud plays, then he gets slated for being crap, welbeck plays then Giroud all of a sudden is the answer.
Also Dirty Sanchez-youre wrong to call Xhaka a liability. He's shown more promise than Santi in the middle though not his consistency. Still a young player and a player with his style gets better with experience. He's still young.
Also Dirty Sanchez-youre wrong to call Xhaka a liability. He's shown more promise than Santi in the middle though not his consistency. Still a young player and a player with his style gets better with experience. He's still young.
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posted on 6/4/17
Welbeck is better at chips
posted on 6/4/17
Welbeck shouldnt be starting for us after nearly 2 years out injured. He should be coming off the bench playing 20-30 Mins. Doubt we will see the best of him until next season unless he gets injured again.
posted on 6/4/17
A bit unfair to Welbeck. After his serious injury he needs to play to find rythm. Also we find it difficult to get our CF into the game no matter who is playing upfront against opponents who stand stable at the back.
posted on 6/4/17
Funny this as a little while ago everyone seemed to be saying that Giroud wasn't good enough and that Welbeck should take his place
posted on 6/4/17
The only thing he has over Giroud is pace. Giroud is better than Welbeck in all other areas.
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I know its been difficult to understand for people but a system that relies on fluidity that is vital. Much more important than even scoring because it creates space and opportunities for others. It also tightens possession that allows you stay compact resulting in reduced counter attacks.
Now if you had said we need a better striker than Welbeck. That is a good point that I agree with. Obviously it looks like Alexis is leaving so Wenger has decided to play him wider. You only need to go back to the Liverpool game or the Watford game at home to see why you need a fast striker. Just go back to the Man City game where Pep is shown imploring his back line to push because they are hesitant to do so because of the threat of Welbeck or Walcott in behind.
I expected better fundamental understanding about the game from you Castor. Others not so much.
posted on 6/4/17
I understand that our set up requires a fast player. Sanchez proved this very clearly
However, with the options we have, Giroud is still the best and should be starting ahead of Welbeck regardless
posted on 6/4/17
The problem with Giroud up front is that it allows the opposition to push up because they are not sacred of Giroud's pace over the top. That means teams can out number us in midfield and cut out the short passing moves we play. It means that Ozil has an impossible job. I made the point when we signed Ozil that its just as important to sign a fast striker with him to really use his skill set. Maybe at that time Wenger thought of Theo for that role. Obviously the injury and lack of confidence put an end to Theo 'as striker' experiment.
Pep has the same problem and its no surprise to me that even Augero is not enough for him. And Augero is much faster than Giroud. Thats why Man City looked great with Jesus and are now stuttering again since his injury.
Just compare yesterday when we controlled possession and looked very good again compared to a similar team we played at home at home, Watford which we lost when Giroud started. Giroud is much better at finishing than Welbeck. But for that he needs to be in the box and we need to be controlling possession. That just doesn't happen when he starts because teams just push up and completely negate all our threat. Thats why Welbeck needs to starts and then when opposing teams are tired, unable to push up, Giroud can come on and do his thing.
posted on 6/4/17
forget about pace they both have the first touch of a three legged wonky donkey!!
Perez has a better first touch but unfortunately looks like a 60year old wino.
our players are distinctly average
posted on 6/4/17
I expected better fundamental understanding about the game from you Castor. Others not so much.
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😂😂😂
posted on 6/4/17
At his best, welbeck is a better option as it suits the team. It allows us to play a more fluid game and press a bit better (although our pressing is still crap).
These run of games are just making him match sharp I think. We've got some tough fixtures coming up.
posted on 6/4/17
Welbeck is a very average player. But he's still a better option than Giroud.
Both are below par. One has pace and can't finish. The other is immobile and can somewhat finish.
Both are half players.
posted on 6/4/17
Could the Gunners possibly be "marketing" Wellbeck? Are there any takers out there?
posted on 6/4/17
We are now seeing why Man U were prepared to let him join a rival.
I've been saying for years that we need to sign a top/world class striker. Welbeck and Perez havent changed that. Sanchez might but wenger wont play hi there.
posted on 6/4/17
Both aren't good enough but for our system to work Welbeck is the better option. He'll struggle badly for consistency though, players who've had long injuries always do.
posted on 6/4/17
Welbeck just looks so clumsy and unnatural when in front of goal
posted on 6/4/17
comment by Darth Stan Kronke the Sith Lord turned Darthen Wenger to the dark side (U16927)
posted 54 minutes ago
We are now seeing why Man U were prepared to let him join a rival.
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Surely we all knew this from the start? He was a last minute panic buy.
Welbeck seems like a good guy and I want him to do well for us, but he was bang average at United and has always had a woeful scoring record. He has some good physical attributes and a great attitude but he's not a real footballer.
posted on 6/4/17
Oh but he's still better suited to how we try to play than Giroud.
posted on 7/4/17
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
Welbeck just looks so clumsy and unnatural when in front of goal
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The entire team look clumsy, clueless and unnatural with Giroud leading the line...
posted on 7/4/17
Neither are good enough. Giroud makes a bigger impact from the bench so best to keep him there and let Welbeck tire out defences first.
posted on 7/4/17
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
Neither are good enough. Giroud makes a bigger impact from the bench so best to keep him there and let Welbeck tire out defences first.
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Exactly, close the thread
posted on 7/4/17
We have no real killers in front of goal if you know what i mean.
Chelsea - Costa
Spurs - Kane
City - Aguero
Liverpool - No real striker either.
United - Zlatan
Arsenal - Welbeck and Giroud lol.
posted on 7/4/17
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
We have no real killers in front of goal if you know what i mean.
Chelsea - Costa
Spurs - Kane
City - Aguero
Liverpool - No real striker either.
United - Zlatan
Arsenal - Welbeck and Giroud lol.
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First team to score 100 goals this season.
posted on 7/4/17
Our problem is not in the striker department, our problem is midfield. Without Santi we are hopeless and Xhaka is a liability. Elneny seems alright but is usually left on the bench while Xhaka makes dodgy tackles.
posted on 7/4/17
Welbeck had two serious knee injuries back to back. Give him time. Giroud is not suited to this system so is not the answer. Arsenal fans are in a viscous circle. Giroud plays, then he gets slated for being crap, welbeck plays then Giroud all of a sudden is the answer.
Also Dirty Sanchez-youre wrong to call Xhaka a liability. He's shown more promise than Santi in the middle though not his consistency. Still a young player and a player with his style gets better with experience. He's still young.
posted on 7/4/17
Also Dirty Sanchez-youre wrong to call Xhaka a liability. He's shown more promise than Santi in the middle though not his consistency. Still a young player and a player with his style gets better with experience. He's still young.
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Yes that's right - consistently poor to average and makes rash challenges.
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