Most of what has been said is right, but I think when a player makes a point of showing their loyalty, it's natural that fans will turn on them if they suddenly leave to earn even more millions!
True but what about Dunne, Fowler and Barton who were basicly shown the door by the clubs they obviously had an affinity too and the fans as well. Those same fans then start making an excuse for the club about going forward and not part of the plans, not good enough etc. Fans show scant loyalty to these players (probably including myself in that over the dunney monster)
LEE1PEN (U6707)
A very fair and valid point... are we just blatent hypocrites?
BahamasSpurs (U1033)
An interesting point. If the money wasn't there in the quantities it is, then players could choose the club, rather than the reverse. Which is largely what we used to have many years ago and still exists in the lower leagues.
I guess the issue lies with us, the fans. We all want to see our club attracting the best players and, unfortunately, money is the quick route. Given the choice, I'm sure players would rather aim for far more attractive places than Manchester.
Good to see some football being discussed.
I certainly hope anyone participating in this thread supports their local club and haven't been lured to another by the prospect of 'Glory'.
"it's natural that fans will turn on them if they suddenly leave to earn even more millions"
Fans only care about loyalty when it suits them to do so. What about a player who has given his all for a club, but isn't deemed to be good enough by the fans? Would, say, Villa fans slate Emile Heskey if he left the club to earn more money elsewhere, in the way that they slated Milner?
comment by askdannyjeeves (U8241)
posted 15 minutes ago
BO$$™ (U6401)
When most people's career is 50 years, I'd say it's definitely a short career. Particularly if it's shortened further by injury
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50 years most people would be dead at that age if you start your working life at 20.
"A very fair and valid point... are we just blatent hypocrites?"
I would say we are, yes. It's one of the peculiarities of being a football fan, and indeed one of the joys!!!!
BO$$™ (U6401)
If you really want to be pedantic, then a lot of people are working at 16, and not a lot of people retire before 65.
I'm sorry, but it's easy to make the right noises in a hypothetical situation.
some people are honest, even in hypotheticals, others aren't.
There is no way that any sane person would not spend a year going to the games of another team for 100k per week. sorry, there just isn't, unless you already earn similar money.
Having read a lot of the comments it seems that there is a fine line which players can cross in terms of how fans will judge them in the future which takes into account footballing and non footballing issues:
NON-footballing
- years honoured/left on contract
- how big an increase in wages he'll receive in proportion to his new clubs status as perceived by fans (established force or not)
Footballing
- a step up in quality (intra or inter league as there are clearly leagues within leagues theses days so to speak)
- won everything with current club and leaves on good terms partly due to age as well
- not being played regularly by manager so will engineer a move to any club within reason to get game time
Again fans will perceive the above reasons in their own way. Some with blind allegiance to the club or player in question but they will always be divisive issues
Zaphod Zoeller (U2027)
Yes, it's fair to say that if the situation arose then people may stop and think. And yes, if I'm honest, it would stop me in my tracks too. But it's purely hypothetical; it's not based on reality so why should my answer have to be?
However, what I find really odd is that people would be willing to jump even at the hypothesis. I mean, it's never ever going to happen, so what's so wrong with swearing undying allegiance? And even more amusing is the fact it's all Arsenal fans who are saying they'd jump, when they are the self same fans who accuse City fans of greed. Laughable!
perhaps arsenal fans are simply more willing to be honest.
I could obviously pretend to support anyone, doesn't mean I would actually want them to win. It would be impossible to turn off my support for Arsenal.
On the points made about Samuel Eto'o: In his home country the hero-worship factor is about 100 times that in Europe. With the millions he's earned and will earn he could probably move into politics and try to fulfill some of his dreams from that platform. A very rich and popular footballer from Cameroon is not far from the Presidency if he wants it. (Oh, and for 5.2 million p.a. I'd wear sky-blue underpants every day I went swimming in the blue lagoon. And I'd learn the words to Blue Moon)
"Blue Moon
You saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own"
The underpants and cheque will follow shortly...
"The underpants and cheque will follow shortly..."
Used underpants, or new?
It could make all the difference.
At least Asamoah Gyan was honest with the fans of Sunderland. Which 1 of us would not move to another company i fthey offered usan increase in our wages of 50% or more. Let us get this right nearly all of us would, move for the money.
Can I sign my supporters contract at the end of the season ?
If so I would go watch City's pre season tour cheer them on wildy against what ever random teams they play. Then around about August time I would strain my supporting muscle which would be followed by a drop in supporting confidence and after a week or two of being a bad fan that abuses the clubs players I would ask for mutual termination...
I am thinking at least 13 weeks x 100,000 minus tax = £650,000 Think I could scrape by on that....
(who even old Arry claims was ready to play for Tottenham to win more medals)
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Goes some way to showing why Viera chose us not Spurs then...
I would support put on an Arsenal Jersey underneath the City Jersey...then go for the cheque ASAP!!
Poor old Patrick Vieira he must be gutted to have gone to City only to get a FA Cup winners medal and an club ambassdors job while he takes his coaching badges.
If he had gone to Spurs he wouldn't have actually won anything but he may have been given the oppurtunity to fulfill his lif-long ambition of being a programme seller when he retired.
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posted on 13/9/11
Most of what has been said is right, but I think when a player makes a point of showing their loyalty, it's natural that fans will turn on them if they suddenly leave to earn even more millions!
