comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 3 seconds ago
Of course you won the title , no Injuries and no Europe if you had not of won it considering the money spent it would have been a massive disappointment, considering the advantages you had over Spurs beating us by 7 was pretty poor
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But squid if that is the case about our advantages lets look at the advantages you had over Leicester and please do not say you did not have any, so what was the excuse there?
LcFc had a superb season , freakish , Spurs had the youngest team and squad in the prem and they improved with time and will again this coming term
What do you mean considering the money spent? Last season we was near enough at 0 net spend if I remember and we won the league.
Do you pay your players with monopoly money?
Chelsea's spend = wages + net spend.
I think Squid's argument is a bit off. Sorry mate . Chelsea only beating us by 7pts is not poor. We got a very good amount of points, enough to win a title in plenty of other seasons. Chelsea got one of the highest ever, a fantastic season.
In short - you cannot affect what other teams do. If you won all 38 games, it would still be possible for a team to finish 6pts behind you if they won all their other ones
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 36 minutes ago
LcFc had a superb season , freakish , Spurs had the youngest team and squad in the prem and they improved with time and will again this coming term
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Squid for your sake I hope you are right , for where my loyalties lie, I hope you are completely wrong and you have a nightmare season.
But I said earlier and in my opinion you are maybe 2 but I think possibly 1 win less season away from losing 3 to 4 of your best players and very possibly Pochettino, I really can see your side being ripped apart and Pochettino being snapped up by one of the big spenders if one of their managers does not perform.
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 15 minutes ago
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
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Ditto you.
One player is not nearly enough for the way you play, not if your mini burnout due to the league cup run is anything to go by.
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Continuity has been totally overlooked by the media & the plastics of United, City & chelsea who seeem to think the only way to strengthen is to spend cash. Our major signings of last summer barely played and we finished miles ahead of City and United who were/are until proven otherwise, cr@p
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Diamond let me ask you a question, you slate the teams mentioned including mine for spending cash.
Firstly let me say, you made no worthwhile attempts as the european competitions, you got knocked out of the Champs league and then had a great opportunity in the Europa but you threw it, there is no other way of putting it, your manager set up to throw that competition, he put all the eggs in one basket to win the prem.
So to the question, do you think you could go through this season coming by making no signings or say you sign 2 mediocre players will you be able to compete and I do mean compete not token challenges, will you be able to compete for all the competitions here and in europe, In my opinion it would be no,
Whatever you say about Man U , City , they will be much stronger, yes you finished in front of them but they have been poor, that will not continue, do you really believe they will not get it together sooner or later and if you do not spend money Spurs will fall away , you have not got the squad to keep challenging them. It will eventually catch up on you-------------------------------------------------------------------
Diamond this is in no way a wind up or a pop at Spurs it is just my opinion in reply to your comments
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I hear ya mate, I was as disappointed as anyone with our cup performances. TBH given the overall quality & consistency of our domestic campaign I look at it as a blip. Given the way we played in the league & Europe... it was the EXACT same team so the fault has to lay with Poch..,. tactics/complacency ... who knows
My only frustration is with fans/pundits who think that spending a boat load of money automatically makes them stronger... Its just not true. This time last year every man and his dog was saying the title would end up in Manchester (joke) and the season before nobody gave Leicester a chance (they didn't spend massive amounts of money..... nobody had heard of Vardy, Mahrez & Kante etc. I just think its tired/lazy old rhetoric and its easier to say Spurs did well last year & leicester the year before because the big heads underperformed...... Its just failure to acknowledge the achievements of teams who do well without ruining an already fooked transfer system by just buying up other teams best players
As of right now United & City are much stronger on paper..... nothing else !
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Nobody has said spending a load of money is the answer or mandatory, I really don't know why you struggle to grasp that there is something in between spending absolutely nothing and spending a fortune. It's as though you believe that it's either nothing and £40k a week or it must be £60m and £175k a week.
There are players we can buy who don't cost a fortune; Dortmund get them, Atleti get them, Sevilla get them, we don't get them. They're not richer than us and they don't pay gigantic salaries. It's called good scouting. Not that difficult to understand.
