comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 10 minutes ago
When I get my apprentice next year, I'll get them on tea making duties ASAP
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Evening young TBAB
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Greetings whipper snapper.
Glued ma face to the road couple of weeks back, but it was a hilltop in the middle of nowhere, so I was stuck there wi ma erse in the air, and i can never look a bull in the eye again.
Howareya
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
They could always not produce those things?
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Life is so simple for you. You know what that makes you.
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I think you mean simplistic
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Don't tell me what I mean.
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OooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooh
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Handbags.
Am selling them now.
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Thorgen fuming.
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Norwegian inside left?
Hope you are well, TT.
And you were labelled Mr Angry, so now we have balance.♥️
Found a hedgehog eating grapes in our back garden today.
Mother nature is magical.
Hope we do not wreck the planet.
comment by Zachsda(played 6, lost 3, he is the GP) (U1850)
posted 5 days, 2 hours ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you guys eat turkey at Christmas anyway?
What happened to the great old English tradition of the Christmas Goose.
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I’ll be trying to goose my daughter in law
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A step too far.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers(U11882)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1454410126207721479
An interesting thread on some analysis of contributors to CO2 emissions after allowing for trade and offshoring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The “Yeah, but China…” argument is the War on Drugs all over again:
The US and other Western countries complaining about activities in developing and middle income nations, which are actually only carried out to meet demand generated by the very same countries in the West, all in accordance with the very principles of free trade and free market capitalism that the West has foisted on the rest of the world.
It’s the absolute height of hypocrisy.
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"If you ignore the fact that China makes loads of stuff and becomes a superpower off the back of it, China are acutally the good guys of global warming!".
They could always not produce those things? 2 Chinese Yuan have been deposited into your account for defending the honour of China and President Xi.
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Lol and no mention of the unprecedented number of people lifted out of extreme poverty or child mortality dropping by more than half.
EVIL FREE TRADE, WE ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS TO SAVE THE PLANET, QUICK LETS GLUE OUR FACES TO THE ROAD
Blinded by stupidity and wilful ignorance, some people are
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thread touches explicitly on the growth of middle income earners in China, and so the “exporting emissions” argument and the “but what about China” argument have become much more nuanced.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what they’re talking about and it is a lot more nuanced. Do we bow to face gluing people & stop importing from China and send them back into poverty and more than double child mortality? Or do we do a mix of both and maybe take some of the environmentalists rhetoric with a pinch of salt.
Personally I’m all for people getting out of extreme poverty and children living which are proven facts rather than theories about what may or may not happen and believe we can still have both via new tech as I don’t think the world will be irreparable and cause humans to die within a few years.
I cannot stand the argument about reliance on tech that hasn’t been invented yet. It’s like well, it’s what we do. Tesla 30 years ago was the stuff of dreams. 5 years ago you hardly saw electric cars around, new houses and flats are incredible now efficiency-wise.
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No one is saying that the technology is impossible.
What we say is that it's probably too late given the timeframe to invent something, and making the situation ever worse whilst we cross out fingers that it will magically appear means that the "technology" will have an even greater load to lift.
It's a situation of diminishing returns. You talk about raising child mortality (which no one has suggested) but that's exactly what you propose through inaction.
Increased death rates from pollution, raising seas levels reducing the land we have to live on, increased crop failures, starvation, deadly extreme weather events, billions displaced or dead.
Don't tug at people's heartstrings, whilst failing to acknowledge the cost of your inaction. I'd suggest child mortality in China would be the lesser of the two problems.
Hopefully this week government's can wise up and tackle the problem, solutions are out there, they require investment, and perhaps we should take a look at the vaccine procurement as a successful method to expedite technology. Up front investment, with a physical return.
Solar roll is a huge development if it's proven on a large scale (already proven on a small scale) perhaps the government should be looking at tech like this and procuring large amounts of the product ahead of time, giving greater resource to the company means they can scale up production quicker, buy bigger facilities for manufacture, and they could supply said product to the government at a rate of say 25% of production, with it being used on the top of government/council owned buildings nationwide. Especially council owned homes to help lift people out of fuel poverty, or increase the viability of the heat pump roll out.
