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comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I love how United fans crow about their trophies like they believe it is some kind of major achievement, in reality their success carries very little kudos, anything other than winning a trophy for them is failure. They take the mickey out of Spurs, a club that has a wage bill less than half of theirs and spends a tiny fraction of what they do on players. It`s quite sad.
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And for all of the moral high ground financially you now strive for has it been worth the wait for so long to even challenge for top 4 consistently? Fairly certain United were behind you when Ferguson took over.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Greavsie was pist for the majority of his career and played on mud with little protection from referees
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As was everyone else in the 60's footy culture. Strikers were still banging it in and Spurs were winning games 13-2 and 10-4 around 59/60/61 if I'm not mistaken. Some half-drunk, spaghetti legged unathletic defenders flying around into tackles doesn't seem to have stopped goals flying in.
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Conveniently picks out two games, one of which was a cup game, with about 70 places between the two clubs. what about all the 8 and 9 goals Barca and Real score against their cannon fodder year on year.
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Err, no. Nothing convenient in pointing out statistical differences between eras. I remember I once did a similar comparison when I was comparing Greaves' record to a different player, Henry, and showed that when weighted against the scoring records in their respective eras, Henry had more impressive stats. It is silly to simply say Player A in 1962 scored more than player B in 2002: therefore player A > player B. Like comparing the US Masters scores of Nicklaus with Tiger Woods without comparing how they measure with their contemporaries.
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Oh come on, I know you are biased, but Greaves piiissssssses all over Henry as a goalscorer. What are these impressive stats that make Henry better. Was it his goals for Red Bulls.
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 37 minutes ago
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
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So was Greaves, not only was he brilliant to watch, he scored far, far more goals than Henry ever did. Always difficult to compare eras, but whatever era Greaves had played in, he would have scored a hatful of goals. He was the most natural goalscorer I have ever seen.
Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein
Not sure if you 2 are high on something, but Jimmy Greaves is a class below Ronaldo de Lima. Comfortably. Comparing stats across eras is a bit silly as well. The 60's was a higher scoring era of football than the 90's and early 00's.
Not as high scoring as today`s gimmes in Spain, last six seasons goals scored La Liga for both Real and Barca
Real Madrid
2010-11 102
2011-12 121
2012-13 103
2013-14 104
2014-15 118
2015-16 110
Barca
2010-11 95
2011-12 114
2012-13 115
2013-14 100
2014-15 110
2015-16 112
Pretty well guaranteed a 100 goals in La Liga every season with the sub-stand opposition.
Scoring 100 goals in the top flight of English football is very, very difficult, even back in the 1960s was only ever achieved five times across the whole decade.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 37 minutes ago
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
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So was Greaves, not only was he brilliant to watch, he scored far, far more goals than Henry ever did. Always difficult to compare eras, but whatever era Greaves had played in, he would have scored a hatful of goals. He was the most natural goalscorer I have ever seen.
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Sandy no doubt he was , he was a bit before my time so only ever got to see him on YouTube, I'm also surprised that Glen Hoddle is not on that list , that guy could play football
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comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
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Maradona
The rest
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Coke addict and cheater
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That just makes him better in my eyes. I love coke it's a great drug, and I cheat at everything I do, only stupid people are honest.
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How do you cheat at cleaning toilets?
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 37 minutes ago
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
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So was Greaves, not only was he brilliant to watch, he scored far, far more goals than Henry ever did. Always difficult to compare eras, but whatever era Greaves had played in, he would have scored a hatful of goals. He was the most natural goalscorer I have ever seen.
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Sandy no doubt he was , he was a bit before my time so only ever got to see him on YouTube, I'm also surprised that Glen Hoddle is not on that list , that guy could play football
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Nice to see that you acknowledge Greaves as one of the all time great goalscorers, and not just dismiss him like Sheriff, who seems to think like playing in a bye-gone era was somehow easier than playing now. As I said always difficult to compare eras, but having watched football across seven decades, I think I am in a good position to at least give a reasonable opinion. I never saw Dixie Dean play, but he also has to come into the greatest ever goalscorer bracket, for his phenomenal amount of goals he scored in the English game.
