The largest self-propelled man-made object ever built.
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posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
The Arsenal/Titanic thing is brilliant.
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posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
The Post, I don't see the connection or how they're related to be honest. But Manchester United have some links in regards to the ship on their badge which represents the Manchester Ship Canal which helped Manchester to facilitate trade and other business opportunities at the same time as Titanic was designed, built and set sail. Also Man Utd have a unique disaster that was caused by ice. Although the crash was originally blamed on pilot error, it was subsequently found to have been caused by slush towards the end of the runway.
Man Utd also have a little picture of Titanic on their kit.
https://pics.me.me/they-said-i-could-become-anything-adidas-so-i-became-5706131.png
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posted 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me to find some wealthy people paying huge sums to 'acquire' items from the Titanic to add to their private collections.This a worry. Or am I being paranoid!?
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posted 16 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me to find some wealthy people paying huge sums to 'acquire' items from the Titanic to add to their private collections.This a worry. Or am I being paranoid!?
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After Ballard and his team located the ship, they returned in July of 1986 to explore the wreck in three-person submersibles. The team took pictures to document the ship's condition and investigate its sinking, but recovered no artifacts. In fact, the team left a commemorative plaque requesting that the site be left undisturbed as a memorial to the dead.
LQ, I got back to you on your article about the fire, please find the link below. Tyke what do you make about the fire? a real revelation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361138
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posted 16 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me to find some wealthy people paying huge sums to 'acquire' items from the Titanic to add to their private collections.This a worry. Or am I being paranoid!?
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Precious items recovered from the world's most famously doomed ocean liner are up for sale. The salvage rights to the Titanic and more than 5,500 items recovered from the deep went up for sale in July, as the company that owns 'the rights' works through bankruptcy.
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posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
LQ, I got back to you on your article about the fire, please find the link below. Tyke what do you make about the fire? a real revelation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361138
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It is a fascinating subject. I am still more inclined to believe it was due to rather poor steel quality that made it brittle below 0 c, and that the rivets ( or some of them,the iron ones made by cheap,unskilled labour ) all combined to allow the hull plates to rip apart,letting more water in.
With higher quality steel,the hull would have bent more,rather than cracking,and with quality all steel rivets,the plates would have stayed fixed together. I'm sure 2 or 3 compartments would still have flooded,but the Titanic was designed to stay afloat with 3 or even 4 flooded compartments.
I don't think the fire would have heated the steel enough to weaken it, that would take some doing!, but the excessive speed due to the manic shoveling to get the burning coal out of the way certainly didn't help!
All in all it was a sort of 'perfect storm'. From the company,the money men and all the individual mistakes to just pure bad luck.
I did hear there some vital witness statements from a fireman that was supressed at the inquest though. As in all these major disasters, things are hidden to protect the ( wealthy ) guilty!
The majority of people do not give a crap about some ship that sunk 100 years ago. Choice City on the other hand enjoys jacking off to its sinking
Alright Bob Waanky online at 2am oh no please don't accuse me of 'jacking off' to 'a ship' daft wannabe American discussing your virginity at length with other men on here
The funny thing is, you're the one up at 2am taking about Titanic.
Titanic, moreover, has become the preferred trope for analogous catastrophes. It has become a part of our mythology, firmly entrenched in the collective consciousness.
The majority of people do not give a crap about Arsenal FC mate, or anything in particular, but if you think what you talk about on here is more compelling than the greatest story ever told than you're wrong. What do you think about an exact replica being built in China?
I do not actually give a crap about the replica. I have no interest in such a boring story.
You do have an interest in it, no interest is a type of interest.
It's really important to reach out to people like you and inspire them, people with a low level of interest in the replica just need to be shown the joy in knowing about this and to be encouraged to learn more
Boredom is a condition characterized by perception of one's environment as dull, tedious, and lacking in stimulation. This can result from leisure and a lack of aesthetic interests. Labor and art may be alienated and passive, or immersed in tedium. There is an inherent anxiety in boredom; people will expend considerable effort to prevent or remedy it, yet in many circumstances, it is accepted as suffering to be endured. Common passive ways to escape boredom are to sleep or to think creative thoughts (daydream). Typical active solutions consist in an intentional activity of some sort, often something new, as familiarity and repetition lead to the tedious.