The truth however is that this government doesn't care about long term issues, populism is impotent with regards to such necessary policy, it's far too focussed on fire fighting its lack of foresight.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Really not a good day for public transport today
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They are lucky the Salisbury derailment didn't happen yesterday, I was on that line, three fackin coaches serving two rugby matches and a football game..
I headed to a brewery in bath, and when I got on there was standing room only, with another 40+ people squeezing on at Westbury, trowbidge and BOA.
It was disgusting, everyone was crammed in tightly, squashed against one another, and it got really facking hot with no windows that could be opened.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 minutes ago
Found a hedgehog eating grapes in our back garden today.
Mother nature is magical.
Hope we do not wreck the planet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
r hedgehogs vegan?
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is freedom Confusion is next and next after that is the truth (U22472)
posted 11 minutes ago
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
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Louie the knows his food
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is freedom Confusion is next and next after that is the truth (U22472)
posted 22 minutes ago
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
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Beyond meat stuff is overpriced and overrated
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is fre... (U22472)
posted about an hour ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 minutes ago
Found a hedgehog eating grapes in our back garden today.
Mother nature is magical.
Hope we do not wreck the planet.
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r hedgehogs vegan?
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nope
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers(U11882)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1454410126207721479
An interesting thread on some analysis of contributors to CO2 emissions after allowing for trade and offshoring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The “Yeah, but China…” argument is the War on Drugs all over again:
The US and other Western countries complaining about activities in developing and middle income nations, which are actually only carried out to meet demand generated by the very same countries in the West, all in accordance with the very principles of free trade and free market capitalism that the West has foisted on the rest of the world.
It’s the absolute height of hypocrisy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you ignore the fact that China makes loads of stuff and becomes a superpower off the back of it, China are acutally the good guys of global warming!".
They could always not produce those things? 2 Chinese Yuan have been deposited into your account for defending the honour of China and President Xi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol and no mention of the unprecedented number of people lifted out of extreme poverty or child mortality dropping by more than half.
EVIL FREE TRADE, WE ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS TO SAVE THE PLANET, QUICK LETS GLUE OUR FACES TO THE ROAD
Blinded by stupidity and wilful ignorance, some people are
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thread touches explicitly on the growth of middle income earners in China, and so the “exporting emissions” argument and the “but what about China” argument have become much more nuanced.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what they’re talking about and it is a lot more nuanced. Do we bow to face gluing people & stop importing from China and send them back into poverty and more than double child mortality? Or do we do a mix of both and maybe take some of the environmentalists rhetoric with a pinch of salt.
Personally I’m all for people getting out of extreme poverty and children living which are proven facts rather than theories about what may or may not happen and believe we can still have both via new tech as I don’t think the world will be irreparable and cause humans to die within a few years.
I cannot stand the argument about reliance on tech that hasn’t been invented yet. It’s like well, it’s what we do. Tesla 30 years ago was the stuff of dreams. 5 years ago you hardly saw electric cars around, new houses and flats are incredible now efficiency-wise.
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No one is saying that the technology is impossible.
What we say is that it's probably too late given the timeframe to invent something, and making the situation ever worse whilst we cross out fingers that it will magically appear means that the "technology" will have an even greater load to lift.
It's a situation of diminishing returns. You talk about raising child mortality (which no one has suggested) but that's exactly what you propose through inaction.
Increased death rates from pollution, raising seas levels reducing the land we have to live on, increased crop failures, starvation, deadly extreme weather events, billions displaced or dead.
Don't tug at people's heartstrings, whilst failing to acknowledge the cost of your inaction. I'd suggest child mortality in China would be the lesser of the two problems.
Hopefully this week government's can wise up and tackle the problem, solutions are out there, they require investment, and perhaps we should take a look at the vaccine procurement as a successful method to expedite technology. Up front investment, with a physical return.
Solar roll is a huge development if it's proven on a large scale (already proven on a small scale) perhaps the government should be looking at tech like this and procuring large amounts of the product ahead of time, giving greater resource to the company means they can scale up production quicker, buy bigger facilities for manufacture, and they could supply said product to the government at a rate of say 25% of production, with it being used on the top of government/council owned buildings nationwide. Especially council owned homes to help lift people out of fuel poverty, or increase the viability of the heat pump roll out.