Hoddle was indeed one of the great English players. Unfortunately he was also castigated during his playing career.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 10 hours, 6 minutes ago
Doesn't make it competitive though, Real and Barca have dominated, both clubs regularly whack teams 4,5 or 6 and their goal differences are insane, the quality of those 2 teams just makes it more likely that one of them will invariably win it,pretty much like the CL now,Madrid are so far ahead of the rest it's becoming easy for them
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I'm arguing nothing about "competitiveness" but "quality". The Moldovan league might be more competitive than the Premiership, but I don't see how that makes it a superior quality league. If you transplanted the Barca and Real teams that have been dominant in La Liga, they'd do the same here.
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Absolutely spot on sherriff. I'm still amazed by how many people still swallow sky's marketing, hook like and sinker. Do they not realise the PL is sky's biggest product, that of course they will make up things to promote it. It's in their interests.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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Not sure we are arguing about how good Barca and Real are, nobody mentioned that they are crap teams, but we are discussing the actual opposition they come up against in their domestic league. For both teams to continually score over 100 goals every season, doesn`t make a good case for La Liga being that competitive.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 11 hours, 37 minutes ago
Maradona could do things with a football, that Messi could only dream of.
Im sure even he would laugh at being told he was better than Diego Maradona.
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wtf is this
comment by Wahl Icht 🦄 (U21636)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
Messi nearly carried an average Argentina team to the World Cup 3 years ago. Aguero was injured iirc and Higs bottled it in big games. It was only really Messi they had and he came so close.
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Wahl, Messi has NEVER carried Argentina the way Maradona did.
To understand this, you would have to go back and watch their games when he was around.
OR
You can give more credit to the people who actually had the privilege of watching him in his day.
Distance yourself from the league of ignorant toads who don't know what the fack they're talking about. I know you're smarter than you like to make out.
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bad tardo (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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Not sure we are arguing about how good Barca and Real are, nobody mentioned that they are crap teams, but we are discussing the actual opposition they come up against in their domestic league. For both teams to continually score over 100 goals every season, doesn`t make a good case for La Liga being that competitive.
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There are still some very good teams in there, perhaps the bottom half of the table can be a little weak, but they'd still give the likes of Newcastle and West Brom a game. The top though, are better than our teams, for now anyway.
Pele isnt even in the best 10
Barça and Madrid havedominated the Champions League most of the last decade, the country's third side has made 2 CL finals, and a string of other teams have got themselves to the sharp end of Europe's second competition.
Meantime, time and again how PL sides get turned over by obscure European outfits if they play weakened sides in the EL, and even by lesser lights in the CL.
Differences are not that large if youlet your performances drop a tad.
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pele isnt even in the best 10
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jesus wept. Did you see any of the brazil teams from 58 to 70? had the best players in the world and pele was the best of them.
comment by Bad tardo (U19119)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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Never scored past Gigi Buffon
Where has the idea that the weaker teams in La Liga are weaker than the PL's weaker teams, come from? Because the best teams in that league dominate them? Hardly good evidence considering they're some of the best teams in Europe with some of the best players. Why wouldn't they be able to beat our weaker teams just as easily?
Top 10 in spain is probably better than top 10 in prem. If not it would be tight.
In fact look at the trophies english teams got in europe over last 15 years compared to spain
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comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I love how United fans crow about their trophies like they believe it is some kind of major achievement, in reality their success carries very little kudos, anything other than winning a trophy for them is failure. They take the mickey out of Spurs, a club that has a wage bill less than half of theirs and spends a tiny fraction of what they do on players. It`s quite sad.
