Unfortunately just another example of the times back then, cover ups we're the norm, same things have happened in sports here.
Never liked old Turnip 'Ead myself,complete and utter numpty and a carp manager to boot!
It's no wonder Jimmy Saville thrived in those times it was all swept under the carpet and ignored,no accountability or responsibility whatsoever an absolute disgrace!
The article doesn't imply that Taylor was involved in anything to do with paedophelia. At worst he didn't make waves, which was the norm for the time. If you actually read the article you'll see that the allegations are against another member of the club's personnel. Taylor's name is being used because (a) he's dead, and (b) he's famous.
You have to learn how to interpret such articles before flying off on one.
Agreed that Taylor may not have done things correctly, but we're looking at this with hindsight.
Maybe you didn't like Taylor when he was here as a manager.
I still maintain Taylor was one of the best managers at the club in my lifetime. Up there with Mick, although he didn't manage to achieve promotion.
Taylor was a relation of mine
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
comment by Corrine (U16263)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
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Perton hasn't done anything that would instigate legal activity, but I do question why he has seized on this. Perhaps he will tell us what he thought of GT whilst he was a manager here.
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 41 minutes ago
The article doesn't imply that Taylor was involved in anything to do with paedophelia. At worst he didn't make waves, which was the norm for the time. If you actually read the article you'll see that the allegations are against another member of the club's personnel. Taylor's name is being used because (a) he's dead, and (b) he's famous.
You have to learn how to interpret such articles before flying off on one.
Agreed that Taylor may not have done things correctly, but we're looking at this with hindsight.
Maybe you didn't like Taylor when he was here as a manager.
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He turned a blind eye to what was gking on.
Nothing to do with what i thought of him as.
a manager.
comment by pertonwolf (U17284)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 41 minutes ago
The article doesn't imply that Taylor was involved in anything to do with paedophelia. At worst he didn't make waves, which was the norm for the time. If you actually read the article you'll see that the allegations are against another member of the club's personnel. Taylor's name is being used because (a) he's dead, and (b) he's famous.
You have to learn how to interpret such articles before flying off on one.
Agreed that Taylor may not have done things correctly, but we're looking at this with hindsight.
Maybe you didn't like Taylor when he was here as a manager.
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He turned a blind eye to what was gking on.
Nothing to do with what i thought of him as.
a manager.
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What did you think of him as a manager?
Whats that got to do with the article.
Dpnt you find this despicable.
The independent inquiry into football’s sexual-abuse scandal has heard claims that Graham Taylor, the former England manager, was involved in a cover-up at Aston Villa which led to other boys being exposed to a paedophile who was working for the club as a scout and later convicted of a string of offences over a 13-year period
I find it strange you are attacking me for pointing out something that is abhorrent, well it is to me.
comment by Corrine (U16263)
posted 56 minutes ago
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
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Hahahahaha.
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Corrine (U16263)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
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Perton hasn't done anything that would instigate legal activity, but I do question why he has seized on this. Perhaps he will tell us what he thought of GT whilst he was a manager here.
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The title is the problem. These are unproven allegations.
my own view is that in the circumstances this is not a suitable subject for our board
Struggled to read the article in full because its lunch time and I it was making me want to vomit, but it seems to me that what Taylor did was out of genuine concern for the player at the time. It was mid eighties, this would have been horrendous for the guy to have to deal with if it came out. Maybe GT could have done more, who knows, but the chances of keeping everything confidential back then would have been slim.
Everything I've heard and read about Taylor points to him having been a genuine and very well respected bloke who always had people best interests at heart, maybe he looked back with some regret on this chapter, but you can't bracket him with the filth that actually carried out the abuse.
No excuses. He should have spoken up and saved other boys from the sc um. Thats what pi55es me off about this.... he actually knew the boys were being abused and he could have stopped it.
if you had't noticed perton taylor is dead, so you wont be hurting him. who you will hurt is innocent family and relations one of whom is on this board.
i'm with wolfgang and one or two other commenters
IMO this is not a suitable thread for the board, and I don't think that it is right that people can say whatever they like about a man now that he is dead even though they only have limited details and as far as I know nothing has been corroborated or proven to be true.
don't get me wrong perton, if what has been alleged is true then GT has acted badly in my opinion. but we can't know what if anything was said over thirty years ago. I may have misunderstood the story as well, but it seems wrong that a complain is made about someone not coming forward at the appropriate time, but that complaint itself seems to have arisen after the target is dead and can't defend himself.
all things considered better to close this thread down because I can't see anything positive coming from people speculating about things they have limited knowledge of. we have enough of that on here with people commenting on football...
comment by Uli Fritz (U8869)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
if you had't noticed perton taylor is dead, so you wont be hurting him. who you will hurt is innocent family and relations one of whom is on this board.
