comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Believe Mustafi is going out on loan to Inter. Understand AFC are trying to insert a purchase clause into the loan deal.


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Absolutely pointless deal, honestly the club's on a self sabotaging mission. You wondered why I am so negative?
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Seems to be significant splits in regard to transfer policy. AW was never fully behind the purchase of StatDNA, and Mustafi, Gabriel, Perez all StatDNA players. All of whom being/have been moved on.

Of all three AFC bids for Lemar, I understand all were well below his asking price. LFC are believed to have bid considerably more, which Monaco also rejected. AFT have wasted much of this window chasing Lemar without even giving Monaco an offer to think about.

Transfer deadline day is going to be fun.
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They own the company?

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ok worst player who regularly plays...better yohan?
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Stones, Otamendi
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nope and nope. Otamendi was pretty good at the weekend aswell.
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Believe Mustafi is going out on loan to Inter. Understand AFC are trying to insert a purchase clause into the loan deal.


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Absolutely pointless deal, honestly the club's on a self sabotaging mission. You wondered why I am so negative?
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Seems to be significant splits in regard to transfer policy. AW was never fully behind the purchase of StatDNA, and Mustafi, Gabriel, Perez all StatDNA players. All of whom being/have been moved on.

Of all three AFC bids for Lemar, I understand all were well below his asking price. LFC are believed to have bid considerably more, which Monaco also rejected. AFT have wasted much of this window chasing Lemar without even giving Monaco an offer to think about.

Transfer deadline day is going to be fun.
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So basically you saying Mustafi, Gabriel and Perez were bought because their stats were good. so these purchases were done against Wenger's wish? So board or Kroenke approved their purchase. So why Kroenke or board now approving their sell or did approve their sell within such a short period?

Now 1+1 is making 2, theory about sabotage looks plausible with above then isn't it? Wenger never wanted those players but club bought them and Wenger stuffed them by giving very little opportunity barring Mustafi. Also why board went against Wenger's wishes?

haha either way my point is you'd be getting sterling that's enough for me.

You think the boys on AFTV get on ramsey or ozil, wait unil you sign mr.wasteful

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Believe Mustafi is going out on loan to Inter. Understand AFC are trying to insert a purchase clause into the loan deal.


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Absolutely pointless deal, honestly the club's on a self sabotaging mission. You wondered why I am so negative?
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Seems to be significant splits in regard to transfer policy. AW was never fully behind the purchase of StatDNA, and Mustafi, Gabriel, Perez all StatDNA players. All of whom being/have been moved on.

Of all three AFC bids for Lemar, I understand all were well below his asking price. LFC are believed to have bid considerably more, which Monaco also rejected. AFT have wasted much of this window chasing Lemar without even giving Monaco an offer to think about.

Transfer deadline day is going to be fun.
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They own the company?
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Sorry, meant Mustafi, Gabriel, and Perez were all purchased using mainly StatDNA analytics.

Read a good piece on Gabriel that whilst his numbers were very good (in light of market value) the human factors were ignored.

In that regardless how good Gabriel's numbers were, he never learnt English and therefore had extremely limited on pitch communication.

comment by Whyalwaysme (U9900)
posted 7 minutes ago

Believe Mustafi is going out on loan to Inter. Understand AFC are trying to insert a purchase clause into the loan deal.


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Absolutely pointless deal, honestly the club's on a self sabotaging mission. You wondered why I am so negative?
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Seems to be significant splits in regard to transfer policy. AW was never fully behind the purchase of StatDNA, and Mustafi, Gabriel, Perez all StatDNA players. All of whom being/have been moved on.

Of all three AFC bids for Lemar, I understand all were well below his asking price. LFC are believed to have bid considerably more, which Monaco also rejected. AFT have wasted much of this window chasing Lemar without even giving Monaco an offer to think about.

Transfer deadline day is going to be fun.
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So basically you saying Mustafi, Gabriel and Perez were bought because their stats were good. so these purchases were done against Wenger's wish? So board or Kroenke approved their purchase. So why Kroenke or board now approving their sell or did approve their sell within such a short period?

Now 1+1 is making 2, theory about sabotage looks plausible with above then isn't it? Wenger never wanted those players but club bought them and Wenger stuffed them by giving very little opportunity barring Mustafi. Also why board went against Wenger's wishes?
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Don’t think anything at arsenal happens without AW’s say so. Just believe there are substantial differences in transfer policy.

All very speculative but believe the club have been a lot more willing to commit resources into to StatDNA purchases than others.

Sterling wouldn't be a bad player to come in but would love it if they gave us Aguero as part of the deal

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 39 seconds ago
Sterling wouldn't be a bad player to come in but would love it if they gave us Aguero as part of the deal
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Yeah, he could play wing back

Sterling as a part of the deal? No thanks.
Why would Aguero want to join?

Shouldn't sell to City at all.

