Mignolet still splits opinion.
There are some who thought he was brilliant yesterday.
I personally thought he should never have come for that cross that led to Leicesters first goal.
I also think that the penalty incident was his own fault. He got to the ball first but didn't get a good connection.
Credit of course for the penalty save but I do hope Liverpool get a new goalkeeper for next season.
If you come for the cross as a goalkeeper you need to catch or punch the ball. I saw de Gea yesterday and everytime there was a corner he came for the cross and got the ball.
The only problem in buying Oblak is the 87 million release clause in his contract.
We don't have a top class keeper at the club it's plain to see. We only have one top class CB. It's not difficult to see there are going to be problems in defence.
The frustrating thing about Mig is he saves shots he has no right to and then conspires to throw the ball in his own net.
Oblak wont be coming here but to be honest there are plenty of others who could come in and be an upgrade. Leno or Horn for example.
Watching Tah for leverkusen now and this guy is a beast of defender in 1v1 situations. it's a pity he plays as a rcb which is the same position as Matip.
I thought Mignolet had a good game yesterday. The two things people call mistakes weren't really that big mistakes. If he isn't fouled he gets to the ball easily for the first goal and we say good keeping. If the referee doesn't give a penalty against him for no reason then nothing much is said about that. He also saved the penalty and has an excellent record of doing that.
The only other thing I'd call a mistake is when he nearly let Vardy in when Vardy got a block on his kick. You do have to say however that Vardy is the best in the league at closing down keepers with his pace and aggression in equal measure.
I cringe every time the ball is even passed back to Simon. He's a serious liability and needs to be given away. No one in their right mind will buy him, he's terrible.
comment by Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 4 minutes ago
I cringe every time the ball is even passed back to Simon. He's a serious liability and needs to be given away. No one in their right mind will buy him, he's terrible.
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He may not be WC, but he's a million miles away from being terrible.
The disparity in quality between Liverpool's defensive and attacking players is probably the most striking in the division.
I still think you need at least two CBs - one as a partner for Matip, the other as cover/competition - a good keeper and another defensive midfield specialist to bea league contender.
Going forward there is little between you and others, you have a real good mix.
At the back, it would be touch and go between yours and WBA's
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
The disparity in quality between Liverpool's defensive and attacking players is probably the most striking in the division.
I still think you need at least two CBs - one as a partner for Matip, the other as cover/competition - a good keeper and another defensive midfield specialist to bea league contender.
Going forward there is little between you and others, you have a real good mix.
At the back, it would be touch and go between yours and WBA's
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Lovren could be the backup. Not many teams will have a better back up centre back than him in the league. I'd take a keeper if we could improve in Mignolet. We don't play with a defensive midfielder so that may be a waste unless Klopp was to adjust his tactics.
Mig panics and that lack of assured play and calmness effects the team dynamic. He's not terrible, but we can and should invest in a better keeper.
I understand why people still want an upgrade on Mignolet, but yesterday is a poor example to use. Made some good saves, saved the penalty and was fouled for the first goal. Only criticism you could have is him giving away the penalty in the first place but he got the ball.
That pen yesterday he got the ball and just that the pass before to cardy there was foul on Salah where he blatantly was tugged back. It was just a typical Anthony Taylor performance last night.
Changing keepers is not helping the situation. DDG, Lloris, Courtois play all the games. League cup fair enough but this keeper flipping has never been a good idea.
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 35 minutes ago
Changing keepers is not helping the situation. DDG, Lloris, Courtois play all the games. League cup fair enough but this keeper flipping has never been a good idea.
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dont think DDG played europa last season so was rotated for comps? beside migs been with us for 4 years now so its hardly an excuse hes not improved.
Can't believe he got a 5 year contract, hes on 60k a week and oblaks on 25k the sames as Karius .
yeah Oblak would want to leave Atletico and join a Europa league level team . He is well above your class. Should aim for Butland
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
comment by Duane Ofori-Acheampong (U21315)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
yeah Oblak would want to leave Atletico and join a Europa league level team. He is well above your class. Should aim for Butland
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Err I think you're confused. Arsenal Europa League, Liverpool Champions League. Would you like me to dumb it down for you a little more little buddy or have you grasped it?
