How was his passing/decision making though?
Genuine question, as I missed the game.
Dont know why he would want to play in the middle hes a wide player, his passing is not good enough to play in the middle. There was a moment in the game that perfectly illustrated him he went past about three players but when it came to making a pass he passed it straight to the opposition. He's talented but the end product isnt there more often than not, he's a frustrating player.
Should be starting at rwb really. Better going forward than Bellerin, and not much worse defensively.
Ox was piiiiiiss poor for me until he changed to the right side.
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Ox was piiiiiiss poor for me until he changed to the right side.
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Agree with you, should be played on the right, and should be our first pick as rwb
Ox was same old same old, he has good pace, effective but no end product, were a few occasions he shot when he had opportunities to work the ball and the shots were miles wide or over the bar. He really needs to work on this!
Each time I hear Arsenal fans talk about Ox it seems to be about how he is strongest in a different position on the pitch to where he played before. Doesn't this hit home how inconsistent he is?
Good dribbling when there's space to dribble into but his end product is still poor.
FB/WB suits him because he has plenty of space to dribble into and to take out a couple of players before passing to someone better for the hard part.
Average player who hasn't progressed. All huff and puff. Don't see the fuss with the guy.
comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Ox was same old same old, he has good pace, effective but no end product, were a few occasions he shot when he had opportunities to work the ball and the shots were miles wide or over the bar. He really needs to work on this!
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He's been watching pogba!
I don't understand why he hasn't progressed in terms of his shooting. Everything else is either there or not far off but his shooting is abominable. I can't help thinking he must just not practice it.
This is something that irks me about Wenger. He never seems to focus any of our players on developing their weakness it's bizarre. For at least 20% of every training session, the following should be going on.
Ozil - dribbling drills and toe-poke, ball stealing tackle practice.
Ox - shooting practice
Xhaka and Coq can pair off Coq can teach Xhaka how to tackle and Xhaka can help him with passing.
The back line is easy CORNERS!!!
Theo - WEIGHTS to stop bein so flimsy. Can gain a stone and still be lightening quick so crack on
It's as though these common sense "strengthen weakness in my game" things jist don't happen at Arsenal. Which makes no sense given that we've seen the same manager develop weakness out of plenty of others.
Good player who can become exceptional if played consistently in rwb position. Those calling him poor or average don't know what they're saying.
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't understand why he hasn't progressed in terms of his shooting. Everything else is either there or not far off but his shooting is abominable. I can't help thinking he must just not practice it.
This is something that irks me about Wenger. He never seems to focus any of our players on developing their weakness it's bizarre. For at least 20% of every training session, the following should be going on.
Ozil - dribbling drills and toe-poke, ball stealing tackle practice.
Ox - shooting practice
Xhaka and Coq can pair off Coq can teach Xhaka how to tackle and Xhaka can help him with passing.
The back line is easy CORNERS!!!
Theo - WEIGHTS to stop bein so flimsy. Can gain a stone and still be lightening quick so crack on
It's as though these common sense "strengthen weakness in my game" things jist don't happen at Arsenal. Which makes no sense given that we've seen the same manager develop weakness out of plenty of others.
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What about Ramsey developing excellent touch? What about Wilshere staying fit?
Giroud becoming quicker?
Fact of the matter is, these guys just aren't very good. Wenger being a trash manager just exacerbates things.
comment by Dux (U6467)
posted 1 minute ago
Good player who can become exceptional if played consistently in rwb position. Those calling him poor or average don't know what they're saying.
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The fact that he was demoted to the RB shows he isn't a good footballer.
Bar pace and decent strength, Ox has little else going for him.
No way, he should be starting for Arsenal weekly.
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Each time I hear Arsenal fans talk about Ox it seems to be about how he is strongest in a different position on the pitch to where he played before. Doesn't this hit home how inconsistent he is?
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Na, just to how Wenger keeps pishing about moving him around. His best position is CM/CAM but he has weaknesses in the role. Wenger will put him in, he plays well generally but gets yanked the second he struggles in a game and stuck back on the wing. IMO he's at the point where he needs to be left in the role to adjust his game to it. Impossible whilst the MF has to carry Ozil in defence. With Ozil in MF too, his weakass defending means any mistake by Ox gets punished hard by the opposition.
I wouldn't say being played as a wing means Ox isn't a good footballer. Its more that he has found his niche. Oxo passing has never got better. If it had he would be playing in the middle of the pitch not as a wing back. But Oxo has a great pair of lungs and man does he have power. Which is why he worth a new contract. Not sure what the position of that is.