1916 Rea Irvin illustration depicting a bore putting her audience to sleep
During the fin de siècle, the French term for the end of the 19th century in the West, some of the cultural hallmarks included "ennui", cynicism, pessimism, and "...a widespread belief that civilization leads to decadence."[25]
Boredom also plays a role in existentialist thought. Søren Kierkegaard and Friedrich Nietzsche were two of the first philosophers considered fundamental to the existentialist movement. Like Pascal, they were interested in people's quiet struggle with the apparent meaninglessness of life and the use of diversion to escape from boredom. Kierkegaard's Either/Or describes the rotation method, a method used by higher level aesthetes in order to avoid boredom. The method is an essential hedonistic aspect of the aesthetic way of life. For the aesthete, one constantly changes what one is doing in order to maximize the enjoyment and pleasure derived from each activity.
In contexts where one is confined, spatially or otherwise, boredom may be met with various religious activities, not because religion would want to associate itself with tedium, but rather, partly because boredom may be taken as the essential human condition, to which God, wisdom, or morality are the ultimate answers. It is taken in this sense by virtually all existentialist philosophers as well as by Arthur Schopenhauer.
Martin Heidegger wrote about boredom in two texts available in English, in the 1929/30 semester lecture course The Fundamental Concepts of Metaphysics, and again in the essay What is Metaphysics? published in the same year. In the lecture, Heidegger included about 100 pages on boredom, probably the most extensive philosophical treatment ever of the subject. He focused on waiting at railway stations in particular as a major context of boredom.[26] Søren Kierkegaard remarks in Either/Or that "patience cannot be depicted" visually, since there is a sense that any immediate moment of life may be fundamentally tedious.
Blaise Pascal in the Pensées discusses the human condition in saying "we seek rest in a struggle against some obstacles. And when we have overcome these, rest proves unbearable because of the boredom it produces", and later states that "only an infinite and immutable object – that is, God himself – can fill this infinite abyss."[27]
Without stimulus or focus, the individual is confronted with nothingness, the meaninglessness of existence, and experiences existential anxiety. Heidegger states this idea as follows: "Profound boredom, drifting here and there in the abysses of our existence like a muffling fog, removes all things and men and oneself along with it into a remarkable indifference. This boredom reveals being as a whole."[28] Schopenhauer used the existence of boredom in an attempt to prove the vanity of human existence, stating, "...for if life, in the desire for which our essence and existence consists, possessed in itself a positive value and real content, there would be no such thing as boredom: mere existence would fulfil and satisfy us."[29]
Erich Fromm and other thinkers of critical theory speak of boredom as a common psychological response to industrial society, where people are required to engage in alienated labor. According to Fromm, boredom is "perhaps the most important source of aggression and destructiveness today." For Fromm, the search for thrills and novelty that characterizes consumer culture are not solutions to boredom, but mere distractions from boredom which, he argues, continues unconsciously.[30] Above and beyond taste and character, the universal case of boredom consists in any instance of waiting, as Heidegger noted, such as in line, for someone else to arrive or finish a task, or while one is travelling somewhere. The automobile requires fast reflexes, making its operator busy and hence, perhaps for other reasons as well, making the ride more tedious despite being over sooner.
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posted 20 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
LQ, I got back to you on your article about the fire, please find the link below. Tyke what do you make about the fire? a real revelation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361138
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It is a fascinating subject. I am still more inclined to believe it was due to rather poor steel quality that made it brittle below 0 c, and that the rivets ( or some of them,the iron ones made by cheap,unskilled labour ) all combined to allow the hull plates to rip apart,letting more water in.
With higher quality steel,the hull would have bent more,rather than cracking,and with quality all steel rivets,the plates would have stayed fixed together. I'm sure 2 or 3 compartments would still have flooded,but the Titanic was designed to stay afloat with 3 or even 4 flooded compartments.
I don't think the fire would have heated the steel enough to weaken it, that would take some doing!, but the excessive speed due to the manic shoveling to get the burning coal out of the way certainly didn't help!
All in all it was a sort of 'perfect storm'. From the company,the money men and all the individual mistakes to just pure bad luck.
I did hear there some vital witness statements from a fireman that was supressed at the inquest though. As in all these major disasters, things are hidden to protect the ( wealthy ) guilty!