The truth however is that this government doesn't care about long term issues, populism is impotent with regards to such necessary policy, it's far too focussed on fire fighting its lack of foresight.
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It’s also possible to produce different kinds of products in a more sustainable manner and transition to economies that aren’t dependent on the hell-for-leather manufacture of throwaway goods and packaging.
We can choose to pay people to repair, recondition and recycle. We can choose to pay more for better quality, longer-wearing products. We can choose to spend on services, experiences, education and maintenance rather than disposable tat.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is freedom Confusion is next and next after that is the truth (U22472)
posted 22 minutes ago
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
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Beyond meat stuff is overpriced and overrated
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overpriced but is a very good (if niche) product
It’s comical that when people don’t like the message, the words they hear are the ones coming out of campaigners’ mouths rather than scientists’ mouths.
All campaigners are doing is repeating the messages of the strongest multidisciplinary academic consensus that human scientific endeavour has ever seen, including, people are bothered enough to listen, those actually working on green energy, carbon capture, agtech, decarbonisation, etc.
The people who are at the cutting edge of climate tech research are telling us *it isn’t going to come quick enough*.
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Not like Titliv to be angry about something.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 8 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers(U11882)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1454410126207721479
An interesting thread on some analysis of contributors to CO2 emissions after allowing for trade and offshoring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The “Yeah, but China…” argument is the War on Drugs all over again:
The US and other Western countries complaining about activities in developing and middle income nations, which are actually only carried out to meet demand generated by the very same countries in the West, all in accordance with the very principles of free trade and free market capitalism that the West has foisted on the rest of the world.
It’s the absolute height of hypocrisy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you ignore the fact that China makes loads of stuff and becomes a superpower off the back of it, China are acutally the good guys of global warming!".
They could always not produce those things? 2 Chinese Yuan have been deposited into your account for defending the honour of China and President Xi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol and no mention of the unprecedented number of people lifted out of extreme poverty or child mortality dropping by more than half.
EVIL FREE TRADE, WE ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS TO SAVE THE PLANET, QUICK LETS GLUE OUR FACES TO THE ROAD
Blinded by stupidity and wilful ignorance, some people are
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thread touches explicitly on the growth of middle income earners in China, and so the “exporting emissions” argument and the “but what about China” argument have become much more nuanced.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what they’re talking about and it is a lot more nuanced. Do we bow to face gluing people & stop importing from China and send them back into poverty and more than double child mortality? Or do we do a mix of both and maybe take some of the environmentalists rhetoric with a pinch of salt.
Personally I’m all for people getting out of extreme poverty and children living which are proven facts rather than theories about what may or may not happen and believe we can still have both via new tech as I don’t think the world will be irreparable and cause humans to die within a few years.
I cannot stand the argument about reliance on tech that hasn’t been invented yet. It’s like well, it’s what we do. Tesla 30 years ago was the stuff of dreams. 5 years ago you hardly saw electric cars around, new houses and flats are incredible now efficiency-wise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is saying that the technology is impossible.
What we say is that it's probably too late given the timeframe to invent something, and making the situation ever worse whilst we cross out fingers that it will magically appear means that the "technology" will have an even greater load to lift.
It's a situation of diminishing returns. You talk about raising child mortality (which no one has suggested) but that's exactly what you propose through inaction.
Increased death rates from pollution, raising seas levels reducing the land we have to live on, increased crop failures, starvation, deadly extreme weather events, billions displaced or dead.
Don't tug at people's heartstrings, whilst failing to acknowledge the cost of your inaction. I'd suggest child mortality in China would be the lesser of the two problems.
Hopefully this week government's can wise up and tackle the problem, solutions are out there, they require investment, and perhaps we should take a look at the vaccine procurement as a successful method to expedite technology. Up front investment, with a physical return.
Solar roll is a huge development if it's proven on a large scale (already proven on a small scale) perhaps the government should be looking at tech like this and procuring large amounts of the product ahead of time, giving greater resource to the company means they can scale up production quicker, buy bigger facilities for manufacture, and they could supply said product to the government at a rate of say 25% of production, with it being used on the top of government/council owned buildings nationwide. Especially council owned homes to help lift people out of fuel poverty, or increase the viability of the heat pump roll out.
