We don't watch facking Klopp coaching either do we?
But we watch his facking team you don't we.
Yep and some of us don't try and pick Klopp up on every facking point like we know what we are talking about either.
Clutching at straws now pal, every point lol?
Clutching at straws
So far you have said the goalkeeping coach needs to go and all you have to go on is that keepers haven't improved (even though Mignolet has improved).
Have Begovic and Courtois improved at Chelsea? Has Cech improved at Arsenal? Has Bravo improved at City?
Hell of a lot of goalkeeping coaches going to be out of work in the summer by your minute definition of what a good goalkeeping coach is.
Do people not realise that football is not like nfl or rugby
Thetes no such thing as a defensive coach in football.
Utter rubbish.
Coaches habe to coach the f ull tactical gambit.
Klopp is able to develop players, so he doesn't need buckets of cash.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 15 hours, 27 minutes ago
The only reason Reina got worse was himself. His head wasn't right. He tried to get a move to Arsenal, after the club stopped progressing. The mistakes he made in his last two seasons, were nothing to do with a coach and frankly it's downright ridiculous to suggest they were.
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This.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
Goalkeepers defenders, keep coming in keeping struggling with the same things they never used to struggle with at previous clubs. Infact if/when they go out on loan they will do better because they have better coaches in their areas.
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Absolute BS. You want to know why they look better at the likes of Palace? Because these teams just set up to defend first, attack second. Of course they'll look better when they have 5 other teammates within 10m at all times to cover their errors. If you want to go back to playing Hodgson style football then Lovren would probably look amazing again too. But who wants that?
Biglaa (U5954)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
Goalkeepers defenders, keep coming in keeping struggling with the same things they never used to struggle with at previous clubs. Infact if/when they go out on loan they will do better because they have better coaches in their areas.
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Absolute BS. You want to know why they look better at the likes of Palace? Because these teams just set up to defend first, attack second. Of course they'll look better when they have 5 other teammates within 10m at all times to cover their errors. If you want to go back to playing Hodgson style football then Lovren would probably look amazing again too. But who wants that
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We need players who can adapt to the attacking system we use. Both Rodgers and Klopp play an attacking brand of football (thank feck!) and it leads to defensive mistakes.
Better players together with better game management is what is required.
I want to see some good defenders who add some physical presence to the team being signed. We are a short arrse team (the smallest in the league) and this doesn't help us defend set pieces and long balls.
Well exactly. Liverpool need the top quality defender that are going to be able to defend correctly under different and difficult circumstances.
Look at Real Madrid's defence for example. I'm not a huge fan of their defence myself and think a lot of players are overrated but still, the brand of football they play their defenders have to be good enough to deal with oppositions attacks and usually they are. Ok, we are talking about a superior team here, but nonetheless the principle remains the same.
Liverpool need to find 4 very good defenders that will be capable of doing their duties first, which is primarily defending. Matip for me is the only one who is good enough to do that in my opinion.
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
Do people not realise that football is not like nfl or rugby
Thetes no such thing as a defensive coach in football.
Utter rubbish.
Coaches habe to coach the f ull tactical gambit.
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This is massively true. Bigly.
The simple fact is we aren't in the top bracket when it comes to competing for players so it's only natural the players we get in are a bit of a lottery and it is more so with defenders. The reason for this has been mentioned, in the bracket we shop they are normally playing for weaker teams who more often than not will be more defensive in order to get results. Some can't adopt to be more open and naturally there will be more incidents on the counter where they will be isolated against pace.
As much as I agree with the above about there being a pool of players that Liverpool can sign from because of their current stature and position, there will always be someone who is better than others. There will be many CB's out there that Liverpool could attract that are better than Lovren I feel and maybe better than Matip as well that would do a better job.