Let me know.
comment by CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
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Yeah, Keita and VVD would solve that. However that's hopefully next season. For now we need to look at playing Can in the deepest position in my opinion.
comment by Duane Ofori-Acheampong (U21315)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
yeah Oblak would want to leave Atletico and join a Europa league level team. He is well above your class. Should aim for Butland
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A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
============================================================
Well, here is the strange thing.
During the commentary on Saturday, it was pointed out that LFC have the fewest shots on target against them in the Premiership. Which kind of suggests they’re doing something right.
I’m not really sure what to make of that, but both Carragher and Gerrard seem to think that the defence we have is well capable of defending, and go through periods when they defend very well, but go through other periods where they just lose concentration.
Aside from the thrashing at City, with 10 men, we also have a very good defensive record against the top-half teams.
Don’t really understand it, tbh, there is no explanation which makes consistent sense of LFC’s defensive record.
comment by Wessie Road (The Stalinist Scousification of s... (U10652)
posted 7 minutes ago
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
============================================================
Well, here is the strange thing.
During the commentary on Saturday, it was pointed out that LFC have the fewest shots on target against them in the Premiership. Which kind of suggests they’re doing something right.
I’m not really sure what to make of that, but both Carragher and Gerrard seem to think that the defence we have is well capable of defending, and go through periods when they defend very well, but go through other periods where they just lose concentration.
Aside from the thrashing at City, with 10 men, we also have a very good defensive record against the top-half teams.
Don’t really understand it, tbh, there is no explanation which makes consistent sense of LFC’s defensive record.
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I think those stats tell the story. We spend most of our time attacking, getting over 20 shots and 70% possession against most teams and therefore face few attempts on our own goal. However these attempts are ending in more goals as we push so high up the pitch, with our full backs forward generally leaving the two centre backs on their own against the counter. Add in offside goals and fouls on the keeper ending in goals against us, it's natural that we concede more goals despite not conceding many shots.
Does that mean the system is working? For me it does. How officials officiate is beyond our control so we can't do anything about that. Would a better defender improve the situation? Definitely, however it still won't stop us conceding goals as the chances we allow are easy chances due to the system. So we either except it and hope improving the odd individual will reduce the goals against or we change the system. I favour the former.
However these attempts are ending in more goals as we push so high up the pitch, with our full backs forward generally leaving the two centre backs on their own against the counter
======================================================
Your theory would explain the stats, but when I try to think of the goals we've conceded so far this season, I'm not sure I can think of any that were on the break, catching our full-backs up-field.
Most of them seem to be from set-pieces or crosses, when all of the defenders are back. Do I have a selective memory, here?...Maybe there's one or two I've forgotten, but I'm not sure I can recall any, on the break...
comment by Wessie Road (The Stalinist Scousification of s... (U10652)
posted 10 minutes ago
However these attempts are ending in more goals as we push so high up the pitch, with our full backs forward generally leaving the two centre backs on their own against the counter
======================================================
Your theory would explain the stats, but when I try to think of the goals we've conceded so far this season, I'm not sure I can think of any that were on the break, catching our full-backs up-field.
Most of them seem to be from set-pieces or crosses, when all of the defenders are back. Do I have a selective memory, here?...Maybe there's one or two I've forgotten, but I'm not sure I can recall any, on the break...
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I think there is a bit of selected memory here but not entirely. These freekicks and corners usually come from a counter.
City push a lot higher on the pitch than us and they concede a few less than we do. Their cb pairing is not better than we have. They have Fernandinho in front of their cb's who shields the defence. At Dortmund he had Bender and was watching him yesterday playing for Leverkusen and he was outstanding..
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posted on 24/9/17
Mignolet still splits opinion.
There are some who thought he was brilliant yesterday.
I personally thought he should never have come for that cross that led to Leicesters first goal.
I also think that the penalty incident was his own fault. He got to the ball first but didn't get a good connection.
