And if you are in any doubt about the footballing genes of the Surinamese.....Ryan babel
How many of those players were born in Suriname?
I would put this slightly below the co-efficient thread so five 's from me.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
I would put this slightly below the co-efficient thread so five's from me.
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When the 2012/13 season is deducted from the coefficients, England would have managed to remain ahead of italy by 0.6 points
Could've been a stormer of a thread, ups, downs, ins, outs....
comment by McCannStoleMaLadyfinger (U21454)
posted 2 minutes ago
How many of those players were born in Suriname?
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8 or the starting 11
the rest born to Surnamese parents after they had been given dutch citizenship
Interesting, wonder why Suriname have never been close to qualifying even if they could get the scraps that don't represent Holland
thats the exact question I had. It seems that have an issue with not approving dual citizenship. So when they gained independence and the dutch offered them a path to dutch citizenship as thansk for their years of hard colonial labor, they had to rescind their Suriname citizenry. So, even though FIFA rules state they could have played for Sureiname, the gov't wouldn't allow it.
And slowly, day by day, I turn into my Da with a bunch of useless facts and info lodged in the old cranium
That's pants, monopolizing the talent, but now that the Dutch are not the force they once were, I wonder if there are being pressur d to reverse this?
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The old nature vs nurture debate.
No doubt the talent was there, something in the DNA, and but you can't deny that going through the Ajax, feyenoord and PSV youth teams would have been hugely beneficial.
Its also interesting to dullards like me that this was a sort of golden generation who all left (or their familes did) Suriname at a similar time (over the course of a decade).
Can it be coincidence that there was such a great pool of talent? Are there still untapped treasures that, because of the lesser footballing infrastructure in Suriname, are going unnoticed and unpolished?
<strokesbeardthoughtfully>
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 23 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
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No no. He said Wifefrombelmonte is her surname.
Easy mistake to make.
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
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Very generous of them.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very generous of them.
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oh the Indo's never got to keep any of it. And i am not even sure if their ride on the big boats included return tickets.
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very generous of them.
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oh the Indo's never got to keep any of it. And i am not even sure if their ride on the big boats included return tickets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably went on to help rape and pillage in South Africa after that.
comment by McCannStoleMaLadyfinger (U21454)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
That's pants, monopolizing the talent, but now that the Dutch are not the force they once were, I wonder if there are being pressur d to reverse this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not the Dutch monopolizing the talent it's the Surinamese government not allowing their citizins taking another nationality, without giving up the Surinamese.
The same goes for me as a Dutchman. Living in the UK, I could get the English nationality. But the Dutch government doesn't allow me to have another nationality, so I would have to give up my Dutch one. Which sucks, because of Brexit, I think I better hold on to my Dutch nationality a bit longer.
What really sucks is that the Dutch government does allow other nationalities to also get the Dutch nationalities and keep their own, if their home governments allow it.
My wife, who's English, could have become a Dutch citizen, and keep her English nationality as well.
Lots of Turks, Moroccans in the Netherlands, all have dual nationality.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 hours, 47 minutes ago
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woho, hold on there buddy, let's not get carried away.
Yes, Gullit, Rijkaard and Seedorf are amongst our best players. But the rest, not even close.
Many many better goal keepers and defenders than the ones mentioned here. Rijkaard and Seedorf were great midfielders, but our best ever by far were the likes of van Hanegem, Neeskens, Bergkamp (as no. 10). Davids was good, but we have had many better then him.
Gullit, great, beautiful player, my favourite of all the Surinamese. But not as good as Cruijff and van Basten.
Kluivert, good striker, but not near our best squad ever.
All the Surinamese players whose name not mentioned, we have had many far better players for their positions.
Woho, hold on there buddy, let's not get carried away.
Yes, Gullit, Rijkaard and Seedorf are amongst our best players. But the rest, not even close.
--------
Keep it in context.
We are talking about a single point in time. Players who represented holland who could have formed a Suriname team in 1998.
Not talking about the greatest Dutch players ever. Rather the players who could have represented at WC98.
At that point in time, these were quite a few top Dutch players who could've played for Suriname.
comment by There are some who call me.........Tim (U7708)
posted 6 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 hours, 47 minutes ago
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woho, hold on there buddy, let's not get carried away.
Yes, Gullit, Rijkaard and Seedorf are amongst our best players. But the rest, not even close.
Many many better goal keepers and defenders than the ones mentioned here. Rijkaard and Seedorf were great midfielders, but our best ever by far were the likes of van Hanegem, Neeskens, Bergkamp (as no. 10). Davids was good, but we have had many better then him.
Gullit, great, beautiful player, my favourite of all the Surinamese. But not as good as Cruijff and van Basten.
Kluivert, good striker, but not near our best squad ever.
All the Surinamese players whose name not mentioned, we have had many far better players for their positions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah...on another note, I was in the Netherlands last month and decided I would go for a coffee and a sandwich. I went bankrupt and had to sell my house.
What's the deal with the prices there?