Is Oxo the new right back? Will his passing ever improve enough to partner Xhaka in the middle? Questions Wenger has to answer.
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Each time I hear Arsenal fans talk about Ox it seems to be about how he is strongest in a different position on the pitch to where he played before. Doesn't this hit home how inconsistent he is?
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Na, just to how Wenger keeps pishing about moving him around. His best position is CM/CAM but he has weaknesses in the role. Wenger will put him in, he plays well generally but gets yanked the second he struggles in a game and stuck back on the wing. IMO he's at the point where he needs to be left in the role to adjust his game to it. Impossible whilst the MF has to carry Ozil in defence. With Ozil in MF too, his weakass defending means any mistake by Ox gets punished hard by the opposition.
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Ox as a CM? Lmao. Guy can barely hold the ball on the flanks, and you think it would be a good idea to have him playing regularly in the middle of the park?
Did you how terrible Elneny was last night. Now stick Ox there and x2 that performance.
Makes it all the more amusing that you have it out for Ozil (even though he is a coward too).
Those too Dubbed, post was just long already. It should be everyone in the team all working on his own individual weaknesses. The only players who have improved weak elements in their game in 10 years are Theo and Kos. Both are hampered only by injury and both are, "In form" invaluable. But I get the feeling that's more to do with their personal work ethic and desire to be better rather than a team training policy. They made themselves better players with the club's help.
Sorry. Kos I can agree with. Walcott is garbage though.
I can only speak to the performances I've seen. All of the outstanding performances by Ox have been in the centre of the pitch, not on the wing. Yes he's looked good on the wing at times but he's only ever produced "Superstar potential" performances in the middle.
He's too pacey for his own good. Because his speed is the only reason his MF potential is overlooked. You don't/shouldn't waste players equally capable on the ball with either foot, out on the wing. Not when you have a MF of players who are all one sided. The only weaknesses Ox has in the centre, he needs to play there to deal with. And if we had a stronger MF around him then we could afford the luxury of the mistakes he would make in the process of learning.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sorry. Kos I can agree with. Walcott is garbage though.
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Oh give over man. Yes he's paper flimsy so gets injured half every season but he's spent enough time in form that any Gooner not named Garwood should at least give him the due of massively improving himself as s player. He's a cracking player that injury has stopped from truly shining.
It's funny RVP scored less 20 in half seasons being injured every year and most Arsenal fans kissed his ass for it, testifying to how quality he was and staunchly agreed to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he could get 30 if he could just stay fit all season. Walcott gets near 20 in half a season every year too...from the bloody wing! But he's chopped liver. If he csn match/better RVP's half season injured stats then theres no reason not to assume that he csn match/better them given the same extended run of fitness and form. Everybody knows how lethal he can be. It's only injury which stops him and tbh you've all moaned enough over the years as as season starts to tank when he does get injured, to give him a little more credit. He's done more to earn it than that RVP ever did.
"It's funny RVP scored less 20 in half seasons being injured every year and most Arsenal fans kissed his ass for it, testifying to how quality he was and staunchly agreed to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he could get 30 if he could just stay fit all season. Walcott gets near 20 in half a season every year too...from the bloody wing! But he's chopped liver. If he csn match/better RVP's half season injured stats then theres no reason not to assume that he csn match/better them given the same extended run of fitness and form. Everybody knows how lethal he can be. It's only injury which stops him and tbh you've all moaned enough over the years as as season starts to tank when he does get injured, to give him a little more credit. He's done more to earn it than that RVP ever did."
Wow. Deluuuuuded ain't the word. Wow. Wow.
Lol do you guys still think Ox is a good CM
What you wowing at Dubbed? Have you forgotten which player it was tearing LBs a new one to put a big chunk of RVP's goals on a plate for him. Or did you not watch those games? Or are you deluded enough to think RVP got them all by himself?
RVP always had something about. Every man and his dog could see the guy was a top player (if he could curb all those injuries).
On the other hand, Walcott is just a useful player at best. Limited pace merchant.
Any other manager would have thrown him to the wolves ages ago.
He is another Giroud, in that he plays one way.
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posted on 12/8/17
How was his passing/decision making though?