Credit of course for the penalty save but I do hope Liverpool get a new goalkeeper for next season.
posted on 24/9/17
If you come for the cross as a goalkeeper you need to catch or punch the ball. I saw de Gea yesterday and everytime there was a corner he came for the cross and got the ball.
The only problem in buying Oblak is the 87 million release clause in his contract.
posted on 24/9/17
We don't have a top class keeper at the club it's plain to see. We only have one top class CB. It's not difficult to see there are going to be problems in defence.
The frustrating thing about Mig is he saves shots he has no right to and then conspires to throw the ball in his own net.
Oblak wont be coming here but to be honest there are plenty of others who could come in and be an upgrade. Leno or Horn for example.
posted on 24/9/17
Watching Tah for leverkusen now and this guy is a beast of defender in 1v1 situations. it's a pity he plays as a rcb which is the same position as Matip.
posted on 24/9/17
I thought Mignolet had a good game yesterday. The two things people call mistakes weren't really that big mistakes. If he isn't fouled he gets to the ball easily for the first goal and we say good keeping. If the referee doesn't give a penalty against him for no reason then nothing much is said about that. He also saved the penalty and has an excellent record of doing that.
The only other thing I'd call a mistake is when he nearly let Vardy in when Vardy got a block on his kick. You do have to say however that Vardy is the best in the league at closing down keepers with his pace and aggression in equal measure.
posted on 24/9/17
I cringe every time the ball is even passed back to Simon. He's a serious liability and needs to be given away. No one in their right mind will buy him, he's terrible.
posted on 24/9/17
comment by Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 4 minutes ago
I cringe every time the ball is even passed back to Simon. He's a serious liability and needs to be given away. No one in their right mind will buy him, he's terrible.
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He may not be WC, but he's a million miles away from being terrible.
posted on 24/9/17
The disparity in quality between Liverpool's defensive and attacking players is probably the most striking in the division.
I still think you need at least two CBs - one as a partner for Matip, the other as cover/competition - a good keeper and another defensive midfield specialist to bea league contender.
Going forward there is little between you and others, you have a real good mix.
At the back, it would be touch and go between yours and WBA's
posted on 24/9/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 6 minutes ago
The disparity in quality between Liverpool's defensive and attacking players is probably the most striking in the division.
I still think you need at least two CBs - one as a partner for Matip, the other as cover/competition - a good keeper and another defensive midfield specialist to bea league contender.
Going forward there is little between you and others, you have a real good mix.
At the back, it would be touch and go between yours and WBA's
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Lovren could be the backup. Not many teams will have a better back up centre back than him in the league. I'd take a keeper if we could improve in Mignolet. We don't play with a defensive midfielder so that may be a waste unless Klopp was to adjust his tactics.
posted on 24/9/17
Mig panics and that lack of assured play and calmness effects the team dynamic. He's not terrible, but we can and should invest in a better keeper.
posted on 24/9/17
I understand why people still want an upgrade on Mignolet, but yesterday is a poor example to use. Made some good saves, saved the penalty and was fouled for the first goal. Only criticism you could have is him giving away the penalty in the first place but he got the ball.
posted on 24/9/17
That pen yesterday he got the ball and just that the pass before to cardy there was foul on Salah where he blatantly was tugged back. It was just a typical Anthony Taylor performance last night.
posted on 24/9/17
Changing keepers is not helping the situation. DDG, Lloris, Courtois play all the games. League cup fair enough but this keeper flipping has never been a good idea.
posted on 24/9/17
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the Mané - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 35 minutes ago
Changing keepers is not helping the situation. DDG, Lloris, Courtois play all the games. League cup fair enough but this keeper flipping has never been a good idea.
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dont think DDG played europa last season so was rotated for comps? beside migs been with us for 4 years now so its hardly an excuse hes not improved.
Can't believe he got a 5 year contract, hes on 60k a week and oblaks on 25k the sames as Karius .
posted on 25/9/17
yeah Oblak would want to leave Atletico and join a Europa league level team . He is well above your class. Should aim for Butland
posted on 25/9/17
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
posted on 25/9/17
comment by Duane Ofori-Acheampong (U21315)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
yeah Oblak would want to leave Atletico and join a Europa league level team. He is well above your class. Should aim for Butland
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Err I think you're confused. Arsenal Europa League, Liverpool Champions League. Would you like me to dumb it down for you a little more little buddy or have you grasped it?