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posted on 8/6/17
And if you are in any doubt about the footballing genes of the Surinamese.....Ryan babel
posted on 8/6/17
How many of those players were born in Suriname?
posted on 8/6/17
I would put this slightly below the co-efficient thread so five 's from me.
posted on 8/6/17
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 10 seconds ago
I would put this slightly below the co-efficient thread so five's from me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 8/6/17
When the 2012/13 season is deducted from the coefficients, England would have managed to remain ahead of italy by 0.6 points
Could've been a stormer of a thread, ups, downs, ins, outs....
posted on 8/6/17
comment by McCannStoleMaLadyfinger (U21454)
posted 2 minutes ago
How many of those players were born in Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
8 or the starting 11
the rest born to Surnamese parents after they had been given dutch citizenship
posted on 8/6/17
Interesting, wonder why Suriname have never been close to qualifying even if they could get the scraps that don't represent Holland
posted on 8/6/17
thats the exact question I had. It seems that have an issue with not approving dual citizenship. So when they gained independence and the dutch offered them a path to dutch citizenship as thansk for their years of hard colonial labor, they had to rescind their Suriname citizenry. So, even though FIFA rules state they could have played for Sureiname, the gov't wouldn't allow it.
And slowly, day by day, I turn into my Da with a bunch of useless facts and info lodged in the old cranium
posted on 8/6/17
That's pants, monopolizing the talent, but now that the Dutch are not the force they once were, I wonder if there are being pressur d to reverse this?
posted on 8/6/17
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
posted on 8/6/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The old nature vs nurture debate.
No doubt the talent was there, something in the DNA, and but you can't deny that going through the Ajax, feyenoord and PSV youth teams would have been hugely beneficial.
posted on 8/6/17
Its also interesting to dullards like me that this was a sort of golden generation who all left (or their familes did) Suriname at a similar time (over the course of a decade).
Can it be coincidence that there was such a great pool of talent? Are there still untapped treasures that, because of the lesser footballing infrastructure in Suriname, are going unnoticed and unpolished?
<strokesbeardthoughtfully>
posted on 8/6/17
I blame Thatcher
posted on 8/6/17
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
posted on 8/6/17
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT... (U13718)
posted 23 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No no. He said Wifefrombelmonte is her surname.
Easy mistake to make.
posted on 8/6/17
posted on 8/6/17
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
posted on 8/6/17
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very generous of them.
posted on 8/6/17
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very generous of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
oh the Indo's never got to keep any of it. And i am not even sure if their ride on the big boats included return tickets.
posted on 8/6/17
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dean Sturridge's Nephü (Formerly LGT) (U13718)
posted 21 minutes ago
Isn't wifefrombelmonty from Suriname?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indo.
Which is also a former dutch colony. Michael Mols, Giovanni Van Bronkhost, Nigel De jong etc
Being a dutch colony they also shipped a load of indo's over to Suriname back in the day to help with the raping and the purging of the lands
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very generous of them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
oh the Indo's never got to keep any of it. And i am not even sure if their ride on the big boats included return tickets.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably went on to help rape and pillage in South Africa after that.
posted on 9/6/17
comment by McCannStoleMaLadyfinger (U21454)
posted 8 hours, 42 minutes ago
That's pants, monopolizing the talent, but now that the Dutch are not the force they once were, I wonder if there are being pressur d to reverse this?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not the Dutch monopolizing the talent it's the Surinamese government not allowing their citizins taking another nationality, without giving up the Surinamese.
The same goes for me as a Dutchman. Living in the UK, I could get the English nationality. But the Dutch government doesn't allow me to have another nationality, so I would have to give up my Dutch one. Which sucks, because of Brexit, I think I better hold on to my Dutch nationality a bit longer.
What really sucks is that the Dutch government does allow other nationalities to also get the Dutch nationalities and keep their own, if their home governments allow it.
My wife, who's English, could have become a Dutch citizen, and keep her English nationality as well.
Lots of Turks, Moroccans in the Netherlands, all have dual nationality.
posted on 9/6/17
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 hours, 47 minutes ago
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woho, hold on there buddy, let's not get carried away.
Yes, Gullit, Rijkaard and Seedorf are amongst our best players. But the rest, not even close.
Many many better goal keepers and defenders than the ones mentioned here. Rijkaard and Seedorf were great midfielders, but our best ever by far were the likes of van Hanegem, Neeskens, Bergkamp (as no. 10). Davids was good, but we have had many better then him.
Gullit, great, beautiful player, my favourite of all the Surinamese. But not as good as Cruijff and van Basten.
Kluivert, good striker, but not near our best squad ever.
All the Surinamese players whose name not mentioned, we have had many far better players for their positions.
posted on 9/6/17
Woho, hold on there buddy, let's not get carried away.
Yes, Gullit, Rijkaard and Seedorf are amongst our best players. But the rest, not even close.
--------
Keep it in context.
We are talking about a single point in time. Players who represented holland who could have formed a Suriname team in 1998.
Not talking about the greatest Dutch players ever. Rather the players who could have represented at WC98.
At that point in time, these were quite a few top Dutch players who could've played for Suriname.
posted on 9/6/17
comment by There are some who call me.........Tim (U7708)
posted 6 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 hours, 47 minutes ago
Aron Winter - blast from the past.
Crazy that though, most of the Dutch's best players. However the lack of infrastructure and coaching probably means they wouldn't have been a success anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Woho, hold on there buddy, let's not get carried away.
Yes, Gullit, Rijkaard and Seedorf are amongst our best players. But the rest, not even close.
Many many better goal keepers and defenders than the ones mentioned here. Rijkaard and Seedorf were great midfielders, but our best ever by far were the likes of van Hanegem, Neeskens, Bergkamp (as no. 10). Davids was good, but we have had many better then him.
Gullit, great, beautiful player, my favourite of all the Surinamese. But not as good as Cruijff and van Basten.
Kluivert, good striker, but not near our best squad ever.
All the Surinamese players whose name not mentioned, we have had many far better players for their positions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah...on another note, I was in the Netherlands last month and decided I would go for a coffee and a sandwich. I went bankrupt and had to sell my house.
What's the deal with the prices there?
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