The truth however is that this government doesn't care about long term issues, populism is impotent with regards to such necessary policy, it's far too focussed on fire fighting its lack of foresight.
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There’s a huge difference between our two positions on the matter. Yours is hypothetical, mine is based on historical fact that has already taken place.
It’s all very good saying western mass consumerism is killing the planet let’s stop it if you don’t think of the consequences which most of you conveniently miss out time and time again despite being aware of it.
Poverty & hunger vs clean planet
It’s not a fun choice but let’s not pretend that it’s just about having a clean planet.
If we don't have clean planet, then the whole world could be facing poverty and hunger.
I don't know why Sat Nav always has to tell anyone who disagrees with him that his argument is based on facts and theirs isn't. It's always his go to defence, when actually he is just cherry picking which facts he likes and the ones he doesn't become 'hypothetical'.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't know why Sat Nav always has to tell anyone who disagrees with him that his argument is based on facts and theirs isn't. It's always his go to defence, when actually he is just cherry picking which facts he likes and the ones he doesn't become 'hypothetical'.
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Hahahah Ok Tam.
Did well over a people billion not get lifted out of extreme poverty and child mortality reduce by more than half?
Also the predictions made about the environment are exactly that; predictions. They are not facts. The mass flooding, hunger and starvation predicted by environmentalists are not fact.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
If we don't have clean planet, then the whole world could be facing poverty and hunger.
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Is this one of the facts you speak of?
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
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Well if you’d like to explore the veracity of statements made in favour of strong environmental policy then present some facts, emojis don’t really achieve anything
Climate change was partly to blame for the Syrian civil war the desertification of farmland, that's nothing to do with western consumerism but it has had an impact on refugees fleeing that country and heading west.
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posted on 31/10/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 10 minutes ago
When I get my apprentice next year, I'll get them on tea making duties ASAP
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Evening young TBAB
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Greetings whipper snapper.
Glued ma face to the road couple of weeks back, but it was a hilltop in the middle of nowhere, so I was stuck there wi ma erse in the air, and i can never look a bull in the eye again.
Howareya
posted on 31/10/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I got 5 on it. (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
They could always not produce those things?
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Life is so simple for you. You know what that makes you.
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I think you mean simplistic
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Don't tell me what I mean.
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OooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooh
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Handbags.
Am selling them now.
posted on 31/10/21
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Thorgen fuming.
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Norwegian inside left?
Hope you are well, TT.
And you were labelled Mr Angry, so now we have balance.♥️
posted on 31/10/21
Found a hedgehog eating grapes in our back garden today.
Mother nature is magical.
Hope we do not wreck the planet.
posted on 31/10/21
comment by Zachsda(played 6, lost 3, he is the GP) (U1850)
posted 5 days, 2 hours ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you guys eat turkey at Christmas anyway?
What happened to the great old English tradition of the Christmas Goose.
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I’ll be trying to goose my daughter in law
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A step too far.
posted on 31/10/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers(U11882)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1454410126207721479
An interesting thread on some analysis of contributors to CO2 emissions after allowing for trade and offshoring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The “Yeah, but China…” argument is the War on Drugs all over again:
The US and other Western countries complaining about activities in developing and middle income nations, which are actually only carried out to meet demand generated by the very same countries in the West, all in accordance with the very principles of free trade and free market capitalism that the West has foisted on the rest of the world.
It’s the absolute height of hypocrisy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you ignore the fact that China makes loads of stuff and becomes a superpower off the back of it, China are acutally the good guys of global warming!".
They could always not produce those things? 2 Chinese Yuan have been deposited into your account for defending the honour of China and President Xi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol and no mention of the unprecedented number of people lifted out of extreme poverty or child mortality dropping by more than half.
EVIL FREE TRADE, WE ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS TO SAVE THE PLANET, QUICK LETS GLUE OUR FACES TO THE ROAD
Blinded by stupidity and wilful ignorance, some people are
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thread touches explicitly on the growth of middle income earners in China, and so the “exporting emissions” argument and the “but what about China” argument have become much more nuanced.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what they’re talking about and it is a lot more nuanced. Do we bow to face gluing people & stop importing from China and send them back into poverty and more than double child mortality? Or do we do a mix of both and maybe take some of the environmentalists rhetoric with a pinch of salt.