Ledders then it just comes down to each clubs preference. However you have and this is not my words but many of your supporters the best side they have ever seen, if that is so then the problem is they have still not won a thing, surely to supplement the side and may just maybe give them that little winning edge , you do need to splash the cash on 2 or 3 big players to drive home that winning mentality.
But Spurs won't do it, well Levy won't.
And I guarantee if you finish potless this year, you will lose top players make no mistake about, players get sick of watching there friends at top clubs picking up silverware, so you keep your belief in buying low value players or making very few changes but see come seasons end who has the big silverware . You may steal an EFL cup but that would be down to a lot of the bigger teams not playing full strength sides.
The question is will even that be enough
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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 15 minutes ago
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
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Ditto you.
One player is not nearly enough for the way you play, not if your mini burnout due to the league cup run is anything to go by.
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Good job we've signed three then.
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Don't tell me we have got a weak squad
We had 14 points more than we have ever had in the prem and we had untold injuries all season long
Tony and Vert ....18 games between them
Kane...................9 games
Rose ..................about 15 games
Demb...................8 games
Lamela..................Nearly a whole season
Winks...................about 15 games
Plus others wit shorter absences
We had one game where we fielded a full strength side , Chelsea had over 3o games with a firt choice eleven
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I don't think it is true to say we only had one game with a full strength side since in many cases Wanyama may be preferred over Dembele (who was not always up to his usual standard).
But more to the point is to look at our performances when certain players were absent - say Rose. It was generally thought that Davies is not an adequate replacement.
I'm surprised Walker had no injuries. But now he's gone. Where's the player to replace him? Trippier? Well I don't think we will do as well, points wise with Trppier as we would do with Walker.
And the real point is that the squad, even without any injuries is pretty thin for the stuffed schedule we have. I do not want to see us going out in round 1 of the Chumps league again.
So bottom line, we do need to "bulk up" with top players. And Janssen has to show up.
Luckily there are rumors that we are looking around. Toljan for one. And then there's Ross Barkeley.
So, fingers crossed, Levy despite his opinions realizes that he must play in the current market.
Bottom fishing at the 11 th hour??
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comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 15 minutes ago
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
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Ditto you.
One player is not nearly enough for the way you play, not if your mini burnout due to the league cup run is anything to go by.
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Good job we've signed three then.
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If you are classing Solanke as a first team signing, then promoting Carter-Vickers, Onomah and Walker-Peters is essentially three signings for us, as they are his u19 peers
You are still a mess at the back, with two dodgy keepers
Two of those were involved in the first team last season though. Mignolet is much improved and Karius will hopefully have had a kick up the backside. We've also got Ward. Goalkeeper is no longer a priority for us. If we get VVD as I expect us to, we will have a very good centre back pairing and, if not, Matip and Lovren did well last season when they played together.
Two never played a minute of PL or European football, the other just 26 minutes. They were peripheral last season.
If you sign Van Dijk eh?
If being the key word there. Until you do, you have bigger problems than us
Well we've got much more squad depth than yourselves and our main sticky patch last season came when Matip bizarrely wasn't allowed to play while Cameroon were still in the ACON. So I think we're ok, VVD will just make us even better.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
Well we've got much more squad depth than yourselves and our main sticky patch last season came when Matip bizarrely wasn't allowed to play while Cameroon were still in the ACON. So I think we're ok, VVD will just make us even better.
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Of course you have
Well yes, we have. You've got a very thin squad.
Spurs back up - Vorm, Walker-Peters, Wimmer, Carter-Vickers, Davies, Winks, Onomah, Sissoko, N'Koudou, Lamela, Son, Janssen
Liverpool back up - Karius, Bogdan, Ward, Alexander-Arnold, Klavan, Gomez, Moreno, Robertson, Flanagan, Wijnaldum, Gruijic, Can, Ojo, Sturridge, Origi, Ings, Solanke
A few extra faces, including two more back up GKs, but I don't see extra quality
Really? There is some good quality in there. We will have a very good bench this season. Bogdan and Moreno are poor, highly doubt they will be here in September. I still have hopes for Flanagan but we'll have to see how he does. The rest range from decent to very good backups and one or two even potential starters.