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I know he's dead and obviously with that how could i hurt him. Im just amazed a man of his standing stood back and did nothing about a known paedophile abusing boys.
I think you've started a post to draw attention to yourself more than anything. Your continued comments perpetuating the thread, even though you've had advice to cool it, suggest you want to milk the story.
We don't know what happened. We do know that GT was an honourable guy. We can suspect that as this was in an era when paedophelia wasn't recognised, he may not have acted as we would have hoped today. If you're trying to make GT to look like a Jimmy Savile, then you're well wide of the mark.
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
I think you've started a post to draw attention to yourself more than anything. Your continued comments perpetuating the thread, even though you've had advice to cool it, suggest you want to milk the story.
We don't know what happened. We do know that GT was an honourable guy. We can suspect that as this was in an era when paedophelia wasn't recognised, he may not have acted as we would have hoped today. If you're trying to make GT to look like a Jimmy Savile, then you're well wide of the mark.
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To draw attention to myself..... what a absolute ridiculous statement.....
To be expected from you though.
As I've said before Bute using an era for an axcuse is abysmal, he should have stood up and said what was going on and nott let that sc um get away with it.
Oh and by the way no im not classing him in the same bracket as jimmy saville.
"Perton hasn't done anything that would instigate legal activity"
Not on this board but his activity with sheep and other farm animals may very well contravene the laws,not only of the land but those of common decency!
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posted on 13/9/17
Unfortunately just another example of the times back then, cover ups we're the norm, same things have happened in sports here.
posted on 13/9/17
Never liked old Turnip 'Ead myself,complete and utter numpty and a carp manager to boot!
posted on 13/9/17
It's no wonder Jimmy Saville thrived in those times it was all swept under the carpet and ignored,no accountability or responsibility whatsoever an absolute disgrace!
posted on 13/9/17
The article doesn't imply that Taylor was involved in anything to do with paedophelia. At worst he didn't make waves, which was the norm for the time. If you actually read the article you'll see that the allegations are against another member of the club's personnel. Taylor's name is being used because (a) he's dead, and (b) he's famous.
You have to learn how to interpret such articles before flying off on one.
Agreed that Taylor may not have done things correctly, but we're looking at this with hindsight.
Maybe you didn't like Taylor when he was here as a manager.
posted on 13/9/17
I still maintain Taylor was one of the best managers at the club in my lifetime. Up there with Mick, although he didn't manage to achieve promotion.
posted on 13/9/17
Taylor was a relation of mine
posted on 13/9/17
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
posted on 13/9/17
comment by Corrine (U16263)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
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Perton hasn't done anything that would instigate legal activity, but I do question why he has seized on this. Perhaps he will tell us what he thought of GT whilst he was a manager here.
posted on 13/9/17
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 41 minutes ago
The article doesn't imply that Taylor was involved in anything to do with paedophelia. At worst he didn't make waves, which was the norm for the time. If you actually read the article you'll see that the allegations are against another member of the club's personnel. Taylor's name is being used because (a) he's dead, and (b) he's famous.
You have to learn how to interpret such articles before flying off on one.
Agreed that Taylor may not have done things correctly, but we're looking at this with hindsight.
Maybe you didn't like Taylor when he was here as a manager.
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He turned a blind eye to what was gking on.
Nothing to do with what i thought of him as.
a manager.
posted on 13/9/17
comment by pertonwolf (U17284)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 41 minutes ago
The article doesn't imply that Taylor was involved in anything to do with paedophelia. At worst he didn't make waves, which was the norm for the time. If you actually read the article you'll see that the allegations are against another member of the club's personnel. Taylor's name is being used because (a) he's dead, and (b) he's famous.
You have to learn how to interpret such articles before flying off on one.
Agreed that Taylor may not have done things correctly, but we're looking at this with hindsight.
Maybe you didn't like Taylor when he was here as a manager.
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He turned a blind eye to what was gking on.