Let me know.
posted on 25/9/17
comment by CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
posted 4 minutes ago
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
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Yeah, Keita and VVD would solve that. However that's hopefully next season. For now we need to look at playing Can in the deepest position in my opinion.
posted on 25/9/17
comment by Duane Ofori-Acheampong (U21315)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
yeah Oblak would want to leave Atletico and join a Europa league level team. He is well above your class. Should aim for Butland
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posted on 25/9/17
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
============================================================
Well, here is the strange thing.
During the commentary on Saturday, it was pointed out that LFC have the fewest shots on target against them in the Premiership. Which kind of suggests they’re doing something right.
I’m not really sure what to make of that, but both Carragher and Gerrard seem to think that the defence we have is well capable of defending, and go through periods when they defend very well, but go through other periods where they just lose concentration.
Aside from the thrashing at City, with 10 men, we also have a very good defensive record against the top-half teams.
Don’t really understand it, tbh, there is no explanation which makes consistent sense of LFC’s defensive record.
posted on 25/9/17
comment by Wessie Road (The Stalinist Scousification of s... (U10652)
posted 7 minutes ago
A shift in tactics might help, but that may blunt your attack a little. So if there isn't a tactical change, you need the players in the middle and the back to be much better.
============================================================
Well, here is the strange thing.
During the commentary on Saturday, it was pointed out that LFC have the fewest shots on target against them in the Premiership. Which kind of suggests they’re doing something right.
I’m not really sure what to make of that, but both Carragher and Gerrard seem to think that the defence we have is well capable of defending, and go through periods when they defend very well, but go through other periods where they just lose concentration.
Aside from the thrashing at City, with 10 men, we also have a very good defensive record against the top-half teams.
Don’t really understand it, tbh, there is no explanation which makes consistent sense of LFC’s defensive record.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think those stats tell the story. We spend most of our time attacking, getting over 20 shots and 70% possession against most teams and therefore face few attempts on our own goal. However these attempts are ending in more goals as we push so high up the pitch, with our full backs forward generally leaving the two centre backs on their own against the counter. Add in offside goals and fouls on the keeper ending in goals against us, it's natural that we concede more goals despite not conceding many shots.
Does that mean the system is working? For me it does. How officials officiate is beyond our control so we can't do anything about that. Would a better defender improve the situation? Definitely, however it still won't stop us conceding goals as the chances we allow are easy chances due to the system. So we either except it and hope improving the odd individual will reduce the goals against or we change the system. I favour the former.
posted on 25/9/17
However these attempts are ending in more goals as we push so high up the pitch, with our full backs forward generally leaving the two centre backs on their own against the counter
======================================================
Your theory would explain the stats, but when I try to think of the goals we've conceded so far this season, I'm not sure I can think of any that were on the break, catching our full-backs up-field.
Most of them seem to be from set-pieces or crosses, when all of the defenders are back. Do I have a selective memory, here?...Maybe there's one or two I've forgotten, but I'm not sure I can recall any, on the break...
posted on 25/9/17
comment by Wessie Road (The Stalinist Scousification of s... (U10652)
posted 10 minutes ago
However these attempts are ending in more goals as we push so high up the pitch, with our full backs forward generally leaving the two centre backs on their own against the counter
======================================================
Your theory would explain the stats, but when I try to think of the goals we've conceded so far this season, I'm not sure I can think of any that were on the break, catching our full-backs up-field.
Most of them seem to be from set-pieces or crosses, when all of the defenders are back. Do I have a selective memory, here?...Maybe there's one or two I've forgotten, but I'm not sure I can recall any, on the break...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think there is a bit of selected memory here but not entirely. These freekicks and corners usually come from a counter.
posted on 25/9/17
City push a lot higher on the pitch than us and they concede a few less than we do. Their cb pairing is not better than we have. They have Fernandinho in front of their cb's who shields the defence. At Dortmund he had Bender and was watching him yesterday playing for Leverkusen and he was outstanding..
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