He's turning this game on it's head...
he got dropped twice.. but well batted
Liver,
Any team would love to have a player like Stokes.. I understand that it's kinda hard to get through your thick skull
Until he produces more then one batting performance in 10.. I will think more of him. He was good today.. But should have been out early on.
Stokes is a good batsmen and a good fielder but I've always questioned his bowling. Sometimes he can have good moments with the ball but that happens 25% of the time, the other 75% of the time he doesn't really do enough with the ball in my opinion.
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Well...I bet he's glad he ain't playing today now
England were poor today, but some class bowling from saffers first up
That's our speciality....winning dead rubbers
He is a match winner. Forget stats.
Name a better all Rounder then Ben Stokes in world cricket?
Stokes is the real deal, can bowl at 90mph, takses amazing catches and can score 100s with ease.
His test stats for batting are still poorish due to his early career form and especially the time down under when he was trying to dial home one digit at a time in each innings. Think hes got about 4-6 scores under ten.
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posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
Name a better all Rounder then Ben Stokes in world cricket?
Stokes is the real deal, can bowl at 90mph, takses amazing catches and can score 100s with ease.
His test stats for batting are still poorish due to his early career form and especially the time down under when he was trying to dial home one digit at a time in each innings. Think hes got about 4-6 scores under ten.
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He can scores 100s with ease? Slight exaggeration considering he's played 55 Odis and scored just the 2, the latter being recent. I do agree though, best all rounder about currently.
His bowling seems to be going backwards mainly due to recurring injuries. Might have to make a career choice soon whether he is an all rounder or a batsman. Telling that England always pick an extra bowler in the odi team when stokes plays.
Stokes is a bit overrated and a bit overhyped to be fair.
Not his fault he went for so much in the IPL though, he can't control that and I think a lot of it stems from that.
All rounders are in general highly sought after though nowadays, and he is one of the better ones out there.
Still a hell of a lot of room for improvement though.
There are more bona fide all rounders in the game than ever these days...& top quality too
Let's see what the ICC brings
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I really can't name any other better all rounder than Stokes? Maybe Matthews but hes hit and miss.
Aus/SA/NZ dont really have anyone.
I think the term has changed somewhat....you get batting fielder all rounders... batter keeper all rounders the amount of players who are so good at more than one discipline now has gone up tenfold ...
You could call Root an all rounder in principle including some very good slip catching and part time spin
Shahid Afridi was a quality allrounder in his prime. Abdul Razzaq was also pretty decent, In terms of current allrounders I can't really think of anyone that is amazing.
How has Ben been doing since this thread started?
Stokes has a higher batting average than Flintoff in every form of the game. He also has as many 100s in ODIs (3) and nearly as many 100s in Tests and First Class cricket (4 and 12 against 5 and 18), despite only being 26 years old.
He also has more five-wicket hauls in Tests and First Class cricket, although his bowling average is marginally worse in Tests and significantly worse in ODIs.
I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that Flintoff was a better bowler than Stokes, but then he was a bowling all-rounder who batted at 6 because of a lack of alternatives, whereas Stokes is a batting all-rounder who bowls well as a 3rd or 4th seamer.
Point is, looking at the stats Stokes is going to comfortably outshine Flintoff, and I don't think anyone would claim that Flintoff wasn't a quality all-rounder, one of the best in the world at the time (Jacques Kallis was clearly better, but then Kallis has a good claim on best all-rounder of all time).
Stokes is class and is only improving all the time
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posted on 27/5/17
He's turning this game on it's head...
posted on 27/5/17
he got dropped twice.. but well batted
posted on 27/5/17
Liver,
Any team would love to have a player like Stokes.. I understand that it's kinda hard to get through your thick skull
posted on 27/5/17
Until he produces more then one batting performance in 10.. I will think more of him. He was good today.. But should have been out early on.
posted on 28/5/17
Stokes is a good batsmen and a good fielder but I've always questioned his bowling. Sometimes he can have good moments with the ball but that happens 25% of the time, the other 75% of the time he doesn't really do enough with the ball in my opinion.
posted on 28/5/17
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posted on 29/5/17
Well...I bet he's glad he ain't playing today now
posted on 29/5/17
England were poor today, but some class bowling from saffers first up
posted on 29/5/17
That's our speciality....winning dead rubbers
posted on 29/5/17
He is a match winner. Forget stats.
posted on 30/5/17
Name a better all Rounder then Ben Stokes in world cricket?
Stokes is the real deal, can bowl at 90mph, takses amazing catches and can score 100s with ease.
His test stats for batting are still poorish due to his early career form and especially the time down under when he was trying to dial home one digit at a time in each innings. Think hes got about 4-6 scores under ten.
posted on 30/5/17
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 4 hours, 11 minutes ago
Name a better all Rounder then Ben Stokes in world cricket?
Stokes is the real deal, can bowl at 90mph, takses amazing catches and can score 100s with ease.
His test stats for batting are still poorish due to his early career form and especially the time down under when he was trying to dial home one digit at a time in each innings. Think hes got about 4-6 scores under ten.
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He can scores 100s with ease? Slight exaggeration considering he's played 55 Odis and scored just the 2, the latter being recent. I do agree though, best all rounder about currently.
posted on 30/5/17
His bowling seems to be going backwards mainly due to recurring injuries. Might have to make a career choice soon whether he is an all rounder or a batsman. Telling that England always pick an extra bowler in the odi team when stokes plays.
posted on 30/5/17
Stokes is a bit overrated and a bit overhyped to be fair.
Not his fault he went for so much in the IPL though, he can't control that and I think a lot of it stems from that.
All rounders are in general highly sought after though nowadays, and he is one of the better ones out there.
Still a hell of a lot of room for improvement though.
posted on 31/5/17
There are more bona fide all rounders in the game than ever these days...& top quality too
Let's see what the ICC brings
posted on 31/5/17
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/369480
Fantasy cricket lads for Champions Trophy
posted on 31/5/17
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posted on 1/6/17
I really can't name any other better all rounder than Stokes? Maybe Matthews but hes hit and miss.
Aus/SA/NZ dont really have anyone.
posted on 1/6/17
I think the term has changed somewhat....you get batting fielder all rounders... batter keeper all rounders the amount of players who are so good at more than one discipline now has gone up tenfold ...
You could call Root an all rounder in principle including some very good slip catching and part time spin
posted on 1/6/17
Shahid Afridi was a quality allrounder in his prime. Abdul Razzaq was also pretty decent, In terms of current allrounders I can't really think of anyone that is amazing.
posted on 13/6/17
How has Ben been doing since this thread started?
posted on 14/6/17
Stokes has a higher batting average than Flintoff in every form of the game. He also has as many 100s in ODIs (3) and nearly as many 100s in Tests and First Class cricket (4 and 12 against 5 and 18), despite only being 26 years old.
He also has more five-wicket hauls in Tests and First Class cricket, although his bowling average is marginally worse in Tests and significantly worse in ODIs.
I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say that Flintoff was a better bowler than Stokes, but then he was a bowling all-rounder who batted at 6 because of a lack of alternatives, whereas Stokes is a batting all-rounder who bowls well as a 3rd or 4th seamer.
Point is, looking at the stats Stokes is going to comfortably outshine Flintoff, and I don't think anyone would claim that Flintoff wasn't a quality all-rounder, one of the best in the world at the time (Jacques Kallis was clearly better, but then Kallis has a good claim on best all-rounder of all time).
Stokes is class and is only improving all the time
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