Genuine question, as I missed the game.
posted on 12/8/17
Dont know why he would want to play in the middle hes a wide player, his passing is not good enough to play in the middle. There was a moment in the game that perfectly illustrated him he went past about three players but when it came to making a pass he passed it straight to the opposition. He's talented but the end product isnt there more often than not, he's a frustrating player.
posted on 12/8/17
Should be starting at rwb really. Better going forward than Bellerin, and not much worse defensively.
posted on 12/8/17
Ox was piiiiiiss poor for me until he changed to the right side.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 7 minutes ago
Ox was piiiiiiss poor for me until he changed to the right side.
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Agree with you, should be played on the right, and should be our first pick as rwb
posted on 12/8/17
Ox was same old same old, he has good pace, effective but no end product, were a few occasions he shot when he had opportunities to work the ball and the shots were miles wide or over the bar. He really needs to work on this!
posted on 12/8/17
Each time I hear Arsenal fans talk about Ox it seems to be about how he is strongest in a different position on the pitch to where he played before. Doesn't this hit home how inconsistent he is?
posted on 12/8/17
Good dribbling when there's space to dribble into but his end product is still poor.
FB/WB suits him because he has plenty of space to dribble into and to take out a couple of players before passing to someone better for the hard part.
posted on 12/8/17
Average player who hasn't progressed. All huff and puff. Don't see the fuss with the guy.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Ox was same old same old, he has good pace, effective but no end product, were a few occasions he shot when he had opportunities to work the ball and the shots were miles wide or over the bar. He really needs to work on this!
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He's been watching pogba!
posted on 12/8/17
I don't understand why he hasn't progressed in terms of his shooting. Everything else is either there or not far off but his shooting is abominable. I can't help thinking he must just not practice it.
This is something that irks me about Wenger. He never seems to focus any of our players on developing their weakness it's bizarre. For at least 20% of every training session, the following should be going on.
Ozil - dribbling drills and toe-poke, ball stealing tackle practice.
Ox - shooting practice
Xhaka and Coq can pair off Coq can teach Xhaka how to tackle and Xhaka can help him with passing.
The back line is easy CORNERS!!!
Theo - WEIGHTS to stop bein so flimsy. Can gain a stone and still be lightening quick so crack on
It's as though these common sense "strengthen weakness in my game" things jist don't happen at Arsenal. Which makes no sense given that we've seen the same manager develop weakness out of plenty of others.
posted on 12/8/17
Good player who can become exceptional if played consistently in rwb position. Those calling him poor or average don't know what they're saying.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't understand why he hasn't progressed in terms of his shooting. Everything else is either there or not far off but his shooting is abominable. I can't help thinking he must just not practice it.
This is something that irks me about Wenger. He never seems to focus any of our players on developing their weakness it's bizarre. For at least 20% of every training session, the following should be going on.
Ozil - dribbling drills and toe-poke, ball stealing tackle practice.
Ox - shooting practice
Xhaka and Coq can pair off Coq can teach Xhaka how to tackle and Xhaka can help him with passing.
The back line is easy CORNERS!!!
Theo - WEIGHTS to stop bein so flimsy. Can gain a stone and still be lightening quick so crack on
It's as though these common sense "strengthen weakness in my game" things jist don't happen at Arsenal. Which makes no sense given that we've seen the same manager develop weakness out of plenty of others.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about Ramsey developing excellent touch? What about Wilshere staying fit?
Giroud becoming quicker?
Fact of the matter is, these guys just aren't very good. Wenger being a trash manager just exacerbates things.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by Dux (U6467)
posted 1 minute ago
Good player who can become exceptional if played consistently in rwb position. Those calling him poor or average don't know what they're saying.
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The fact that he was demoted to the RB shows he isn't a good footballer.
Bar pace and decent strength, Ox has little else going for him.
No way, he should be starting for Arsenal weekly.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Each time I hear Arsenal fans talk about Ox it seems to be about how he is strongest in a different position on the pitch to where he played before. Doesn't this hit home how inconsistent he is?
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Na, just to how Wenger keeps pishing about moving him around. His best position is CM/CAM but he has weaknesses in the role. Wenger will put him in, he plays well generally but gets yanked the second he struggles in a game and stuck back on the wing. IMO he's at the point where he needs to be left in the role to adjust his game to it. Impossible whilst the MF has to carry Ozil in defence. With Ozil in MF too, his weakass defending means any mistake by Ox gets punished hard by the opposition.
posted on 12/8/17
I wouldn't say being played as a wing means Ox isn't a good footballer. Its more that he has found his niche. Oxo passing has never got better. If it had he would be playing in the middle of the pitch not as a wing back. But Oxo has a great pair of lungs and man does he have power. Which is why he worth a new contract. Not sure what the position of that is.