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It certainly is a fascinating thing, particularly in the context of maritime law, and the systems of control set up to catch the people like fish through fraud, subterfuge, and outright lies. The various sleights of hand perpetrated by crafty lawyers and the change from the common law over to maritime law that took place many moons ago. Those changes allowed the courts to take control of commerce on land as it does on the seas, humans themselves are now considered like vessels on the seas. I want to know all the information that lurks on the floor of our oceans. That is a great assessment of the facts Tyke and I agree with you, also the national coal strike of 1912, the first national strike by coal miners in Britain played its part and the new information about the surpassed fireman statements was very interesting.
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 6 hours, 35 minutes ago
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
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Now that would have been even more tragic in many ways. Not for the survivors of course, but imagine the conspiracy theories? Doesn't bear thinking about.
In other news, a 5-0 away win at Stoke on Saturday is on the cards. Although it will still be 0-0 in the 75th minute!
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
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We would never have seen jack An Rose and had our hearts destroyed
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
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We would never have seen jack An Rose and had our hearts destroyed
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It would have been an enormous unknown loss to the world, it is unthinkable, it's a blessing and a privilege we can live on this planet and witness them fall in love 😍 and learn more about Britains seafearing history. Arsenal go to Anfield next week and maybe they will stay in the Titanic hotel like Chelsea did when they played Everton away last season, with maybe one or two new signings in the week for Arsenal it's quite likely Arsenal will go searching for an away victory.
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posted on 12/8/17
The largest self-propelled man-made object ever built.
posted on 13/8/17
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
posted on 13/8/17
The Arsenal/Titanic thing is brilliant.
posted on 13/8/17
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
posted on 13/8/17
The Post, I don't see the connection or how they're related to be honest. But Manchester United have some links in regards to the ship on their badge which represents the Manchester Ship Canal which helped Manchester to facilitate trade and other business opportunities at the same time as Titanic was designed, built and set sail. Also Man Utd have a unique disaster that was caused by ice. Although the crash was originally blamed on pilot error, it was subsequently found to have been caused by slush towards the end of the runway.
posted on 13/8/17
Man Utd also have a little picture of Titanic on their kit.
https://pics.me.me/they-said-i-could-become-anything-adidas-so-i-became-5706131.png
posted on 14/8/17
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me to find some wealthy people paying huge sums to 'acquire' items from the Titanic to add to their private collections.This a worry. Or am I being paranoid!?
posted on 14/8/17
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 16 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me to find some wealthy people paying huge sums to 'acquire' items from the Titanic to add to their private collections.This a worry. Or am I being paranoid!?
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After Ballard and his team located the ship, they returned in July of 1986 to explore the wreck in three-person submersibles. The team took pictures to document the ship's condition and investigate its sinking, but recovered no artifacts. In fact, the team left a commemorative plaque requesting that the site be left undisturbed as a memorial to the dead.
posted on 14/8/17
LQ, I got back to you on your article about the fire, please find the link below. Tyke what do you make about the fire? a real revelation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361138
posted on 15/8/17
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 16 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 6 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 13 hours, 15 minutes ago
646,642 tonsTitanic was once the biggest but I do reluctantly concede there might've been bigger ships since then. Hard to imagine those cranes could lift Titanic, that is insane. Do you think it would be physically possible to raise the Titanic anymore? Or has that ship sailed? Great to be back and start with a win.4-3to the Arsenal
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It would be incredible to raise the Titanic! I'm sure it would be possible too, albeit in more than one piece. Cost and ethics would be the main stumbling blocks though.She will live on forever though in stories and on the best football forums of course!
Back to the Arsenal,joint top of the league, top scorers and Chelsea can be crossed off the list of teams who might just try to match our unbeaten season. ( Although that would be a bit like being the second man on the moon) All good so far!
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Deep sea explorers have documented caved-in roofs, weakening decks, a stern perhaps on the edge of collapse, and the disappearance of Titanic's crow's nest from which lookout Frederick Fleet spotted history's most infamous iceberg. Everyone has their own opinion as to how long Titanic will remain intact. Some people think the bow will collapse in a year or two, but others say it's still going to be there for hundreds of years. Back to the Premier League and it's looking good for the Gunners near the very top, a really nice view from up here.
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You know, it wouldn't surprise me to find some wealthy people paying huge sums to 'acquire' items from the Titanic to add to their private collections.This a worry. Or am I being paranoid!?