Personally I’m all for people getting out of extreme poverty and children living which are proven facts rather than theories about what may or may not happen and believe we can still have both via new tech as I don’t think the world will be irreparable and cause humans to die within a few years.
I cannot stand the argument about reliance on tech that hasn’t been invented yet. It’s like well, it’s what we do. Tesla 30 years ago was the stuff of dreams. 5 years ago you hardly saw electric cars around, new houses and flats are incredible now efficiency-wise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is saying that the technology is impossible.
What we say is that it's probably too late given the timeframe to invent something, and making the situation ever worse whilst we cross out fingers that it will magically appear means that the "technology" will have an even greater load to lift.
It's a situation of diminishing returns. You talk about raising child mortality (which no one has suggested) but that's exactly what you propose through inaction.
Increased death rates from pollution, raising seas levels reducing the land we have to live on, increased crop failures, starvation, deadly extreme weather events, billions displaced or dead.
Don't tug at people's heartstrings, whilst failing to acknowledge the cost of your inaction. I'd suggest child mortality in China would be the lesser of the two problems.
Hopefully this week government's can wise up and tackle the problem, solutions are out there, they require investment, and perhaps we should take a look at the vaccine procurement as a successful method to expedite technology. Up front investment, with a physical return.
Solar roll is a huge development if it's proven on a large scale (already proven on a small scale) perhaps the government should be looking at tech like this and procuring large amounts of the product ahead of time, giving greater resource to the company means they can scale up production quicker, buy bigger facilities for manufacture, and they could supply said product to the government at a rate of say 25% of production, with it being used on the top of government/council owned buildings nationwide. Especially council owned homes to help lift people out of fuel poverty, or increase the viability of the heat pump roll out.
The truth however is that this government doesn't care about long term issues, populism is impotent with regards to such necessary policy, it's far too focussed on fire fighting its lack of foresight.
posted on 31/10/21
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Really not a good day for public transport today
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are lucky the Salisbury derailment didn't happen yesterday, I was on that line, three fackin coaches serving two rugby matches and a football game..
I headed to a brewery in bath, and when I got on there was standing room only, with another 40+ people squeezing on at Westbury, trowbidge and BOA.
It was disgusting, everyone was crammed in tightly, squashed against one another, and it got really facking hot with no windows that could be opened.
posted on 31/10/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 minutes ago
Found a hedgehog eating grapes in our back garden today.
Mother nature is magical.
Hope we do not wreck the planet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
r hedgehogs vegan?
posted on 31/10/21
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
posted on 31/10/21
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is freedom Confusion is next and next after that is the truth (U22472)
posted 11 minutes ago
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Louie the knows his food
posted on 31/10/21
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is freedom Confusion is next and next after that is the truth (U22472)
posted 22 minutes ago
our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
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Beyond meat stuff is overpriced and overrated
posted on 31/10/21
comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is fre... (U22472)
posted about an hour ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 28 minutes ago
Found a hedgehog eating grapes in our back garden today.
Mother nature is magical.
Hope we do not wreck the planet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
r hedgehogs vegan?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
nope
posted on 31/10/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Titliv - Ben Shapiro fanboy, and what about those milkers(U11882)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1454410126207721479
An interesting thread on some analysis of contributors to CO2 emissions after allowing for trade and offshoring.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The “Yeah, but China…” argument is the War on Drugs all over again:
The US and other Western countries complaining about activities in developing and middle income nations, which are actually only carried out to meet demand generated by the very same countries in the West, all in accordance with the very principles of free trade and free market capitalism that the West has foisted on the rest of the world.
It’s the absolute height of hypocrisy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"If you ignore the fact that China makes loads of stuff and becomes a superpower off the back of it, China are acutally the good guys of global warming!".
They could always not produce those things? 2 Chinese Yuan have been deposited into your account for defending the honour of China and President Xi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol and no mention of the unprecedented number of people lifted out of extreme poverty or child mortality dropping by more than half.