Karius not better than Vorm
RBs similar quality and I expect us to sign another
Klavan and Gomez not better than Wimmer and CCV
Robertson not better than Davies
Wijnaldum and Can are better than our CMs but I think Winks will make some big leaps this season
Your back up strikers are better but Lamela and Son are much better than any wide options you have
Trent is a huge prospect, as is Gomez, Ojo also has a lot of potential. Robertson may be our first choice left back, time will tell. Our midfield and attack is where the big difference is. Having Son, Lamela, Sissoko and Nkoudou as backups is not enough for a team wanting to compete both at home and abroad. But I am aware we need to make a couple of improvements ourselves, and if we can get VVD and Keita over the line we will be looking very good indeed.
Every club's fans think their own youth prospects' potential is huge. Walker-Peters and Onomah won the u20 World Cup, so it's hard for me to believe TAA and Ojo are necessarily better
Son and Lamela are better than any of your attacking back ups bar a fit and firing Sturridge
Son scored 20+ goals last season and Lamela was a key player in our team that challenged for the league 2 seasons ago
Solanke' record in Holland is far worse than Janssen's btw
Son is a very good backup, I'll give you that. Lamela not so much if you ask me, and hasn't he been out injured for ages?
There are people calling for Trent to be our first choice right back which shows just how good he is.
And Solanke was officially the best player at that U20 World Cup.
Lamela is a very good player that's without question, just depends on whether he recovers fully from his injury. Much better than any Liverpool attacking mid back up
I think people calling for Trent also shows how average Clyne is. Like I said, he's doing nothing so far to confirm he's any better than Walker-Peters
Last season we had Lamela, Kane, Toby, Jan and Rose all out for lengthy periods and still racked up 86 points
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posted on 27/7/17
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 3 seconds ago
Of course you won the title , no Injuries and no Europe if you had not of won it considering the money spent it would have been a massive disappointment, considering the advantages you had over Spurs beating us by 7 was pretty poor
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But squid if that is the case about our advantages lets look at the advantages you had over Leicester and please do not say you did not have any, so what was the excuse there?
posted on 27/7/17
LcFc had a superb season , freakish , Spurs had the youngest team and squad in the prem and they improved with time and will again this coming term
posted on 27/7/17
What do you mean considering the money spent? Last season we was near enough at 0 net spend if I remember and we won the league.
posted on 27/7/17
Do you pay your players with monopoly money?
Chelsea's spend = wages + net spend.
I think Squid's argument is a bit off. Sorry mate . Chelsea only beating us by 7pts is not poor. We got a very good amount of points, enough to win a title in plenty of other seasons. Chelsea got one of the highest ever, a fantastic season.
In short - you cannot affect what other teams do. If you won all 38 games, it would still be possible for a team to finish 6pts behind you if they won all their other ones
posted on 27/7/17
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 36 minutes ago
LcFc had a superb season , freakish , Spurs had the youngest team and squad in the prem and they improved with time and will again this coming term
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Squid for your sake I hope you are right , for where my loyalties lie, I hope you are completely wrong and you have a nightmare season.
But I said earlier and in my opinion you are maybe 2 but I think possibly 1 win less season away from losing 3 to 4 of your best players and very possibly Pochettino, I really can see your side being ripped apart and Pochettino being snapped up by one of the big spenders if one of their managers does not perform.
posted on 27/7/17
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
posted on 27/7/17
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 15 minutes ago
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
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Ditto you.
One player is not nearly enough for the way you play, not if your mini burnout due to the league cup run is anything to go by.
posted on 27/7/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Bridge of dreams (U8917)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Bridge of dreams (U8917)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 3 minutes ago
Continuity has been totally overlooked by the media & the plastics of United, City & chelsea who seeem to think the only way to strengthen is to spend cash. Our major signings of last summer barely played and we finished miles ahead of City and United who were/are until proven otherwise, cr@p
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Diamond let me ask you a question, you slate the teams mentioned including mine for spending cash.
Firstly let me say, you made no worthwhile attempts as the european competitions, you got knocked out of the Champs league and then had a great opportunity in the Europa but you threw it, there is no other way of putting it, your manager set up to throw that competition, he put all the eggs in one basket to win the prem.