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And for all of the moral high ground financially you now strive for has it been worth the wait for so long to even challenge for top 4 consistently? Fairly certain United were behind you when Ferguson took over.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 6 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 4 minutes ago
Greavsie was pist for the majority of his career and played on mud with little protection from referees
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As was everyone else in the 60's footy culture. Strikers were still banging it in and Spurs were winning games 13-2 and 10-4 around 59/60/61 if I'm not mistaken. Some half-drunk, spaghetti legged unathletic defenders flying around into tackles doesn't seem to have stopped goals flying in.
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Conveniently picks out two games, one of which was a cup game, with about 70 places between the two clubs. what about all the 8 and 9 goals Barca and Real score against their cannon fodder year on year.
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Err, no. Nothing convenient in pointing out statistical differences between eras. I remember I once did a similar comparison when I was comparing Greaves' record to a different player, Henry, and showed that when weighted against the scoring records in their respective eras, Henry had more impressive stats. It is silly to simply say Player A in 1962 scored more than player B in 2002: therefore player A > player B. Like comparing the US Masters scores of Nicklaus with Tiger Woods without comparing how they measure with their contemporaries.
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Oh come on, I know you are biased, but Greaves piiissssssses all over Henry as a goalscorer. What are these impressive stats that make Henry better. Was it his goals for Red Bulls.
posted on 8/9/17
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 37 minutes ago
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
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So was Greaves, not only was he brilliant to watch, he scored far, far more goals than Henry ever did. Always difficult to compare eras, but whatever era Greaves had played in, he would have scored a hatful of goals. He was the most natural goalscorer I have ever seen.
posted on 8/9/17
Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein
Not sure if you 2 are high on something, but Jimmy Greaves is a class below Ronaldo de Lima. Comfortably. Comparing stats across eras is a bit silly as well. The 60's was a higher scoring era of football than the 90's and early 00's.
Not as high scoring as today`s gimmes in Spain, last six seasons goals scored La Liga for both Real and Barca
Real Madrid
2010-11 102
2011-12 121
2012-13 103
2013-14 104
2014-15 118
2015-16 110
Barca
2010-11 95
2011-12 114
2012-13 115
2013-14 100
2014-15 110
2015-16 112
Pretty well guaranteed a 100 goals in La Liga every season with the sub-stand opposition.
Scoring 100 goals in the top flight of English football is very, very difficult, even back in the 1960s was only ever achieved five times across the whole decade.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 37 minutes ago
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
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So was Greaves, not only was he brilliant to watch, he scored far, far more goals than Henry ever did. Always difficult to compare eras, but whatever era Greaves had played in, he would have scored a hatful of goals. He was the most natural goalscorer I have ever seen.
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Sandy no doubt he was , he was a bit before my time so only ever got to see him on YouTube, I'm also surprised that Glen Hoddle is not on that list , that guy could play football
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 8 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
Maradona
The rest
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Coke addict and cheater
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That just makes him better in my eyes. I love coke it's a great drug, and I cheat at everything I do, only stupid people are honest.
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How do you cheat at cleaning toilets?
posted on 8/9/17
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 37 minutes ago
No Henry ? As much as I hate the woolwich lot that man was brilliant to watch.
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So was Greaves, not only was he brilliant to watch, he scored far, far more goals than Henry ever did. Always difficult to compare eras, but whatever era Greaves had played in, he would have scored a hatful of goals. He was the most natural goalscorer I have ever seen.
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Sandy no doubt he was , he was a bit before my time so only ever got to see him on YouTube, I'm also surprised that Glen Hoddle is not on that list , that guy could play football
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Nice to see that you acknowledge Greaves as one of the all time great goalscorers, and not just dismiss him like Sheriff, who seems to think like playing in a bye-gone era was somehow easier than playing now. As I said always difficult to compare eras, but having watched football across seven decades, I think I am in a good position to at least give a reasonable opinion. I never saw Dixie Dean play, but he also has to come into the greatest ever goalscorer bracket, for his phenomenal amount of goals he scored in the English game.