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Precious items recovered from the world's most famously doomed ocean liner are up for sale. The salvage rights to the Titanic and more than 5,500 items recovered from the deep went up for sale in July, as the company that owns 'the rights' works through bankruptcy.
posted on 15/8/17
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
LQ, I got back to you on your article about the fire, please find the link below. Tyke what do you make about the fire? a real revelation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361138
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It is a fascinating subject. I am still more inclined to believe it was due to rather poor steel quality that made it brittle below 0 c, and that the rivets ( or some of them,the iron ones made by cheap,unskilled labour ) all combined to allow the hull plates to rip apart,letting more water in.
With higher quality steel,the hull would have bent more,rather than cracking,and with quality all steel rivets,the plates would have stayed fixed together. I'm sure 2 or 3 compartments would still have flooded,but the Titanic was designed to stay afloat with 3 or even 4 flooded compartments.
I don't think the fire would have heated the steel enough to weaken it, that would take some doing!, but the excessive speed due to the manic shoveling to get the burning coal out of the way certainly didn't help!
All in all it was a sort of 'perfect storm'. From the company,the money men and all the individual mistakes to just pure bad luck.
I did hear there some vital witness statements from a fireman that was supressed at the inquest though. As in all these major disasters, things are hidden to protect the ( wealthy ) guilty!
posted on 16/8/17
The majority of people do not give a crap about some ship that sunk 100 years ago. Choice City on the other hand enjoys jacking off to its sinking
posted on 16/8/17
Alright Bob Waanky online at 2am oh no please don't accuse me of 'jacking off' to 'a ship' daft wannabe American discussing your virginity at length with other men on here
The funny thing is, you're the one up at 2am taking about Titanic.
posted on 16/8/17
Titanic, moreover, has become the preferred trope for analogous catastrophes. It has become a part of our mythology, firmly entrenched in the collective consciousness.
posted on 16/8/17
bit of an overreaction
posted on 16/8/17
The majority of people do not give a crap about Arsenal FC mate, or anything in particular, but if you think what you talk about on here is more compelling than the greatest story ever told than you're wrong. What do you think about an exact replica being built in China?
posted on 16/8/17
I do not actually give a crap about the replica. I have no interest in such a boring story.
posted on 16/8/17
You do have an interest in it, no interest is a type of interest.
posted on 16/8/17
It's really important to reach out to people like you and inspire them, people with a low level of interest in the replica just need to be shown the joy in knowing about this and to be encouraged to learn more
posted on 16/8/17
Boredom is a condition characterized by perception of one's environment as dull, tedious, and lacking in stimulation. This can result from leisure and a lack of aesthetic interests. Labor and art may be alienated and passive, or immersed in tedium. There is an inherent anxiety in boredom; people will expend considerable effort to prevent or remedy it, yet in many circumstances, it is accepted as suffering to be endured. Common passive ways to escape boredom are to sleep or to think creative thoughts (daydream). Typical active solutions consist in an intentional activity of some sort, often something new, as familiarity and repetition lead to the tedious.
1916 Rea Irvin illustration depicting a bore putting her audience to sleep
During the fin de siècle, the French term for the end of the 19th century in the West, some of the cultural hallmarks included "ennui", cynicism, pessimism, and "...a widespread belief that civilization leads to decadence."[25]
Boredom also plays a role in existentialist thought. Søren Kierkegaard and Friedrich Nietzsche were two of the first philosophers considered fundamental to the existentialist movement. Like Pascal, they were interested in people's quiet struggle with the apparent meaninglessness of life and the use of diversion to escape from boredom. Kierkegaard's Either/Or describes the rotation method, a method used by higher level aesthetes in order to avoid boredom. The method is an essential hedonistic aspect of the aesthetic way of life. For the aesthete, one constantly changes what one is doing in order to maximize the enjoyment and pleasure derived from each activity.
In contexts where one is confined, spatially or otherwise, boredom may be met with various religious activities, not because religion would want to associate itself with tedium, but rather, partly because boredom may be taken as the essential human condition, to which God, wisdom, or morality are the ultimate answers. It is taken in this sense by virtually all existentialist philosophers as well as by Arthur Schopenhauer.
Martin Heidegger wrote about boredom in two texts available in English, in the 1929/30 semester lecture course The Fundamental Concepts of Metaphysics, and again in the essay What is Metaphysics? published in the same year. In the lecture, Heidegger included about 100 pages on boredom, probably the most extensive philosophical treatment ever of the subject. He focused on waiting at railway stations in particular as a major context of boredom.[26] Søren Kierkegaard remarks in Either/Or that "patience cannot be depicted" visually, since there is a sense that any immediate moment of life may be fundamentally tedious.