EVIL FREE TRADE, WE ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS TO SAVE THE PLANET, QUICK LETS GLUE OUR FACES TO THE ROAD
Blinded by stupidity and wilful ignorance, some people are
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thread touches explicitly on the growth of middle income earners in China, and so the “exporting emissions” argument and the “but what about China” argument have become much more nuanced.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know what they’re talking about and it is a lot more nuanced. Do we bow to face gluing people & stop importing from China and send them back into poverty and more than double child mortality? Or do we do a mix of both and maybe take some of the environmentalists rhetoric with a pinch of salt.
Personally I’m all for people getting out of extreme poverty and children living which are proven facts rather than theories about what may or may not happen and believe we can still have both via new tech as I don’t think the world will be irreparable and cause humans to die within a few years.
I cannot stand the argument about reliance on tech that hasn’t been invented yet. It’s like well, it’s what we do. Tesla 30 years ago was the stuff of dreams. 5 years ago you hardly saw electric cars around, new houses and flats are incredible now efficiency-wise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one is saying that the technology is impossible.
What we say is that it's probably too late given the timeframe to invent something, and making the situation ever worse whilst we cross out fingers that it will magically appear means that the "technology" will have an even greater load to lift.
It's a situation of diminishing returns. You talk about raising child mortality (which no one has suggested) but that's exactly what you propose through inaction.
Increased death rates from pollution, raising seas levels reducing the land we have to live on, increased crop failures, starvation, deadly extreme weather events, billions displaced or dead.
Don't tug at people's heartstrings, whilst failing to acknowledge the cost of your inaction. I'd suggest child mortality in China would be the lesser of the two problems.
Hopefully this week government's can wise up and tackle the problem, solutions are out there, they require investment, and perhaps we should take a look at the vaccine procurement as a successful method to expedite technology. Up front investment, with a physical return.
Solar roll is a huge development if it's proven on a large scale (already proven on a small scale) perhaps the government should be looking at tech like this and procuring large amounts of the product ahead of time, giving greater resource to the company means they can scale up production quicker, buy bigger facilities for manufacture, and they could supply said product to the government at a rate of say 25% of production, with it being used on the top of government/council owned buildings nationwide. Especially council owned homes to help lift people out of fuel poverty, or increase the viability of the heat pump roll out.
The truth however is that this government doesn't care about long term issues, populism is impotent with regards to such necessary policy, it's far too focussed on fire fighting its lack of foresight.
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It’s also possible to produce different kinds of products in a more sustainable manner and transition to economies that aren’t dependent on the hell-for-leather manufacture of throwaway goods and packaging.
We can choose to pay people to repair, recondition and recycle. We can choose to pay more for better quality, longer-wearing products. We can choose to spend on services, experiences, education and maintenance rather than disposable tat.
posted on 31/10/21
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comment by 4zA - Chaos is the future And beyond it is freedom Confusion is next and next after that is the truth (U22472)
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our cat Louie enjoys beyond meat burgers n sausage
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Beyond meat stuff is overpriced and overrated
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overpriced but is a very good (if niche) product
posted on 31/10/21
It’s comical that when people don’t like the message, the words they hear are the ones coming out of campaigners’ mouths rather than scientists’ mouths.
All campaigners are doing is repeating the messages of the strongest multidisciplinary academic consensus that human scientific endeavour has ever seen, including, people are bothered enough to listen, those actually working on green energy, carbon capture, agtech, decarbonisation, etc.
The people who are at the cutting edge of climate tech research are telling us *it isn’t going to come quick enough*.
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posted on 31/10/21
Not like Titliv to be angry about something.
posted on 1/11/21
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https://mobile.twitter.com/_HannahRitchie/status/1454410126207721479
An interesting thread on some analysis of contributors to CO2 emissions after allowing for trade and offshoring.
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The “Yeah, but China…” argument is the War on Drugs all over again:
The US and other Western countries complaining about activities in developing and middle income nations, which are actually only carried out to meet demand generated by the very same countries in the West, all in accordance with the very principles of free trade and free market capitalism that the West has foisted on the rest of the world.
It’s the absolute height of hypocrisy.
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"If you ignore the fact that China makes loads of stuff and becomes a superpower off the back of it, China are acutally the good guys of global warming!".
They could always not produce those things? 2 Chinese Yuan have been deposited into your account for defending the honour of China and President Xi.
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Lol and no mention of the unprecedented number of people lifted out of extreme poverty or child mortality dropping by more than half.