Hoddle was indeed one of the great English players. Unfortunately he was also castigated during his playing career.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 10 hours, 6 minutes ago
Doesn't make it competitive though, Real and Barca have dominated, both clubs regularly whack teams 4,5 or 6 and their goal differences are insane, the quality of those 2 teams just makes it more likely that one of them will invariably win it,pretty much like the CL now,Madrid are so far ahead of the rest it's becoming easy for them
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I'm arguing nothing about "competitiveness" but "quality". The Moldovan league might be more competitive than the Premiership, but I don't see how that makes it a superior quality league. If you transplanted the Barca and Real teams that have been dominant in La Liga, they'd do the same here.
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Absolutely spot on sherriff. I'm still amazed by how many people still swallow sky's marketing, hook like and sinker. Do they not realise the PL is sky's biggest product, that of course they will make up things to promote it. It's in their interests.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by Bad tardo (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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Not sure we are arguing about how good Barca and Real are, nobody mentioned that they are crap teams, but we are discussing the actual opposition they come up against in their domestic league. For both teams to continually score over 100 goals every season, doesn`t make a good case for La Liga being that competitive.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 11 hours, 37 minutes ago
Maradona could do things with a football, that Messi could only dream of.
Im sure even he would laugh at being told he was better than Diego Maradona.
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wtf is this
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comment by Wahl Icht 🦄 (U21636)
posted 11 hours, 42 minutes ago
Messi nearly carried an average Argentina team to the World Cup 3 years ago. Aguero was injured iirc and Higs bottled it in big games. It was only really Messi they had and he came so close.
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Wahl, Messi has NEVER carried Argentina the way Maradona did.
To understand this, you would have to go back and watch their games when he was around.
OR
You can give more credit to the people who actually had the privilege of watching him in his day.
Distance yourself from the league of ignorant toads who don't know what the fack they're talking about. I know you're smarter than you like to make out.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Bad tardo (U19119)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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Not sure we are arguing about how good Barca and Real are, nobody mentioned that they are crap teams, but we are discussing the actual opposition they come up against in their domestic league. For both teams to continually score over 100 goals every season, doesn`t make a good case for La Liga being that competitive.
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There are still some very good teams in there, perhaps the bottom half of the table can be a little weak, but they'd still give the likes of Newcastle and West Brom a game. The top though, are better than our teams, for now anyway.
posted on 8/9/17
Pele isnt even in the best 10
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Buffon
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Barça and Madrid havedominated the Champions League most of the last decade, the country's third side has made 2 CL finals, and a string of other teams have got themselves to the sharp end of Europe's second competition.
Meantime, time and again how PL sides get turned over by obscure European outfits if they play weakened sides in the EL, and even by lesser lights in the CL.
Differences are not that large if youlet your performances drop a tad.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pele isnt even in the best 10
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jesus wept. Did you see any of the brazil teams from 58 to 70? had the best players in the world and pele was the best of them.
posted on 8/9/17
comment by Bad tardo (U19119)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 hours, 32 minutes ago
Don
As I have said I rate Messi, but I don't particularly rate the Spanish league he has played his entire career in, same goes for Ronaldo. I think there are two or three decent teams, but the rest of the teams are more or less gimmes for Real and Barca. It is no coincidence that both are plundering goals at the same time in the same era.
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Aside from the fact he's played for a team far better than anything this country has ever offered and scored against everyone on the CL, dominating games. Aside from that he plays for a crap team in a crap league.
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Never scored past Gigi Buffon
posted on 8/9/17
Where has the idea that the weaker teams in La Liga are weaker than the PL's weaker teams, come from? Because the best teams in that league dominate them? Hardly good evidence considering they're some of the best teams in Europe with some of the best players. Why wouldn't they be able to beat our weaker teams just as easily?
posted on 8/9/17
Top 10 in spain is probably better than top 10 in prem. If not it would be tight.
posted on 8/9/17
In fact look at the trophies english teams got in europe over last 15 years compared to spain
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