Nothing to do with what i thought of him as.
a manager.
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What did you think of him as a manager?
posted on 13/9/17
Whats that got to do with the article.
posted on 13/9/17
Dpnt you find this despicable.
The independent inquiry into football’s sexual-abuse scandal has heard claims that Graham Taylor, the former England manager, was involved in a cover-up at Aston Villa which led to other boys being exposed to a paedophile who was working for the club as a scout and later convicted of a string of offences over a 13-year period
posted on 13/9/17
I find it strange you are attacking me for pointing out something that is abhorrent, well it is to me.
posted on 13/9/17
comment by Corrine (U16263)
posted 56 minutes ago
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
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Hahahahaha.
posted on 13/9/17
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Corrine (U16263)
posted 13 minutes ago
Lawyers for the Taylor family have been informed.
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Perton hasn't done anything that would instigate legal activity, but I do question why he has seized on this. Perhaps he will tell us what he thought of GT whilst he was a manager here.
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The title is the problem. These are unproven allegations.
posted on 14/9/17
my own view is that in the circumstances this is not a suitable subject for our board
posted on 14/9/17
Struggled to read the article in full because its lunch time and I it was making me want to vomit, but it seems to me that what Taylor did was out of genuine concern for the player at the time. It was mid eighties, this would have been horrendous for the guy to have to deal with if it came out. Maybe GT could have done more, who knows, but the chances of keeping everything confidential back then would have been slim.
Everything I've heard and read about Taylor points to him having been a genuine and very well respected bloke who always had people best interests at heart, maybe he looked back with some regret on this chapter, but you can't bracket him with the filth that actually carried out the abuse.
posted on 14/9/17
No excuses. He should have spoken up and saved other boys from the sc um. Thats what pi55es me off about this.... he actually knew the boys were being abused and he could have stopped it.
posted on 14/9/17
if you had't noticed perton taylor is dead, so you wont be hurting him. who you will hurt is innocent family and relations one of whom is on this board.
posted on 14/9/17
i'm with wolfgang and one or two other commenters
IMO this is not a suitable thread for the board, and I don't think that it is right that people can say whatever they like about a man now that he is dead even though they only have limited details and as far as I know nothing has been corroborated or proven to be true.
don't get me wrong perton, if what has been alleged is true then GT has acted badly in my opinion. but we can't know what if anything was said over thirty years ago. I may have misunderstood the story as well, but it seems wrong that a complain is made about someone not coming forward at the appropriate time, but that complaint itself seems to have arisen after the target is dead and can't defend himself.
all things considered better to close this thread down because I can't see anything positive coming from people speculating about things they have limited knowledge of. we have enough of that on here with people commenting on football...
posted on 14/9/17
comment by Uli Fritz (U8869)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
if you had't noticed perton taylor is dead, so you wont be hurting him. who you will hurt is innocent family and relations one of whom is on this board.
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I know he's dead and obviously with that how could i hurt him. Im just amazed a man of his standing stood back and did nothing about a known paedophile abusing boys.
posted on 14/9/17
I think you've started a post to draw attention to yourself more than anything. Your continued comments perpetuating the thread, even though you've had advice to cool it, suggest you want to milk the story.
We don't know what happened. We do know that GT was an honourable guy. We can suspect that as this was in an era when paedophelia wasn't recognised, he may not have acted as we would have hoped today. If you're trying to make GT to look like a Jimmy Savile, then you're well wide of the mark.
posted on 15/9/17
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 13 hours, 24 minutes ago
I think you've started a post to draw attention to yourself more than anything. Your continued comments perpetuating the thread, even though you've had advice to cool it, suggest you want to milk the story.
We don't know what happened. We do know that GT was an honourable guy. We can suspect that as this was in an era when paedophelia wasn't recognised, he may not have acted as we would have hoped today. If you're trying to make GT to look like a Jimmy Savile, then you're well wide of the mark.
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To draw attention to myself..... what a absolute ridiculous statement.....
To be expected from you though.
posted on 15/9/17
As I've said before Bute using an era for an axcuse is abysmal, he should have stood up and said what was going on and nott let that sc um get away with it.
Oh and by the way no im not classing him in the same bracket as jimmy saville.
posted on 15/9/17
"Perton hasn't done anything that would instigate legal activity"
Not on this board but his activity with sheep and other farm animals may very well contravene the laws,not only of the land but those of common decency!
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