True but what about Dunne, Fowler and Barton who were basicly shown the door by the clubs they obviously had an affinity too and the fans as well. Those same fans then start making an excuse for the club about going forward and not part of the plans, not good enough etc. Fans show scant loyalty to these players (probably including myself in that over the dunney monster)
posted on 13/9/11
LEE1PEN (U6707)
A very fair and valid point... are we just blatent hypocrites?
posted on 13/9/11
BahamasSpurs (U1033)
An interesting point. If the money wasn't there in the quantities it is, then players could choose the club, rather than the reverse. Which is largely what we used to have many years ago and still exists in the lower leagues.
I guess the issue lies with us, the fans. We all want to see our club attracting the best players and, unfortunately, money is the quick route. Given the choice, I'm sure players would rather aim for far more attractive places than Manchester.
posted on 13/9/11
Good to see some football being discussed.
posted on 13/9/11
I certainly hope anyone participating in this thread supports their local club and haven't been lured to another by the prospect of 'Glory'.
posted on 13/9/11
"it's natural that fans will turn on them if they suddenly leave to earn even more millions"
Fans only care about loyalty when it suits them to do so. What about a player who has given his all for a club, but isn't deemed to be good enough by the fans? Would, say, Villa fans slate Emile Heskey if he left the club to earn more money elsewhere, in the way that they slated Milner?
posted on 13/9/11
comment by askdannyjeeves (U8241)
posted 15 minutes ago
BO$$™ (U6401)
When most people's career is 50 years, I'd say it's definitely a short career. Particularly if it's shortened further by injury
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50 years most people would be dead at that age if you start your working life at 20.
posted on 13/9/11
"A very fair and valid point... are we just blatent hypocrites?"
I would say we are, yes. It's one of the peculiarities of being a football fan, and indeed one of the joys!!!!
posted on 13/9/11
BO$$™ (U6401)
If you really want to be pedantic, then a lot of people are working at 16, and not a lot of people retire before 65.
posted on 13/9/11
I'm sorry, but it's easy to make the right noises in a hypothetical situation.
some people are honest, even in hypotheticals, others aren't.
There is no way that any sane person would not spend a year going to the games of another team for 100k per week. sorry, there just isn't, unless you already earn similar money.
posted on 13/9/11
Having read a lot of the comments it seems that there is a fine line which players can cross in terms of how fans will judge them in the future which takes into account footballing and non footballing issues:
NON-footballing
- years honoured/left on contract
- how big an increase in wages he'll receive in proportion to his new clubs status as perceived by fans (established force or not)
Footballing
- a step up in quality (intra or inter league as there are clearly leagues within leagues theses days so to speak)
- won everything with current club and leaves on good terms partly due to age as well
- not being played regularly by manager so will engineer a move to any club within reason to get game time
Again fans will perceive the above reasons in their own way. Some with blind allegiance to the club or player in question but they will always be divisive issues
posted on 13/9/11
Zaphod Zoeller (U2027)
Yes, it's fair to say that if the situation arose then people may stop and think. And yes, if I'm honest, it would stop me in my tracks too. But it's purely hypothetical; it's not based on reality so why should my answer have to be?
However, what I find really odd is that people would be willing to jump even at the hypothesis. I mean, it's never ever going to happen, so what's so wrong with swearing undying allegiance? And even more amusing is the fact it's all Arsenal fans who are saying they'd jump, when they are the self same fans who accuse City fans of greed. Laughable!
posted on 13/9/11
perhaps arsenal fans are simply more willing to be honest.
posted on 13/9/11
I could obviously pretend to support anyone, doesn't mean I would actually want them to win. It would be impossible to turn off my support for Arsenal.
posted on 13/9/11
On the points made about Samuel Eto'o: In his home country the hero-worship factor is about 100 times that in Europe. With the millions he's earned and will earn he could probably move into politics and try to fulfill some of his dreams from that platform. A very rich and popular footballer from Cameroon is not far from the Presidency if he wants it. (Oh, and for 5.2 million p.a. I'd wear sky-blue underpants every day I went swimming in the blue lagoon. And I'd learn the words to Blue Moon)
posted on 13/9/11
"Blue Moon
You saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own"
The underpants and cheque will follow shortly...
posted on 13/9/11
"The underpants and cheque will follow shortly..."
Used underpants, or new?
It could make all the difference.
posted on 13/9/11
posted on 13/9/11
At least Asamoah Gyan was honest with the fans of Sunderland. Which 1 of us would not move to another company i fthey offered usan increase in our wages of 50% or more. Let us get this right nearly all of us would, move for the money.
posted on 13/9/11
Can I sign my supporters contract at the end of the season ?
If so I would go watch City's pre season tour cheer them on wildy against what ever random teams they play. Then around about August time I would strain my supporting muscle which would be followed by a drop in supporting confidence and after a week or two of being a bad fan that abuses the clubs players I would ask for mutual termination...
I am thinking at least 13 weeks x 100,000 minus tax = £650,000 Think I could scrape by on that....
posted on 14/9/11
(who even old Arry claims was ready to play for Tottenham to win more medals)
---------------------------------------------------------
Goes some way to showing why Viera chose us not Spurs then...
posted on 16/9/11
I would support put on an Arsenal Jersey underneath the City Jersey...then go for the cheque ASAP!!
posted on 16/9/11
Poor old Patrick Vieira he must be gutted to have gone to City only to get a FA Cup winners medal and an club ambassdors job while he takes his coaching badges.
If he had gone to Spurs he wouldn't have actually won anything but he may have been given the oppurtunity to fulfill his lif-long ambition of being a programme seller when he retired.
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