You get players that are the best of a bad bunch that can play higher. I think the best example of that is Defoe, could play for some mid-table PL club. But this season is Liverpool's chance to get players from Germany, especially as many of the big teams are missing out on Europe. Teams like Leverkusen, Schalke, BMG and Mainz are missing out on European football. In terms of a defender there are many options. Tah from Leverkusen (even Toprak was available before moving on to Dortmund), Howedes from Schalke and if Klopp likes his younger players then Elvedi from BMG wouldn't be a bad option either. The simple fact is, there will always be a stand out player in an average team that can play higher. Van Djik might be another example to use.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
Clutching at straws
So far you have said the goalkeeping coach needs to go and all you have to go on is that keepers haven't improved (even though Mignolet has improved).
Have Begovic and Courtois improved at Chelsea? Has Cech improved at Arsenal? Has Bravo improved at City?
Hell of a lot of goalkeeping coaches going to be out of work in the summer by your minute definition of what a good goalkeeping coach is.
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yeah by insinuating i pick Klopp up on every point
comment by Biglaa (U5954)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
Goalkeepers defenders, keep coming in keeping struggling with the same things they never used to struggle with at previous clubs. Infact if/when they go out on loan they will do better because they have better coaches in their areas.
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Absolute BS. You want to know why they look better at the likes of Palace? Because these teams just set up to defend first, attack second. Of course they'll look better when they have 5 other teammates within 10m at all times to cover their errors. If you want to go back to playing Hodgson style football then Lovren would probably look amazing again too. But who wants that?
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Failed to say they look better defending set pieces etc too
I said a lot has to do with the system, but they also have coaches and managers that are more comfortable with coaching them how to defend properly.
Individual errors cost us a lot, and a lot comes from our system that when they occur we are not in a position where we have lots of cover. But the defending and taking of set pieces is facking woeful and has nothing to do with the system.
As for the GK coach we will have to disagree then, hes been here long enough i've not seen him help imrpove 1 gk. Mignolet hasn't even improved his kicking or commanding of area since hes been here. People think hes improved because hes not made any huge blunders recently, thats not improving that to be expected ffs . They think hes improved because hes made some vital saves? again you expect him to make those over a season and shot stopping is every keepers forte.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 25 minutes ago
Individual errors cost us a lot, and a lot comes from our system that when they occur we are not in a position where we have lots of cover. But the defending and taking of set pieces is facking woeful and has nothing to do with the system.
As for the GK coach we will have to disagree then, hes been here long enough i've not seen him help imrpove 1 gk. Mignolet hasn't even improved his kicking or commanding of area since hes been here. People think hes improved because hes not made any huge blunders recently, thats not improving that to be expected ffs. They think hes improved because hes made some vital saves? again you expect him to make those over a season and shot stopping is every keepers forte.
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Seriously???? Mig hasn't improved his distribution or command of his area? We must have been watching different games this season then. I'm not saying that is down to coaching, but to say it hasn't improved for whatever reason is simply not true. How you feel qualified to make these comments about coaching baffles me when you have approximately the same intimate knowledge of the coaching methods at different clubs as I do, i.e. zero. Your entire argument is based on assumptions, not a qualified fact in sight.
Never said it was fact always said it was my opinion. He hasn't improved at anything, all hes done is done what was expected of him finally from what i've seen. GK coaches are there to improve the GKs and help them work on attributes, its not only Mignolet hes failed to do it with is it?
His kicking has vastly improved.
When he joined the twiggetly ankled Mig could barely boot it over the half way line. Now he can get a bit more distance on it.
Imagine if we had a GK coach that could work on his positioning and command of his area maybe the defence would get some help at defending set pieces then.
I understand its not going to happen though, pretty sure he signed a new extension when Klopp did, feel sorry for Karius and any keeper the joins in the future though its all downhill from here for them.
He might get some help in for other areas though.
All we need to do is sign Big Sam as defensive coach.
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posted on 28/4/17
We don't watch facking Klopp coaching either do we?
posted on 28/4/17
But we watch his facking team you don't we.
posted on 28/4/17
Yep and some of us don't try and pick Klopp up on every facking point like we know what we are talking about either.
posted on 28/4/17
Clutching at straws now pal, every point lol?
posted on 29/4/17
Clutching at straws
So far you have said the goalkeeping coach needs to go and all you have to go on is that keepers haven't improved (even though Mignolet has improved).