So to the question, do you think you could go through this season coming by making no signings or say you sign 2 mediocre players will you be able to compete and I do mean compete not token challenges, will you be able to compete for all the competitions here and in europe, In my opinion it would be no,
Whatever you say about Man U , City , they will be much stronger, yes you finished in front of them but they have been poor, that will not continue, do you really believe they will not get it together sooner or later and if you do not spend money Spurs will fall away , you have not got the squad to keep challenging them. It will eventually catch up on you-------------------------------------------------------------------
Diamond this is in no way a wind up or a pop at Spurs it is just my opinion in reply to your comments
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I hear ya mate, I was as disappointed as anyone with our cup performances. TBH given the overall quality & consistency of our domestic campaign I look at it as a blip. Given the way we played in the league & Europe... it was the EXACT same team so the fault has to lay with Poch..,. tactics/complacency ... who knows
My only frustration is with fans/pundits who think that spending a boat load of money automatically makes them stronger... Its just not true. This time last year every man and his dog was saying the title would end up in Manchester (joke) and the season before nobody gave Leicester a chance (they didn't spend massive amounts of money..... nobody had heard of Vardy, Mahrez & Kante etc. I just think its tired/lazy old rhetoric and its easier to say Spurs did well last year & leicester the year before because the big heads underperformed...... Its just failure to acknowledge the achievements of teams who do well without ruining an already fooked transfer system by just buying up other teams best players
As of right now United & City are much stronger on paper..... nothing else !
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Nobody has said spending a load of money is the answer or mandatory, I really don't know why you struggle to grasp that there is something in between spending absolutely nothing and spending a fortune. It's as though you believe that it's either nothing and £40k a week or it must be £60m and £175k a week.
There are players we can buy who don't cost a fortune; Dortmund get them, Atleti get them, Sevilla get them, we don't get them. They're not richer than us and they don't pay gigantic salaries. It's called good scouting. Not that difficult to understand.
posted on 27/7/17
Ledders then it just comes down to each clubs preference. However you have and this is not my words but many of your supporters the best side they have ever seen, if that is so then the problem is they have still not won a thing, surely to supplement the side and may just maybe give them that little winning edge , you do need to splash the cash on 2 or 3 big players to drive home that winning mentality.
But Spurs won't do it, well Levy won't.
And I guarantee if you finish potless this year, you will lose top players make no mistake about, players get sick of watching there friends at top clubs picking up silverware, so you keep your belief in buying low value players or making very few changes but see come seasons end who has the big silverware . You may steal an EFL cup but that would be down to a lot of the bigger teams not playing full strength sides.
The question is will even that be enough
posted on 27/7/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 15 minutes ago
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
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Ditto you.
One player is not nearly enough for the way you play, not if your mini burnout due to the league cup run is anything to go by.
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Good job we've signed three then.
posted on 27/7/17
comment by squid ..Glass half FULL.. (U1125)
posted 4 hours, 26 minutes ago
Don't tell me we have got a weak squad
We had 14 points more than we have ever had in the prem and we had untold injuries all season long
Tony and Vert ....18 games between them
Kane...................9 games
Rose ..................about 15 games
Demb...................8 games
Lamela..................Nearly a whole season
Winks...................about 15 games
Plus others wit shorter absences
We had one game where we fielded a full strength side , Chelsea had over 3o games with a firt choice eleven
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I don't think it is true to say we only had one game with a full strength side since in many cases Wanyama may be preferred over Dembele (who was not always up to his usual standard).
But more to the point is to look at our performances when certain players were absent - say Rose. It was generally thought that Davies is not an adequate replacement.
I'm surprised Walker had no injuries. But now he's gone. Where's the player to replace him? Trippier? Well I don't think we will do as well, points wise with Trppier as we would do with Walker.
And the real point is that the squad, even without any injuries is pretty thin for the stuffed schedule we have. I do not want to see us going out in round 1 of the Chumps league again.
So bottom line, we do need to "bulk up" with top players. And Janssen has to show up.
Luckily there are rumors that we are looking around. Toljan for one. And then there's Ross Barkeley.
So, fingers crossed, Levy despite his opinions realizes that he must play in the current market.