Blaise Pascal in the Pensées discusses the human condition in saying "we seek rest in a struggle against some obstacles. And when we have overcome these, rest proves unbearable because of the boredom it produces", and later states that "only an infinite and immutable object – that is, God himself – can fill this infinite abyss."[27]
Without stimulus or focus, the individual is confronted with nothingness, the meaninglessness of existence, and experiences existential anxiety. Heidegger states this idea as follows: "Profound boredom, drifting here and there in the abysses of our existence like a muffling fog, removes all things and men and oneself along with it into a remarkable indifference. This boredom reveals being as a whole."[28] Schopenhauer used the existence of boredom in an attempt to prove the vanity of human existence, stating, "...for if life, in the desire for which our essence and existence consists, possessed in itself a positive value and real content, there would be no such thing as boredom: mere existence would fulfil and satisfy us."[29]
Erich Fromm and other thinkers of critical theory speak of boredom as a common psychological response to industrial society, where people are required to engage in alienated labor. According to Fromm, boredom is "perhaps the most important source of aggression and destructiveness today." For Fromm, the search for thrills and novelty that characterizes consumer culture are not solutions to boredom, but mere distractions from boredom which, he argues, continues unconsciously.[30] Above and beyond taste and character, the universal case of boredom consists in any instance of waiting, as Heidegger noted, such as in line, for someone else to arrive or finish a task, or while one is travelling somewhere. The automobile requires fast reflexes, making its operator busy and hence, perhaps for other reasons as well, making the ride more tedious despite being over sooner.
posted on 16/8/17
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 20 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
LQ, I got back to you on your article about the fire, please find the link below. Tyke what do you make about the fire? a real revelation.
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/361138
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It is a fascinating subject. I am still more inclined to believe it was due to rather poor steel quality that made it brittle below 0 c, and that the rivets ( or some of them,the iron ones made by cheap,unskilled labour ) all combined to allow the hull plates to rip apart,letting more water in.
With higher quality steel,the hull would have bent more,rather than cracking,and with quality all steel rivets,the plates would have stayed fixed together. I'm sure 2 or 3 compartments would still have flooded,but the Titanic was designed to stay afloat with 3 or even 4 flooded compartments.
I don't think the fire would have heated the steel enough to weaken it, that would take some doing!, but the excessive speed due to the manic shoveling to get the burning coal out of the way certainly didn't help!
All in all it was a sort of 'perfect storm'. From the company,the money men and all the individual mistakes to just pure bad luck.
I did hear there some vital witness statements from a fireman that was supressed at the inquest though. As in all these major disasters, things are hidden to protect the ( wealthy ) guilty!
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It certainly is a fascinating thing, particularly in the context of maritime law, and the systems of control set up to catch the people like fish through fraud, subterfuge, and outright lies. The various sleights of hand perpetrated by crafty lawyers and the change from the common law over to maritime law that took place many moons ago. Those changes allowed the courts to take control of commerce on land as it does on the seas, humans themselves are now considered like vessels on the seas. I want to know all the information that lurks on the floor of our oceans. That is a great assessment of the facts Tyke and I agree with you, also the national coal strike of 1912, the first national strike by coal miners in Britain played its part and the new information about the surpassed fireman statements was very interesting.
posted on 16/8/17
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
posted on 17/8/17
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 6 hours, 35 minutes ago
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
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Now that would have been even more tragic in many ways. Not for the survivors of course, but imagine the conspiracy theories? Doesn't bear thinking about.
In other news, a 5-0 away win at Stoke on Saturday is on the cards. Although it will still be 0-0 in the 75th minute!
posted on 17/8/17
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
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We would never have seen jack An Rose and had our hearts destroyed
posted on 20/8/17
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Choice City (U6187)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
Before wireless, ship to ship communications relied on the primitive technologies of the human shout, a few flares or maybe just a flag. Without the newly invented marconigram messages Titanic WAS able to send, the whole thing would've been a massive ghost story, imagine if it had just 'vanished'.
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We would never have seen jack An Rose and had our hearts destroyed
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It would have been an enormous unknown loss to the world, it is unthinkable, it's a blessing and a privilege we can live on this planet and witness them fall in love 😍 and learn more about Britains seafearing history. Arsenal go to Anfield next week and maybe they will stay in the Titanic hotel like Chelsea did when they played Everton away last season, with maybe one or two new signings in the week for Arsenal it's quite likely Arsenal will go searching for an away victory.
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