EVIL FREE TRADE, WE ONLY HAVE 3 YEARS TO SAVE THE PLANET, QUICK LETS GLUE OUR FACES TO THE ROAD
Blinded by stupidity and wilful ignorance, some people are
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The thread touches explicitly on the growth of middle income earners in China, and so the “exporting emissions” argument and the “but what about China” argument have become much more nuanced.
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I know what they’re talking about and it is a lot more nuanced. Do we bow to face gluing people & stop importing from China and send them back into poverty and more than double child mortality? Or do we do a mix of both and maybe take some of the environmentalists rhetoric with a pinch of salt.
Personally I’m all for people getting out of extreme poverty and children living which are proven facts rather than theories about what may or may not happen and believe we can still have both via new tech as I don’t think the world will be irreparable and cause humans to die within a few years.
I cannot stand the argument about reliance on tech that hasn’t been invented yet. It’s like well, it’s what we do. Tesla 30 years ago was the stuff of dreams. 5 years ago you hardly saw electric cars around, new houses and flats are incredible now efficiency-wise.
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No one is saying that the technology is impossible.
What we say is that it's probably too late given the timeframe to invent something, and making the situation ever worse whilst we cross out fingers that it will magically appear means that the "technology" will have an even greater load to lift.
It's a situation of diminishing returns. You talk about raising child mortality (which no one has suggested) but that's exactly what you propose through inaction.
Increased death rates from pollution, raising seas levels reducing the land we have to live on, increased crop failures, starvation, deadly extreme weather events, billions displaced or dead.
Don't tug at people's heartstrings, whilst failing to acknowledge the cost of your inaction. I'd suggest child mortality in China would be the lesser of the two problems.
Hopefully this week government's can wise up and tackle the problem, solutions are out there, they require investment, and perhaps we should take a look at the vaccine procurement as a successful method to expedite technology. Up front investment, with a physical return.
Solar roll is a huge development if it's proven on a large scale (already proven on a small scale) perhaps the government should be looking at tech like this and procuring large amounts of the product ahead of time, giving greater resource to the company means they can scale up production quicker, buy bigger facilities for manufacture, and they could supply said product to the government at a rate of say 25% of production, with it being used on the top of government/council owned buildings nationwide. Especially council owned homes to help lift people out of fuel poverty, or increase the viability of the heat pump roll out.
The truth however is that this government doesn't care about long term issues, populism is impotent with regards to such necessary policy, it's far too focussed on fire fighting its lack of foresight.
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There’s a huge difference between our two positions on the matter. Yours is hypothetical, mine is based on historical fact that has already taken place.
It’s all very good saying western mass consumerism is killing the planet let’s stop it if you don’t think of the consequences which most of you conveniently miss out time and time again despite being aware of it.
Poverty & hunger vs clean planet
It’s not a fun choice but let’s not pretend that it’s just about having a clean planet.
posted on 1/11/21
If we don't have clean planet, then the whole world could be facing poverty and hunger.
posted on 1/11/21
I don't know why Sat Nav always has to tell anyone who disagrees with him that his argument is based on facts and theirs isn't. It's always his go to defence, when actually he is just cherry picking which facts he likes and the ones he doesn't become 'hypothetical'.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't know why Sat Nav always has to tell anyone who disagrees with him that his argument is based on facts and theirs isn't. It's always his go to defence, when actually he is just cherry picking which facts he likes and the ones he doesn't become 'hypothetical'.
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Hahahah Ok Tam.
Did well over a people billion not get lifted out of extreme poverty and child mortality reduce by more than half?
Also the predictions made about the environment are exactly that; predictions. They are not facts. The mass flooding, hunger and starvation predicted by environmentalists are not fact.
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 15 minutes ago
If we don't have clean planet, then the whole world could be facing poverty and hunger.
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Is this one of the facts you speak of?
posted on 1/11/21
posted on 1/11/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
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Well if you’d like to explore the veracity of statements made in favour of strong environmental policy then present some facts, emojis don’t really achieve anything
posted on 1/11/21
Climate change was partly to blame for the Syrian civil war the desertification of farmland, that's nothing to do with western consumerism but it has had an impact on refugees fleeing that country and heading west.
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