Is Oxo the new right back? Will his passing ever improve enough to partner Xhaka in the middle? Questions Wenger has to answer.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Each time I hear Arsenal fans talk about Ox it seems to be about how he is strongest in a different position on the pitch to where he played before. Doesn't this hit home how inconsistent he is?
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Na, just to how Wenger keeps pishing about moving him around. His best position is CM/CAM but he has weaknesses in the role. Wenger will put him in, he plays well generally but gets yanked the second he struggles in a game and stuck back on the wing. IMO he's at the point where he needs to be left in the role to adjust his game to it. Impossible whilst the MF has to carry Ozil in defence. With Ozil in MF too, his weakass defending means any mistake by Ox gets punished hard by the opposition.
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Ox as a CM? Lmao. Guy can barely hold the ball on the flanks, and you think it would be a good idea to have him playing regularly in the middle of the park?
Did you how terrible Elneny was last night. Now stick Ox there and x2 that performance.
Makes it all the more amusing that you have it out for Ozil (even though he is a coward too).
posted on 12/8/17
Those too Dubbed, post was just long already. It should be everyone in the team all working on his own individual weaknesses. The only players who have improved weak elements in their game in 10 years are Theo and Kos. Both are hampered only by injury and both are, "In form" invaluable. But I get the feeling that's more to do with their personal work ethic and desire to be better rather than a team training policy. They made themselves better players with the club's help.
posted on 12/8/17
Sorry. Kos I can agree with. Walcott is garbage though.
posted on 12/8/17
I can only speak to the performances I've seen. All of the outstanding performances by Ox have been in the centre of the pitch, not on the wing. Yes he's looked good on the wing at times but he's only ever produced "Superstar potential" performances in the middle.
He's too pacey for his own good. Because his speed is the only reason his MF potential is overlooked. You don't/shouldn't waste players equally capable on the ball with either foot, out on the wing. Not when you have a MF of players who are all one sided. The only weaknesses Ox has in the centre, he needs to play there to deal with. And if we had a stronger MF around him then we could afford the luxury of the mistakes he would make in the process of learning.
posted on 12/8/17
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sorry. Kos I can agree with. Walcott is garbage though.
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Oh give over man. Yes he's paper flimsy so gets injured half every season but he's spent enough time in form that any Gooner not named Garwood should at least give him the due of massively improving himself as s player. He's a cracking player that injury has stopped from truly shining.
It's funny RVP scored less 20 in half seasons being injured every year and most Arsenal fans kissed his ass for it, testifying to how quality he was and staunchly agreed to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he could get 30 if he could just stay fit all season. Walcott gets near 20 in half a season every year too...from the bloody wing! But he's chopped liver. If he csn match/better RVP's half season injured stats then theres no reason not to assume that he csn match/better them given the same extended run of fitness and form. Everybody knows how lethal he can be. It's only injury which stops him and tbh you've all moaned enough over the years as as season starts to tank when he does get injured, to give him a little more credit. He's done more to earn it than that RVP ever did.
posted on 12/8/17
"It's funny RVP scored less 20 in half seasons being injured every year and most Arsenal fans kissed his ass for it, testifying to how quality he was and staunchly agreed to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he could get 30 if he could just stay fit all season. Walcott gets near 20 in half a season every year too...from the bloody wing! But he's chopped liver. If he csn match/better RVP's half season injured stats then theres no reason not to assume that he csn match/better them given the same extended run of fitness and form. Everybody knows how lethal he can be. It's only injury which stops him and tbh you've all moaned enough over the years as as season starts to tank when he does get injured, to give him a little more credit. He's done more to earn it than that RVP ever did."
Wow. Deluuuuuded ain't the word. Wow. Wow.
posted on 12/8/17
Lol do you guys still think Ox is a good CM
posted on 12/8/17
What you wowing at Dubbed? Have you forgotten which player it was tearing LBs a new one to put a big chunk of RVP's goals on a plate for him. Or did you not watch those games? Or are you deluded enough to think RVP got them all by himself?
posted on 12/8/17
RVP always had something about. Every man and his dog could see the guy was a top player (if he could curb all those injuries).
On the other hand, Walcott is just a useful player at best. Limited pace merchant.
Any other manager would have thrown him to the wolves ages ago.
He is another Giroud, in that he plays one way.
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