Normally I'd think having the chance to sign a highly-talented wide player who has a high ceiling and can fill a position that has needed strengthening for some time would be a good move. But AFC in its current state is absolutely not a good environment for Sterling, a player who needs very intense coaching and a successful playing system to function in. Neither of which Wenger can offer. AFC in recent years has been a graveyard for young talent, who usually end up impressing briefly as they break through, then stagnating due to a lack of discipline. Only players in the mould of Sanchez and Fabregas, players with high natural drive and self-confidence, can really develop to their full potential in spite of such a chaotic environment.

comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sterling as a part of the deal? No thanks.
Why would Aguero want to join?

Shouldn't sell to City at all.
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That's right mate its us all over

Augero and Sterling for Sanchez

Sorry, meant Mustafi, Gabriel, and Perez were all purchased using mainly StatDNA analytics.
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I understood that. My point was why would Arsenal buy StatDNA if Wenger was never convinced of their work. Even if its for some future manager or buying policy I think it strange. Why not just buy in data whenever needed. The manager has to be behind this sort of policy change. I am highly dubious of data led decisions without context. Football is a team game and so it is impossible to compare like for like. I think cricket is closest to baseball where all this moneyball started. And in cricket like baseball, the importance of proper scouting is becoming more and more important again. I suppose it all runs in cycles.

comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 4 minutes ago
Normally I'd think having the chance to sign a highly-talented wide player who has a high ceiling and can fill a position that has needed strengthening for some time would be a good move. But AFC in its current state is absolutely not a good environment for Sterling, a player who needs very intense coaching and a successful playing system to function in. Neither of which Wenger can offer. AFC in recent years has been a graveyard for young talent, who usually end up impressing briefly as they break through, then stagnating due to a lack of discipline. Only players in the mould of Sanchez and Fabregas, players with high natural drive and self-confidence, can really develop to their full potential in spite of such a chaotic environment.
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I think Sterling is beyond that age and may flourish in a less structured environment. Pep like Conte and Klopp are micro managers. They put a huge emphasis on player positioning and discipline. Sterling could work better with a less intensive culture like he had under Rodgers.

Jenius99

Have you seen the film Moneyball?

Not bad but that’s the same company AFC bought back in 2011/12. I watched a Q&A AW did with Fergie last year and (while not explicitly rebuffing analytics completely) he was more focused on more natural methods.

I suspect he thought the purchase of StatDNA could supplement existing transfer policy but it appears Gazidis (who drove the purchase) and AW do not see eye to eye.

Good article from a few years ago on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/30/arsene-wenger-gabriel-paulista-signing

comment by Raymond Reddington (U5041)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Us getting Sterling would really throw eggs into pool fans faces

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Why?

We sold him for £50m, if Man City are offering cash and Sterling it shows his value has declined..

Would be a typical Arsenal signing.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Raymond Reddington (U5041)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Us getting Sterling would really throw eggs into pool fans faces

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Why?

We sold him for £50m, if Man City are offering cash and Sterling it shows his value has declined..

Would be a typical Arsenal signing.
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It doesn't mean Sterling's value has declined. It means how Alexis value is sky high because he has proved he can score 30+ goals in a top league when deployed a position that Pep didn't do at Barca because of Messi. There are very few players like that in the world and Pep knows he will be priced out of any move when Alexis hits the open market and the likes of Madrid and PSG start bidding for his services.

Anyway there is a fashion nowdays to sell a player and re-sign him after few years !

What would Stuart Pearce do?

I have studied quantitative methods during my MBA. And I also have an advanced degree in algorithm design. I employ a few actuaries where this entire concept came from. The principle being that players change hands for such high sums then why aren't investment methods commonly used in the City also employed in sports that also involve massive investments.

The difference is that in sports there are far more variables and unknown quantities that can alter mathematical modelling. In my opinion the results become more and more meaningless unless you also match environments where these athletes operate. So these methods, in my opinion, completely negates the value of a good manager and a coach. Its where all of this falls down.

Of course it does.. Sanchez is £60m last year of his contract and age etc..

Still can't believe that Arsenal will sell to City when they still have to play them twice.

Facking mugs.

If we get aguero then we have actually strengthened this window. Top top class player, better than sanchez for us

Of course it does.. Sanchez is £60m last year of his contract and age etc..
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Because you say so? Do you think City can pay £400k a week that PSG are willing to do if he is on a free? The answer is NO. Bayern have already said they can't match what Arsenal are offering let alone PSG, Madrid etc, when he will be on a free.

This is why City are willing to move now whilst Arsenal can sell them the player even if it means they over pay.

People thinking Aguero would join are beyond deluded.

As for selling Sanchez to City? That is a no no.
If this Wenger clown sells him to them then I think people should riot.

I have no qualms with selling Sanchez. Just not to an English side.

Aguero to Arsenal? Even Sterling looks far fetched.

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