Have Begovic and Courtois improved at Chelsea? Has Cech improved at Arsenal? Has Bravo improved at City?
Hell of a lot of goalkeeping coaches going to be out of work in the summer by your minute definition of what a good goalkeeping coach is.
posted on 29/4/17
Do people not realise that football is not like nfl or rugby
Thetes no such thing as a defensive coach in football.
Utter rubbish.
Coaches habe to coach the f ull tactical gambit.
posted on 29/4/17
Klopp is able to develop players, so he doesn't need buckets of cash.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 15 hours, 27 minutes ago
The only reason Reina got worse was himself. His head wasn't right. He tried to get a move to Arsenal, after the club stopped progressing. The mistakes he made in his last two seasons, were nothing to do with a coach and frankly it's downright ridiculous to suggest they were.
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This.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
Goalkeepers defenders, keep coming in keeping struggling with the same things they never used to struggle with at previous clubs. Infact if/when they go out on loan they will do better because they have better coaches in their areas.
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Absolute BS. You want to know why they look better at the likes of Palace? Because these teams just set up to defend first, attack second. Of course they'll look better when they have 5 other teammates within 10m at all times to cover their errors. If you want to go back to playing Hodgson style football then Lovren would probably look amazing again too. But who wants that?
posted on 29/4/17
Biglaa (U5954)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
Goalkeepers defenders, keep coming in keeping struggling with the same things they never used to struggle with at previous clubs. Infact if/when they go out on loan they will do better because they have better coaches in their areas.
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Absolute BS. You want to know why they look better at the likes of Palace? Because these teams just set up to defend first, attack second. Of course they'll look better when they have 5 other teammates within 10m at all times to cover their errors. If you want to go back to playing Hodgson style football then Lovren would probably look amazing again too. But who wants that
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This
We need players who can adapt to the attacking system we use. Both Rodgers and Klopp play an attacking brand of football (thank feck!) and it leads to defensive mistakes.
Better players together with better game management is what is required.
I want to see some good defenders who add some physical presence to the team being signed. We are a short arrse team (the smallest in the league) and this doesn't help us defend set pieces and long balls.
posted on 29/4/17
Well exactly. Liverpool need the top quality defender that are going to be able to defend correctly under different and difficult circumstances.
Look at Real Madrid's defence for example. I'm not a huge fan of their defence myself and think a lot of players are overrated but still, the brand of football they play their defenders have to be good enough to deal with oppositions attacks and usually they are. Ok, we are talking about a superior team here, but nonetheless the principle remains the same.
Liverpool need to find 4 very good defenders that will be capable of doing their duties first, which is primarily defending. Matip for me is the only one who is good enough to do that in my opinion.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
Do people not realise that football is not like nfl or rugby
Thetes no such thing as a defensive coach in football.
Utter rubbish.
Coaches habe to coach the f ull tactical gambit.
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This is massively true. Bigly.
posted on 29/4/17
The simple fact is we aren't in the top bracket when it comes to competing for players so it's only natural the players we get in are a bit of a lottery and it is more so with defenders. The reason for this has been mentioned, in the bracket we shop they are normally playing for weaker teams who more often than not will be more defensive in order to get results. Some can't adopt to be more open and naturally there will be more incidents on the counter where they will be isolated against pace.
posted on 29/4/17
As much as I agree with the above about there being a pool of players that Liverpool can sign from because of their current stature and position, there will always be someone who is better than others. There will be many CB's out there that Liverpool could attract that are better than Lovren I feel and maybe better than Matip as well that would do a better job.