Bottom fishing at the 11 th hour??
posted on 28/7/17
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 12 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 15 minutes ago
Spurs do need to get a move on in the transfer market unless they're just not interested in Europe.
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Ditto you.
One player is not nearly enough for the way you play, not if your mini burnout due to the league cup run is anything to go by.
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Good job we've signed three then.
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If you are classing Solanke as a first team signing, then promoting Carter-Vickers, Onomah and Walker-Peters is essentially three signings for us, as they are his u19 peers
posted on 28/7/17
You are still a mess at the back, with two dodgy keepers
posted on 28/7/17
Two of those were involved in the first team last season though. Mignolet is much improved and Karius will hopefully have had a kick up the backside. We've also got Ward. Goalkeeper is no longer a priority for us. If we get VVD as I expect us to, we will have a very good centre back pairing and, if not, Matip and Lovren did well last season when they played together.
posted on 28/7/17
Two never played a minute of PL or European football, the other just 26 minutes. They were peripheral last season.
If you sign Van Dijk eh?
If being the key word there. Until you do, you have bigger problems than us
posted on 28/7/17
Well we've got much more squad depth than yourselves and our main sticky patch last season came when Matip bizarrely wasn't allowed to play while Cameroon were still in the ACON. So I think we're ok, VVD will just make us even better.
posted on 28/7/17
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
Well we've got much more squad depth than yourselves and our main sticky patch last season came when Matip bizarrely wasn't allowed to play while Cameroon were still in the ACON. So I think we're ok, VVD will just make us even better.
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Of course you have
posted on 28/7/17
Well yes, we have. You've got a very thin squad.
posted on 28/7/17
Spurs back up - Vorm, Walker-Peters, Wimmer, Carter-Vickers, Davies, Winks, Onomah, Sissoko, N'Koudou, Lamela, Son, Janssen
Liverpool back up - Karius, Bogdan, Ward, Alexander-Arnold, Klavan, Gomez, Moreno, Robertson, Flanagan, Wijnaldum, Gruijic, Can, Ojo, Sturridge, Origi, Ings, Solanke
A few extra faces, including two more back up GKs, but I don't see extra quality
posted on 28/7/17
Really? There is some good quality in there. We will have a very good bench this season. Bogdan and Moreno are poor, highly doubt they will be here in September. I still have hopes for Flanagan but we'll have to see how he does. The rest range from decent to very good backups and one or two even potential starters.
posted on 28/7/17
Karius not better than Vorm
RBs similar quality and I expect us to sign another
Klavan and Gomez not better than Wimmer and CCV
Robertson not better than Davies
Wijnaldum and Can are better than our CMs but I think Winks will make some big leaps this season
Your back up strikers are better but Lamela and Son are much better than any wide options you have
posted on 28/7/17
Trent is a huge prospect, as is Gomez, Ojo also has a lot of potential. Robertson may be our first choice left back, time will tell. Our midfield and attack is where the big difference is. Having Son, Lamela, Sissoko and Nkoudou as backups is not enough for a team wanting to compete both at home and abroad. But I am aware we need to make a couple of improvements ourselves, and if we can get VVD and Keita over the line we will be looking very good indeed.
posted on 28/7/17
Every club's fans think their own youth prospects' potential is huge. Walker-Peters and Onomah won the u20 World Cup, so it's hard for me to believe TAA and Ojo are necessarily better
Son and Lamela are better than any of your attacking back ups bar a fit and firing Sturridge
Son scored 20+ goals last season and Lamela was a key player in our team that challenged for the league 2 seasons ago
Solanke' record in Holland is far worse than Janssen's btw
posted on 28/7/17
Son is a very good backup, I'll give you that. Lamela not so much if you ask me, and hasn't he been out injured for ages?
There are people calling for Trent to be our first choice right back which shows just how good he is.
And Solanke was officially the best player at that U20 World Cup.
posted on 28/7/17
Lamela is a very good player that's without question, just depends on whether he recovers fully from his injury. Much better than any Liverpool attacking mid back up
I think people calling for Trent also shows how average Clyne is. Like I said, he's doing nothing so far to confirm he's any better than Walker-Peters
Last season we had Lamela, Kane, Toby, Jan and Rose all out for lengthy periods and still racked up 86 points
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