You get players that are the best of a bad bunch that can play higher. I think the best example of that is Defoe, could play for some mid-table PL club. But this season is Liverpool's chance to get players from Germany, especially as many of the big teams are missing out on Europe. Teams like Leverkusen, Schalke, BMG and Mainz are missing out on European football. In terms of a defender there are many options. Tah from Leverkusen (even Toprak was available before moving on to Dortmund), Howedes from Schalke and if Klopp likes his younger players then Elvedi from BMG wouldn't be a bad option either. The simple fact is, there will always be a stand out player in an average team that can play higher. Van Djik might be another example to use.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 4 hours, 32 minutes ago
Clutching at straws
So far you have said the goalkeeping coach needs to go and all you have to go on is that keepers haven't improved (even though Mignolet has improved).
Have Begovic and Courtois improved at Chelsea? Has Cech improved at Arsenal? Has Bravo improved at City?
Hell of a lot of goalkeeping coaches going to be out of work in the summer by your minute definition of what a good goalkeeping coach is.
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yeah by insinuating i pick Klopp up on every point
posted on 29/4/17
comment by Biglaa (U5954)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 15 hours, 26 minutes ago
Goalkeepers defenders, keep coming in keeping struggling with the same things they never used to struggle with at previous clubs. Infact if/when they go out on loan they will do better because they have better coaches in their areas.
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Absolute BS. You want to know why they look better at the likes of Palace? Because these teams just set up to defend first, attack second. Of course they'll look better when they have 5 other teammates within 10m at all times to cover their errors. If you want to go back to playing Hodgson style football then Lovren would probably look amazing again too. But who wants that?
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Failed to say they look better defending set pieces etc too
posted on 29/4/17
I said a lot has to do with the system, but they also have coaches and managers that are more comfortable with coaching them how to defend properly.
posted on 29/4/17
Individual errors cost us a lot, and a lot comes from our system that when they occur we are not in a position where we have lots of cover. But the defending and taking of set pieces is facking woeful and has nothing to do with the system.
As for the GK coach we will have to disagree then, hes been here long enough i've not seen him help imrpove 1 gk. Mignolet hasn't even improved his kicking or commanding of area since hes been here. People think hes improved because hes not made any huge blunders recently, thats not improving that to be expected ffs . They think hes improved because hes made some vital saves? again you expect him to make those over a season and shot stopping is every keepers forte.
posted on 29/4/17
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 25 minutes ago
Individual errors cost us a lot, and a lot comes from our system that when they occur we are not in a position where we have lots of cover. But the defending and taking of set pieces is facking woeful and has nothing to do with the system.
As for the GK coach we will have to disagree then, hes been here long enough i've not seen him help imrpove 1 gk. Mignolet hasn't even improved his kicking or commanding of area since hes been here. People think hes improved because hes not made any huge blunders recently, thats not improving that to be expected ffs. They think hes improved because hes made some vital saves? again you expect him to make those over a season and shot stopping is every keepers forte.
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Seriously???? Mig hasn't improved his distribution or command of his area? We must have been watching different games this season then. I'm not saying that is down to coaching, but to say it hasn't improved for whatever reason is simply not true. How you feel qualified to make these comments about coaching baffles me when you have approximately the same intimate knowledge of the coaching methods at different clubs as I do, i.e. zero. Your entire argument is based on assumptions, not a qualified fact in sight.
posted on 29/4/17
Never said it was fact always said it was my opinion. He hasn't improved at anything, all hes done is done what was expected of him finally from what i've seen. GK coaches are there to improve the GKs and help them work on attributes, its not only Mignolet hes failed to do it with is it?
posted on 29/4/17
His kicking has vastly improved.
When he joined the twiggetly ankled Mig could barely boot it over the half way line. Now he can get a bit more distance on it.
posted on 29/4/17
Imagine if we had a GK coach that could work on his positioning and command of his area maybe the defence would get some help at defending set pieces then.
posted on 29/4/17
I understand its not going to happen though, pretty sure he signed a new extension when Klopp did, feel sorry for Karius and any keeper the joins in the future though its all downhill from here for them.
He might get some help in for other areas though.
posted on 30/4/17
All we need to do is sign Big Sam as defensive coach.
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